0 - 60 times???`

[Gecko69]

Hey just wondering if anybody knows what the 0-60 time is for the stock base rsx........i've done a few mods so i am a bit faster now.......but i was just curious............everyone seems to have a time for the type-s but no one seems to have one for the base......if anyone has any info i would appreciate it....thanks!!!!

[DavidT]

www.car-stats.com Check there for stock times. They take times from various magazines.

[James S]

around 6.7 to 7.2 I believe

That stat site is way off, and it doesn't even have the Base.

[URSXY]

If stock 1/4 mile is around 15.7-15.8, then 0-60 would be on the order of 7.5. No way is it in the 6's. Out of all the reviews of the RSX, I have never seen any publication that tested the performance of the base. However it should very similar to the new Civic Si.

[enjoy187]

I have measured my runs with a Gtech meter with a best time 0-60mph of 6.88 and a test average time of 7.15 at around 1am in the morning in 50 degree temperature. BONE STOCK!

[icue]

You should be in low 7's consistently stock, oh this
is on the manual of course.

[Wangtang6911]

wow, this car can hit 69 in under 7 seconds? I wonder what it is for the Type-S then?

[RSX-white]

Originally posted by enjoy187
I have measured my runs with a Gtech meter with a best time 0-60mph of 6.88 and a test average time of 7.15 at around 1am in the morning in 50 degree temperature. BONE STOCK!


i thought TypeS run low 7sec ...

[James S]

Type-S is about the same to 60mph.

From my personal experience the Base stock is faster to 60mph than the Type-S stock, thanks to the Base's dual runners providing great low to mid range torque. I've hit it off a few lights against Type-Ses in my town and beaten them to 60 without much of a problem. When they hit 3rd gear around 64mph then you're in instant trouble.

[RSXshift]

Originally posted by James S
Type-S is about the same to 60mph.

From my personal experience the Base stock is faster to 60mph than the Type-S stock, thanks to the Base's dual runners providing great low to mid range torque. I've hit it off a few lights against Type-Ses in my town and beaten them to 60 without much of a problem. When they hit 3rd gear around 64mph then you're in instant trouble.

I have to agree, in every race against a type-s I beat it to 60, by anywhere from bumpers to half a car, then they hit 3rd and race is over.

[ShoktongVtec]

ive raced a type s and up until 70 mph we were still even,by the time we got to 76-77 he was gone.

[aurilleous]

same here...I can stay with them until about 70 and then they just make me look bad

[RSXMSL]

base rsx manual = high 7 sec.
Tiburon V6 and Celica GTS is about 7.2 secs.

Unless the base Rsx has serious mod in it, IT CANT KEEP UP WITH TYPE-S UP TO 60. THATS BULL SHIT.
TYPE -S 0-60 TIME IS ABOUT MID 6 SEC.

[URSXY]

Originally posted by RSXMSL
base rsx manual = high 7 sec.
Tiburon V6 and Celica GTS is about 7.2 secs.

Unless the base Rsx has serious mod in it, IT CANT KEEP UP WITH TYPE-S UP TO 60. THATS BULL SHIT.
TYPE -S 0-60 TIME IS ABOUT MID 6 SEC.

I agree. If you guys are beating Type-S's, they are not being driven to their potential. If you look at stock 1/4 mile times for the Base, they are around 15.8; very similar to the new Civic Si. Testing of the Civic Si and other cars with similar times show that this translates to a 0-60 of about 7.4-7.7.

[360]

Originally posted by RSXMSL
Unless the base Rsx has serious mod in it, IT CANT KEEP UP WITH TYPE-S UP TO 60. THATS BULL SHIT.
TYPE -S 0-60 TIME IS ABOUT MID 6 SEC.

You're confusing two different issues here. Think about what you're saying. In order for a base to "keep up" with a type-s to a certain distance (i.e., 1/8 mile) is different from it needing the same amount of time to reach a certain speed (i.e., 70mph). This is also the reason why you can have two cars have the same 1/4 mile time with different trapspeeds.

Let's pretend a manual-tranny base and a Type-S are racing. In first gear, their gearing is identical. The difference is that the base is lighter (by ~70 lbs) and it has a fatter midrange (5-8 lb-ft more torque from 3k-5krpm). What does that mean? It means the base will beat the Type-S in the BASE's 1st gear (note: the base will have to shift to 2nd sooner because the Type-S has a 7800rpm redline). Essentially, all this means that the base's 0-30mph time is faster than the Type-S's.

In the base's 2nd gear, the advantage is much less. Although they have similar or identical 2nd gears, weight matters less after the launch and the base is in 2nd while the Type-S is still in 1st). The base is still in front of the Type-S at this point, but the Type-S will start to pull on the base halfway through 2nd gear (from my experience).

By the time the base hits 3rd, the Type-S will have pulled even. Note: even though they are bumper to bumper, the Type-S has a HIGHER speed, hence it is pulling on the base.

Now let's freeze time. Let's say the base is at 60mph while the Type-S is at 62mph. What does that mean? It means that the Type-S hit 60mph quicker than the base RSX (probably half-second quicker). It should be obvious though that the base has "kept up" with the Type-S in 1st and 2nd, YET the Type-S still has a faster 0-60mph time.

And in case you need empirical data to back up the theory, I've beaten 2 Type-S's in the manner described above. By the end of 2nd and into 3rd though, it was pretty ugly.

[RSXMSL]

QUOTE]Originally posted by James S
Type-S is about the same to 60mph.

From my personal experience the Base stock is faster to 60mph than the Type-S stock, thanks to the Base's dual runners providing great low to mid range torque. I've hit it off a few lights against Type-Ses in my town and beaten them to 60 without much of a problem. When they hit 3rd gear around 64mph then you're in instant trouble. [/QUOTE]

There is NO WAY base stock is faster 0-60mph than the Type-S stock. My point is that Type-S is faster than Base Rsx in 0-60, PERIOd. And type-S would not Lose to Base in 1st gear my much, and by the 2nd gear type-S would have pulled on Base.
I have Base Rsx and also Driven lots of Type-S too, and by fact Type-S is faster in 0-60, 1/4mile, and Top speed.~~

[Ultraman]

I beat a S upto 80mph, and kept side to side until 100mph, he pulls at 110mph. Twice. I had a slightly better start each time.:dontknow:

[RSXMSL]

Was your base stock?

[URSXY]

If the Base could keep up with the Type-S 0-60, we would be seeing 0-60 tests of the Civic Si (with basically the same engine as the base) in the high 6's. Surprisingly enough we don't.

Edmunds tested the Type-S in 6.7 and the Civic Si in 8.1 (although I have seen as low as mid 7's for the Si). Granted, one has to really thrash the Type-S to get those times; something the dudes you are racing against probably aren't doing.

I'd say this is better empirical data than "I've beaten 2 Type-S's in the manner described above"

[Ultraman]

Originally posted by RSXMSL
Was your base stock?

Nope, but I ran with stock tires and rims once. And did it twice with the KDs

Base aren't that slow if u have a good launch.

[360]

Originally posted by URSXY
If the Base could keep up with the Type-S 0-60, we would be seeing 0-60 tests of the Civic Si (with basically the same engine as the base) in the high 6's. Surprisingly enough we don't.

Edmunds tested the Type-S in 6.7 and the Civic Si in 8.1 (although I have seen as low as mid 7's for the Si). Granted, one has to really thrash the Type-S to get those times; something the dudes you are racing against probably aren't doing.

I'd say this is better empirical data than "I've beaten 2 Type-S's in the manner described above"

Read my post again and get back to me. You obviously missed my point.

[icue]

Ok Ok, the type S is faster, period
Here in SD we have a 1/8th mile track at Qualcomm
Stadium. I have raced Type S's, one with only a CAI and
he did beat me dont get me wrong.

But, I was ahead up to the time I was have way between second gear. So, yes...Type S's are faster. But, we aint that slow down low.

[360]

Originally posted by icue
Ok Ok, the type S is faster, period
Here in SD we have a 1/8th mile track at Qualcomm
Stadium. I have raced Type S's, one with only a CAI and
he did beat me dont get me wrong.

But, I was ahead up to the time I was have way between second gear. So, yes...Type S's are faster. But, we aint that slow down low.

Bingo. I think it's obvious in this thread the people who have actually raced a type-s and those who are basing it off the 0-60mph time.

The Type-S will hit 60mph quicker than a base, but that doesn't mean it will be in front of the base when it does.

[URSXY]

Originally posted by 360
Read my post again and get back to me. You obviously missed my point.

I understand the argument you are trying to make re: speed vs. distance, but I just don't see how the Base could possibly be ahead of the Type-S through second gear (i.e. 60 mph) and still be nearly a second slower to reach that speed. In order to do that, the Base would have to have a ridiculous advantage through first gear.

[360]

It can be hard to visualize. All I can say is to race one from a dig and see what happens. Just make sure it's a short race.

[Ultraman]

From a rolling start at 5mph to a stop start, I beat the same S twice. BTW, I had such a lead as two cars lenght from 0-30mph, then 1.5 car from 30-60mph, then a car from 60-70mph, then 1/2 car length at 80mph. But I can surely tell he starts pulling at 60-80mph.

And BTW, you guys really have to think this way. If a Base is faster than a S (ahead of it) at 60mph. It takes time for the S to cover that distance as it accelerates at "Mad Speed". Since the base did not just come to 0mph at 60mph, it also keeps accelerating. For a S to be ahead of the base after 60mph, it will probably be at 70mph to be head to head.

So its possible for the base to be head to head with a S at 80mph with a good launch stock.

And its more possible for a Modified base to be head to head at 90mph if the S driver had a normal launch and the base with a good launch

[URSXY]

Very interesting that all you here have seen these same results when lining your Base up with the Type-S. OK, maybe I'm wrong on the distance covered vs. time comparison (not the 0-60), although I doubt you'll get many Type-S owners agreeing with this.

Makes me feel better about buying the Canadian Base, which weighs only 2,640 lbs and is $24K vs. $31K for the S. 95% of my driving is <100km/hr around city roads.

[RSXMSL]

Originally posted by 360
You're confusing two different issues here. Think about what you're saying. In order for a base to "keep up" with a type-s to a certain distance (i.e., 1/8 mile) is different from it needing the same amount of time to reach a certain speed (i.e., 70mph). This is also the reason why you can have two cars have the same 1/4 mile time with different trapspeeds.

Let's pretend a manual-tranny base and a Type-S are racing. In first gear, their gearing is identical. The difference is that the base is lighter (by ~70 lbs) and it has a fatter midrange (5-8 lb-ft more torque from 3k-5krpm). What does that mean? It means the base will beat the Type-S in the BASE's 1st gear (note: the base will have to shift to 2nd sooner because the Type-S has a 7800rpm redline). Essentially, all this means that the base's 0-30mph time is faster than the Type-S's.

In the base's 2nd gear, the advantage is much less. Although they have similar or identical 2nd gears, weight matters less after the launch and the base is in 2nd while the Type-S is still in 1st). The base is still in front of the Type-S at this point, but the Type-S will start to pull on the base halfway through 2nd gear (from my experience).

By the time the base hits 3rd, the Type-S will have pulled even. Note: even though they are bumper to bumper, the Type-S has a HIGHER speed, hence it is pulling on the base.

Now let's freeze time. Let's say the base is at 60mph while the Type-S is at 62mph. What does that mean? It means that the Type-S hit 60mph quicker than the base RSX (probably half-second quicker). It should be obvious though that the base has "kept up" with the Type-S in 1st and 2nd, YET the Type-S still has a faster 0-60mph time.

And in case you need empirical data to back up the theory, I've beaten 2 Type-S's in the manner described above. By the end of 2nd and into 3rd though, it was pretty ugly.

WHAT??? you make it sound like BASE has So much TORQUE, HELLO?? Base torque is 141. ANd TYpe-S Torque is 142. According to your THEORY, it seems like Base has a Torque of WRX.....

[360]

Originally posted by RSXMSL
WHAT??? you make it sound like BASE has So much TORQUE, HELLO?? Base torque is 141. ANd TYpe-S Torque is 142. According to your THEORY, it seems like Base has a Torque of WRX.....

Nobody's saying the base has "So much TORQUE" or "a Torque of WRX". Please don't exaggerate my claims.

What I am saying is that because the base RSX has more midrange torque (shape of the torque curve matters more than peak numbers) and weighs ~80lbs less than the type-s (100lbs if you pull your spare/jack), you can pull a 1/2 car length, maybe 3/4 of a car length in the beginning, given equal drivers.

Yes, this is obviously a THEORY but it is a theory meant to explain real-world experience. Who knows.. maybe we've all run into bad Type-S drivers? That is a possibility.

But when real world experience shows one thing (empirical data) and the numbers back it up (theoretical data), I'm willing to bet the theory is correct.

[James S]

Why do the Base and Type S both trap identical mph in the 1/4? Where does that extra speed come from with the Base, if the Base has a higher trap time? It gets up to a mid-range speed faster, meaning the 1/8mile time is faster.

Peeps, y'all act so juvenile about this. Go look at some dynoes, the Base has a better low end, which is why I bought it. I like low end. You bought a high-end car that revs a thousand+ RPMS higher than mine. Brag about your length, I'll brag about my breadth. It's all the same in the end (i.e. trap time is both 95mph in the quarter).

[shrewd]

I've raced a fellow club member's TYPE S. I was modded (intake/exhaust) he was bone stock. First gear I had maybe 1/2 a car (if that) 2nd gear he pulled even and started to pass me. 3rd gear it was all over for me ;p. I've pulled a 6.7 with my gtech pro also.

TYPE S = faster.

[Eagle]

Originally posted by Ultraman
From a rolling start at 5mph to a stop start, I beat the same S twice. BTW, I had such a lead as two cars lenght from 0-30mph, then 1.5 car from 30-60mph, then a car from 60-70mph, then 1/2 car length at 80mph. But I can surely tell he starts pulling at 60-80mph.

And BTW, you guys really have to think this way. If a Base is faster than a S (ahead of it) at 60mph. It takes time for the S to cover that distance as it accelerates at "Mad Speed". Since the base did not just come to 0mph at 60mph, it also keeps accelerating. For a S to be ahead of the base after 60mph, it will probably be at 70mph to be head to head.

So its possible for the base to be head to head with a S at 80mph with a good launch stock.

And its more possible for a Modified base to be head to head at 90mph if the S driver had a normal launch and the base with a good launch

I dont mean to be mean nor do i know how old this thread is but i use to own a base and by the looks of your story it is total bull shit. There is no way in hell a base rsx can beat a type s unless the guy had no idea how to shift when racing... maybe he though he should just floor it in the gear he was in :dontknow: anyways from my experience when i had my base i would always tie with the s up untill second and then he would own me in second. This is the reason i traded my base.. The type s has more pull in first and second given a good driver. take note we do have a whole nother 1000 rpms then you do!

[frank51]

Originally posted by 360

Now let's freeze time. Let's say the base is at 60mph while the Type-S is at 62mph. What does that mean? It means that the Type-S hit 60mph quicker than the base RSX (probably half-second quicker). It should be obvious though that the base has "kept up" with the Type-S in 1st and 2nd, YET the Type-S still has a faster 0-60mph time.

And in case you need empirical data to back up the theory, I've beaten 2 Type-S's in the manner described above. By the end of 2nd and into 3rd though, it was pretty ugly.

The argument made by 360 is very intresting, at first when I read it, it didn't make much sense but then when I though about it a little bit it does make sense, it's just physics (d=vt).

[James S]

Yeah, what 360 said makes sense. The Base can go a farther distance faster but the Type S can get to a higher velocity more quickly. Which means the Base will be ahead of the Type S when the Type S hits 60, while the Base may not have reached 60mph yet.

That works... I'll swing with it.

[NeoBlue]

Base and type-s has equal amount of time.. so the only thing that changes the distance is the velocity. Hence faster to have higher velocity will move farther. Correct?

The real reason of base is pulling on 1st and 2nd gear is because the low and mid-range power. It accelerate faster than type-s on that range. After top-power time, bye bye.

[360]

Originally posted by NeoBlue

The real reason of base is pulling on 1st and 2nd gear is because the low and mid-range power. It accelerate faster than type-s on that range. After top-power time, bye bye.

Yup, that's correct.

[James S]

velocity=60 is the only hard thing we have. The Type S and Base don't have to have go the same distance at 60mph.

[tech9]

for all u ppl out there, rsx base manual 0-60 runs 7.7sec
rsx base-ss runs probably low-mid 8s

rsx base manual 1/4mile:15.7-15.9 seconds
rsx base-ss 1/4mile: probably mid-high 16s

www.modernracer.com is proof for the rsx base manual
but all the rsx base-ss times were my estimates

[Gecko69]

i ran 0-60 un just over 7 sec.....( like 7.3 something an average) and i did the quarter mile in 16.14....and I have the ss........these times were at a track.......so i dont know..........I know that mid to low eight second times is wrong.....just from personal experiance...........i can keep up and sometimes beat manual base models............i have sri and exhaust.............those two things probably shaved like .3 -.5 seconds of my time....so i dont know.......

[fastrsx10]

base rsx manual = high 7 sec.
Tiburon V6 and Celica GTS is about 7.2 secs.

Unless the base Rsx has serious mod in it, IT CANT KEEP UP WITH TYPE-S UP TO 60. THATS BULL SHIT.
TYPE -S 0-60 TIME IS ABOUT MID 6 SEC.

How do you like your Tanabe exhaust?? I am seriously considering it but I am not sure yet. How are its looks and the sound??

[NeoBlue]

7.3? wow. what are you using to calcuate your 0-60? RSM? or stop watch? :D

i ran 0-60 un just over 7 sec.....( like 7.3 something an average) and i did the quarter mile in 16.14....and I have the ss........these times were at a track.......so i dont know..........I know that mid to low eight second times is wrong.....just from personal experiance...........i can keep up and sometimes beat manual base models............i have sri and exhaust.............those two things probably shaved like .3 -.5 seconds of my time....so i dont know.......

[enjoy187]

i run consistant low 7s, fastest ive ran was a 6.88 measured by Gtech. on average ill run a 7.1 - 7.2 i have a bone stock RSX 5speed. and yes the type s will burn the shit out of me to 60 and all the way through the 1/4 mile. but you just wait, ill have a turbo in in the future:D with lower compression ratio base will have the advantage.

[llwrdlfstyl]

I'm sick of all of these comparisons. First off you can't compare a civic si and the manual base. manual base 15.7 stock. si 16.3 stock. The si is a better race for the auto rsx. And as to the type s and base model issue, well noway is a base gonna beat a type s in 0-60mph. Please explain to me how a car with 40 more horsepower 1 more lb of torque and another gear (6spd) is gonna lose to a base. haha. If you have beaten a type s in your base then the guy in the type s couldn't drive. BOTTOM LINE!
Go to the dealer and test drive the type s. I did. You'll stop all of this nonsense. go to www.car-videos.com
go to performance statistics. It has base 5spd statistics. Injens websight also has a base 5spd dyno test with there cai.

[LeaD_FooT]

The Type-S will hit 60mph quicker than a base, but that doesn't mean it will be in front of the base when it does.

:confused: how can that work? I'm pretty sure the faster car will finish first (just thinking logically).

[ShoktongVtec]

base rsx manual = high 7 sec.
Tiburon V6 and Celica GTS is about 7.2 secs.

Unless the base Rsx has serious mod in it, IT CANT KEEP UP WITH TYPE-S UP TO 60. THATS BULL SHIT.
TYPE -S 0-60 TIME IS ABOUT MID 6 SEC.
Dont care if you believe it or not,but i know i did,im not here to spat Bull crap,does not make me feel better saying crap when i know its BS,just makes me feel stupid,wheter that driver misshift or he slapped a Type S bade on his car,point is he lost. :drool: aiight?

[ShoktongVtec]

I'm sick of all of these comparisons. First off you can't compare a civic si and the manual base. manual base 15.7 stock. si 16.3 stock. The si is a better race for the auto rsx. And as to the type s and base model issue, well noway is a base gonna beat a type s in 0-60mph. Please explain to me how a car with 40 more horsepower 1 more lb of torque and another gear (6spd) is gonna lose to a base. haha. If you have beaten a type s in your base then the guy in the type s couldn't drive. BOTTOM LINE!
Go to the dealer and test drive the type s. I did. You'll stop all of this nonsense. go to www.car-videos.com
go to performance statistics. It has base 5spd statistics. Injens websight also has a base 5spd dyno test with there cai.3

40 more HP and 1 more lb of torque (Great find :laughing: on that torque ) does not necessarily mean it will kill a car w/ less 40hp and 1 lb of torque in a 60 mph dash. Considering the base kicks its vtec (performance or not :rolleyes: ) in a very early 2200 rpm,base is also lighter and its just common sense that a car w/ a early /power/torque surge, weighs lighter can keep up w/ a Type S, its just physics,maybe not exactly up to 60 mph,I drove a stock S and i know for a fact my car can keep up w/ a stock S up to maybe 60 mph CONSIDERING the guy driving it has at least equal driving skills as mine.

[typeRwithouttheR]

most of you guys are b.s.ing... the type-s 0-60 range from 6.8-7.2... the 02 si range from 7.4-7.8, and the base is a lot slower than the si because the si:
1. closer gear ratio
2. type-s intake manifold
3. better ecu allow for more performance...

i know this is a rsx site, but before you guy start the shit talking to me check the follow...

mags like: car and driver, road and track, and motor trend... they have stats between the two cars.... si is shown to be way quicker
and also look at the dyno graphs at hondata.com when both cars are stock... thanks for understanding but the base is not as fast as you think, type-s kills the base any time, any speed, any day, and all that... :thumbsup:

[typeRwithouttheR]

the 0-30 time for the type-s is 2.7 and for the base is 3.5, if you don't believe me, check the issue of sport compact car "june 2002".... it is very clear about which car is faster from to start to the end...

[tech9]

dang i dont know where some of you get some outrageous results...
this is the truth
civic si and rsx base manual are almost identical in performance

civic si 0-60mph: 7.9 sec
1/4: 15.8-15.9 sec

base manual 0-60mph: 7.7 sec
1/4: 15.7-15.9 sec

there is no way a stock base rsx runs 6.2 on 0-60 because the type-S runs 6.7-6.9
and there is no way stock base rsx runs 15.0 on 1/4 mile because the type-S runs 15.2

[enjoy187]

you guys are fucking stupid, quit looking at internet stats and go drive the damn car yourselves, more than half of you dont even own a type s or any rsx for that matter, ive Gtech a type-s 6.1 was my best time, my base manual rsx in 6.8, the type s is significantly faster but the base can run a low 7 to 60, next time drive the car yourself and quit lookign at internet stats.

[Rsx Wannabe]

you guys are fucking stupid, quit looking at internet stats and go drive the damn car yourselves, more than half of you dont even own a type s or any rsx for that matter, ive Gtech a type-s 6.1 was my best time, my base manual rsx in 6.8, the type s is significantly faster but the base can run a low 7 to 60, next time drive the car yourself and quit lookign at internet stats.

is gtech even accurate?(just curious, thinking about buying 1)

0-60 times depend on how u launch. its not just keep ur foot on the brake then when the light turns green push on the gas.

[enjoy187]

gtech is accurate under certain conditions. make sure before you launch that the reading is 0.00 Gs, this makes certain that the gtech meter is completely parallel to the surface prior to launch. youll get accurate readings this way.


the launch is a very important factor. i launch at 2800 RPM, thisi s how i achieved my 6.8 run and all my best runs. on a 5 test average i have achieved a 7.15 run average, not bad at all for the base. i have aftermarket tires, and my new ones have more surface grip than the stock ones.

[ShoktongVtec]

most of you guys are b.s.ing... the type-s 0-60 range from 6.8-7.2... the 02 si range from 7.4-7.8, and the base is a lot slower than the si because the si:
1. closer gear ratio
2. type-s intake manifold
3. better ecu allow for more performance...

i know this is a rsx site, but before you guy start the shit talking to me check the follow...

mags like: car and driver, road and track, and motor trend... they have stats between the two cars.... si is shown to be way quicker
and also look at the dyno graphs at hondata.com when both cars are stock... thanks for understanding but the base is not as fast as you think, type-s kills the base any time, any speed, any day, and all that... :thumbsup:

Totally disagree boy,not to mention Si is a bit heavier. :crying: ,Speaking of dynographs those are not 100% accurate,Import Tuner did a dyno on a Si base and its 130whp, Aem did one on the Base RSX and it hit 135,Fact is Si is a disappointment and looks like a F%$kin Toyota Echo w/ a body kit,yeah I said That..Burn me Si owners Burn me!!!!

[typeRwithouttheR]

think about it, how can a base hit 135 whp when si hit 130.... si got the type-s intake manifold, and a higher performance ecu... si also has a closer gear ratio... and are you talking about... rsx base? smoke me... what time do you run boy... import tuner comparing to mags like road and track, motor trend, cars and drivers.... import tuner got there stat from others... road and track,motor trend, cars and drivers have their own pro drivers... all perfer the si over the base... what are you guys thinking... you base drivers think that your car is fast as fuk when it is slow as hell... comparing to the si is a ok comparsion but to the the type-s and you think you do beat it... $3000 more for a slower car.... seriously man... don't call me boy... i will race any day and smoke you if you have a base, not the type-s...

[nurb2]

Damn, there's a lot of BS in this thread. Base is faster 0-60 than the Type-S? No way. I've never seen "official" times on base 0-60, but I'd bet my left nut it's at least a second slower.

Another base is side by side with a Type-S up to 100? Please. Either the worst driver ever in the S or it's just complete BS.

Equal drivers, the Civic Si is faster than the base, and I've put a lot of real estate on the 3 Si's I've raced, though I admit only one was when I was still stock.

I've never raced a base, but actually drove one as a dealer loaner car once, and while they do have a little more torque down low, I often found myself wishing it would "get going" when I mashed the accelerator. After 2 days of that my S felt quicker than ever.

I'm not hating on the base, but let's be realistic. It's cool base owners love their cars, but they are not in the same league as the Type-S, 0-60, 0-100 or otherwise.

-nurb2-

[typeRwithouttheR]

nurb 2... nice... exactly my point... the base can not compare with the type-s... you can compare it to the ep but it is still faster than the base for sure...

[nurb2]

the 0-30 time for the type-s is 2.7 and for the base is 3.5, if you don't believe me, check the issue of sport compact car "june 2002".... it is very clear about which car is faster from to start to the end...

What!?? How can that be? That means the base pulls back .8 of a second over the next 30 mph to be equal to the S in 0-60? LOL. No I was not being serious in this post.

-nurb2-

[Ultraman]

I believe the Base will go faster than the Si on the straight and through the turns. I also know that the Base will be IN FRONT of the Type S when it hits 60mph. However, the S do accelerates at a greater rate from that point on. Which is why the base can be head to head at 100mph and with the S IN FRONT of it at 105mph given the Base is NOT stock and with very sticky tires and the S is only running stock tires with wheel spins. Is not right to say that the base and S stay head to head from 0-100... They were head to head at a given point (100mph).

[Ultraman]

the 0-30 time for the type-s is 2.7 and for the base is 3.5, if you don't believe me, check the issue of sport compact car "june 2002".... it is very clear about which car is faster from to start to the end...

Have to thank nurb2 for bringing this up. If (typeRwithouttheR) really have the June 2002 SCC in front of you. Please refer to the page you were talk about. Please re-confirm your numbers and come back and scan me that page. And I'll scan you my June 2002 SCC. Surely from what you posted, those numbers don't fit. Thanks.

BTW, there was no base involved in the June 2002 RSX Supertest...
To refresh your memories, here is the Type S line-up : Greddy, Flex-a-lite, Progress, Acura, DC Sports, Toda, And Comptech.

[Ultraman]

What!?? How can that be? That means the base pulls back .8 of a second over the next 30 mph to be equal to the S in 0-60? LOL. No I was not being serious in this post.

-nurb2-

nurb2, Should have checked his reference before you started to have a LOL with him... LOL...

[Ultraman]

Who's BSing??? :dontknow:

[nurb2]

I'm more LOL'ing with him becase I've driven both and the base is not faster than the S in in any way, shape or form. Period. Like I said, I've never seen any official times on the base and I already said I was not serious in that post.

It's widely accepted that equal drivers and stock for stock, the Si is faster than the base, for the 3 reasons he listed above. I've raced Si's and at no point were they ahead of me. 0-1, 0-30, 0-60 or 0-100. If the Si is not going to be ahead of a stock Type-S, then neither is the base. EVEN IF the base is in fact faster than the Si, the gap is so slight that it still would not put it ahead of a Type-S.

Now with all your mods, yeah I can see your car being ahead of a stock Type-S, potentially, 0-60. There is no way you are side by side at 100 mph though. The Type S is is mad sick from about 60 to 110 and would smoke you. Even a bad driver is flooring the accelerator and shifting at redline.

-nurb2-

[enjoy187]

I am a 5speed base owner and YES THE TYPE S IS FASTER, but that is not the point ever seems to think the base is a high 7 car when in fact it is possibly of constant low 7 0-60 times and even capable of a high 6 second run to 60mph if launch is good and conditions are correct (ive ran a 6.8 and a 6.9 BONE STOCK)

And for some reason all you type s people seem to think it runs a 6.7, certainly it does with a pussy ass launch...ive run a BONE STOCK type S to 60mph in 6.1...the type S is certainly faster than the base, no doubt about it but you guys seem to deprive both vehicles of their actual potential, that or 90% of you guys dont even own an RSX or just simply suck at driving.

[Gecko69]

lets just end this retarded argument........ my freind iand i have raced at the track....he has a STOCK type-s.......i have a slightly modded ss.....SRI and Exhaust......he ran 0-60 in 6.28 i ran 7.05( my fastest time EVER!!!!!)......i had the jump of the line but he pulled and past me in the begining of second..........I mean come on.........the type-s was built to be faster....thats why it costs more....thats why it has 40 more horsepower.....the quarter miles we even night and day....he was 15.3something and i was 16.1.....he finished more than a car length ahead of me.............my ss can keep up with a manual base.....i have only ever beat one....we are usually dead even.....( the guy i raced had intake but not exhaust )......and i only beat him by like 5 feet....it was insanely close.........and fot the si.......i have raced one and we had pretty much tied.........it was bone STOCK though.....so come on....be realistic.........The TYPE-S IS FASTER and the SI is almost identical........the only difference is the 11lbs feet of tq. ( 141-130 ). Think about it.....with my mods i run like 7.3 on average 0-60.....thats waht they say the si is....and i can vouch for that............i would definately say that the base manual rsx should be very close with the si.............and my ss with mods is very close....BUT THE TYPE_S IS FASTER ANY DAY......too much pride guys!!!!..........I am a base owner.......I KNOW THE S IS FASTER......thats the way Acura made it.........

[ep3ctr]

the type-s stock does not run a 6.1, and even more surprisingly, the base does not run high 6 or even low 7... my friend has a base "bone stock and he let a scca aprove pro-driver to do two 1/4 runs with stock tire and stock everything, he ran a 7.66 and 7.74 both runs at about 87.6... in the other hand same, the same driver took two runs on the ep, he ran 7.34 and 7.45 both at about 88.5mph.... i am not b.s.ing the truth is how can the base at the same or even faster than the ep when the ep is 4-lug "better for lanch if you did not know already", closer gear ratio, better ecu, and the type-s intake manifold... which will give the base about 3-5 hp if the base gets the type-s intake manifold.... seriously!

[360]

I can't believe this thread has been resurrected. The truth is, the base RSX and the EP3 are pretty much even in the 1/4 mile, the base RSX will have more low-end torque and the Si will have a tiny bit more top-end. Actually, I've seen an EP3 and a base RSX go at it from a rolling start and the base RSX pulled slowly, but oh well... dyno charts show that the EP3's have more top-end than the base RSX's, so I'll just assume that race was a fluke.

As for the Type-S vs. base debate, I doubt anybody will argue that a stock base RSX is faster from 0-60mph than the Type-S. For all the people who assumed that was what was being said and screamed bloody hell, well go back and read over the thread... SLOWLY. You obviously missed the conclusion that was reached.

Lastly, for the type-S owner who test drove a loaner base RSX, I'm assuming it was an auto, right? If so, with all due respect, your experience is meaningless in this thread.

[Eagle]

I believe the Base will go faster than the Si on the straight and through the turns. I also know that the Base will be IN FRONT of the Type S when it hits 60mph. However, the S do accelerates at a greater rate from that point on. Which is why the base can be head to head at 100mph and with the S IN FRONT of it at 105mph given the Base is NOT stock and with very sticky tires and the S is only running stock tires with wheel spins. Is not right to say that the base and S stay head to head from 0-100... They were head to head at a given point (100mph).

Stop fooling yourself man. I use to own a base rsx and traded it for my s. The base is no where near as fast as the type s. You guys talk like the base is a torque monster we have 1 more ft lb of torque... WOW. our torque kicks in at a higher rpm so we can pull on you just when you think your pulling on us. Acura did NOT design the base to be faster in 0-60 considering all magazines usually depict are cars potential with the 0-60 times. (if you dont believe i use to own a base read my older threads where i use to race type s)

When i first raced a type s with my base he was totally stock and i had i/e/ headers. This type S murdered me. 0-60 and 60-100. it was no comparison.
guys i know how you feel about your base im not hating on you i just had an inferiority problem and had to trade my base.. i wanted the higher redline and more power and didnt like being the under dog. the base is a great car and the whole torque argument is really stupid considering if the base torque kicked in when ours did.. THE BASE WOULD NOT BE DRIVEABLE. the base was given low end torque to make up for no top end power. sorry guys but your argument is stupid. yes honda knows what they are doing they aren't going to make a more expensive car to be slower. if they did i would be :nervous:

[Ultraman]

Stop fooling yourself man. I use to own a base rsx and traded it for my s. The base is no where near as fast as the type s. You guys talk like the base is a torque monster we have 1 more ft lb of torque... WOW. our torque kicks in at a higher rpm so we can pull on you just when you think your pulling on us. Acura did NOT design the base to be faster in 0-60 considering all magazines usually depict are cars potential with the 0-60 times. (if you dont believe i use to own a base read my older threads where i use to race type s)

When i first raced a type s with my base he was totally stock and i had i/e/ headers. This type S murdered me. 0-60 and 60-100. it was no comparison.
guys i know how you feel about your base im not hating on you i just had an inferiority problem and had to trade my base.. i wanted the higher redline and more power and didnt like being the under dog. the base is a great car and the whole torque argument is really stupid considering if the base torque kicked in when ours did.. THE BASE WOULD NOT BE DRIVEABLE. the base was given low end torque to make up for no top end power. sorry guys but your argument is stupid. yes honda knows what they are doing they aren't going to make a more expensive car to be slower. if they did i would be :nervous:


Fact is Fact, I beat the Type S off the line and rolling twice. You can choose not to believe it. And Not saying that Given equal everything the S is slower. Just saying that I beat the S twice with my mods. Simple. Why get all annoyed when you hear a Base beats a S. Its very possible. Ever seen a Dodge ram 4x4 supercharged run against a Corvette. They were dead even after the 1/4 mile... So why can't a base beat a S? U could be driving a WRX and still lose to any cars if you are stupid. Its about Who is faster, not so much what the engine can do. Btw, A type S tried to out run me in the smoke one time, and he was wrong, I was following his ass to the feet. I think you guys who say the base is not going to beat a S should race a person that really knows how to shift. :wavey:

[Ultraman]

And how much time do you think a sticky tires vs stock tires will save u?? If you spin with your stock tires for just one second, I'm already ahead of the S. Since given your times of 6sec vs 7sec. The reason I'm ahead is because in that 1 Second while the S is stationary, I already moved at least one car length. Just think a little before all your S owners think its impossible and go out to bet $1000 with a Base owner that you'll pass them by the end of 0-60mph...

[AWD RSX Killer]

So Ultraman, are you saying stock for stock that the base is quicker to 60 than the S?

[Eagle]

And how much time do you think a sticky tires vs stock tires will save u?? If you spin with your stock tires for just one second, I'm already ahead of the S. Since given your times of 6sec vs 7sec. The reason I'm ahead is because in that 1 Second while the S is stationary, I already moved at least one car length. Just think a little before all your S owners think its impossible and go out to bet $1000 with a Base owner that you'll pass them by the end of 0-60mph...

what mods?? and what if the S has sticky tires.. man dont do stupid comparisons like comparing what your car can do modified against an unmodified car. if the type s has sticky tires you will be owned just that much more worse. yes i have beating base rsx on my stock tires its not hard. even if iam spinning once i got out of it they are gonna be caught and loose. forget it im not debating about something so obvious bottom line is this.. argue with yourself and the rest of the base people..

THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE:

STOCK FOR STOCK TYPE S OWNS THE BASE RSX
MOD FOR MOD TYPE S OWNS THE BASE RSX
(yes even if they both have a turbo.. check out the turbo forums before you begin flamming my friend)

[yeahi]

well if they both have turbo then yea of course...The base isnt made to be fast, the type-s is made for that, it still doesnt mean you cant make it fast but with your usual bolt on's i dont think its worth it. A turbo would be the best bet for the base imo, if not your always going to be behind the type-s's, esp. if you have an auto tranny. Unless your base is modded pretty well like Klutch's base, the type-s will take ya pretty good.

[Eagle]

well if they both have turbo then yea of course...The base isnt made to be fast, the type-s is made for that, it still doesnt mean you cant make it fast but with your usual bolt on's i dont think its worth it. A turbo would be the best bet for the base imo, if not your always going to be behind the type-s's, esp. if you have an auto tranny. Unless your base is modded pretty well like Klutch's base, the type-s will take ya pretty good.

thank you for bein noteworthy of just plain facts. for some reason ultraman believes he beats type S' from stops and rolls. sorry bout i gotta you a big :thumbsdow on beating one froma a roll because thats pure bull shit. you don't beat the car you beat the driver. he was prolly driving in 5th gear when you raced him to make it seem like a good race i dunno :dontknow:

[RoadRunner Type S]

:rotfl: This has got to be the lamest thread I have ever read. Base RSX beating a Type S to 60 or whatever. :rotfl: Ultraman, I'm not trying to flame you, but you took a shitty Type S driver, and before you tell us to race a base RSX driver who can shift maybe you should race a Type S owner who can shift. My buddy in his G2 DC2 with just i/h/e took a Type S from a dig to 70mph until the Type S had no choice but to pass him because of the xtra power, because the Type S driver sucked ass. But it's not even fun for me to race him. I've beaten a couple S2000s but because the drivers sucked, I don't now think that the RSX owns the S2000 cause I know one day I'll race a S2K owner who can drive and will win. And I hope a heavily modded base RSX would beat a Type S especially if it has a turbo. I would bet ANY base owner $1,000,000 dollars to race stock vs. stock from a roll, a dig, to 30mph, to 60mph, 200mph, and I'd be filthy rich. :thumbsup: :driving:

[Eagle]

:rotfl: This has got to be the lamest thread I have ever read. Base RSX beating a Type S to 60 or whatever. :rotfl: Ultraman, I'm not trying to flame you, but you took a shitty Type S driver, and before you tell us to race a base RSX driver who can shift maybe you should race a Type S owner who can shift. My buddy in his G2 DC2 with just i/h/e took a Type S from a dig to 70mph because the Type S driver sucked ass. But it's not even fun for me to race him. I've beaten a couple S2000s but because the drivers sucked, I don't now think that the RSX owns the S2000 cause I know one day I'll race a S2K owner who can drive and will win. And I hope a heavily modded base RSX would beat a Type S especially if it has a turbo. I would bet ANY base owner $1,000,000 dollars to race stock vs. stock from a roll, a dig, to 30mph, to 60mph, 200mph, and I'd be filthy rich. :thumbsup: :driving:

great response how bout a beer :beerchug:

[RoadRunner Type S]

:beerchug: :thumbsup:

[enjoy187]

hey ep3ctr it wasnt only me that ran a type S to 60 in 6.1 but also my friend as well as C&D look at thier article in their January 2002 issue they ran a Type-S to 60 in 6.1, JUST LIKE ME i dont care who the fuck drives a car weather its the worlds best driver of a regular it doesnt take 20 years of experience to run a straight line perfectly. And i can vouch for a 6.8 run on a stock base maybe ill get a video up sometime. REMEMBER IM NOT SAYING THE BASE IF FASTER THAN A TYPE S BECAUSE IT SIMPLY ISN'T STOCK! BUT IT IS CAPABLE OF LOW 7 RUNS!

anyways get out there and drive! :driving:

[ep3ctr]

enjoy 187, lets say that you can get a base going that fast, now try it with the si and record your.... i promise you, it would be way faster...

[enjoy187]

enjoy 187, lets say that you can get a base going that fast, now try it with the si and record your.... i promise you, it would be way faster...

woudlnt mind trying, i got a friend with an si hopefully he'll let me drive it, and i didnt say anything about the Si, dont be all defensive and gay like the rest of these people about their precious cars.

[Ultraman]

This is funny, all I needed to do was to state a fact and look at how sensitive the S owners got Namely Eagle and RoadRunner Type S. If you two are so confident that the S will Own a Base, then you will not even bother typing all these BS stating how a S will own a base. Since if that is a FACT, then need not state it, as everyone will realized that. Is like There's no need to tell anyone the world is round. But because you guys are uncertain, like you should be, since you do realize that it is VERY possible that a base will take on a S. And to do this, it really depends on the driver. Like you two have pointed out. Need I say more? You two have made the difference into a "driver race". Which also shows that you believe that the base will take on a S given a good driver is driving it. And by that, if the two cars are that different, or that the S will own a base VERY easily as it was put, then even a novice in a S will be able to beat a pro in base. But that's not the case. Which only shows they are similar. And its not which CAR is faster. Is the Driver+Car that I make the statement "I was in front a Type S from 0-60, head to head from 60-80, and he started to pass me." I think it is a very legit statement, but you guys just so ignorant and decide to make this into a joke of some kind.

And I did not tell you guys to bet money on racing a base. Sure you can race and bet. But I was asking you guys to think twice (And NOT be too confident in thinking you will definitely win - like how RoadRunner Type S puts it) before you bet $1000 that you will own a base from 0-60, because you will NOT always win... Sure you might win some, but you might lose some.

I'll leave it at this. Arguing like this is pointless... I'll take on as many S as I can until I get beaten to the bones, and I'll come back to tell you guys how I got beat... Laterz

[Eagle]

This is funny, all I needed to do was to state a fact and look at how sensitive the S owners got Namely Eagle and RoadRunner Type S. If you two are so confident that the S will Own a Base, then you will not even bother typing all these BS stating how a S will own a base. Since if that is a FACT, then need not state it, as everyone will realized that. Is like There's no need to tell anyone the world is round. But because you guys are uncertain, like you should be, since you do realize that it is VERY possible that a base will take on a S. And to do this, it really depends on the driver. Like you two have pointed out. Need I say more? You two have made the difference into a "driver race". Which also shows that you believe that the base will take on a S given a good driver is driving it. And by that, if the two cars are that different, or that the S will own a base VERY easily as it was put, then even a novice in a S will be able to beat a pro in base. But that's not the case. Which only shows they are similar. And its not which CAR is faster. Is the Driver+Car that I make the statement "I was in front a Type S from 0-60, head to head from 60-80, and he started to pass me." I think it is a very legit statement, but you guys just so ignorant and decide to make this into a joke of some kind.

And I did not tell you guys to bet money on racing a base. Sure you can race and bet. But I was asking you guys to think twice (And NOT be too confident in thinking you will definitely win - like how RoadRunner Type S puts it) before you bet $1000 that you will own a base from 0-60, because you will NOT always win... Sure you might win some, but you might lose some.

I'll leave it at this. Arguing like this is pointless... I'll take on as many S as I can until I get beaten to the bones, and I'll come back to tell you guys how I got beat... Laterz

lmao.. im done with you man i've come to the conclusion you have been :drink: btw i beat a ferrari. it was a drivers race because he was racing in 6th gear and just floored it. <---- sarcasim to show your stupidity.
according to you your base can beat anything because you beat the driver... great base now come race my type S. as a matter of fact i'll be in new jersey first weekend in march. as a matter of fact i'll give you a 3 second head start and guarantee you i will catch you and walk you by at least 3 bus lengths by the end of 3rd.. have fun in your base going to 6,900 rpms LMAO

[yeahi]

lol i have a feeling he can do it too, didnt catch the sig before..heh. I want to race a modded type-s after i get my turbo done, not a turbo'ed type-s of course, but maybe a toda type-s, how much power do u get with that anyway?

[Eagle]

lol i have a feeling he can do it too, didnt catch the sig before..heh. I want to race a modded type-s after i get my turbo done, not a turbo'ed type-s of course, but maybe a toda type-s, how much power do u get with that anyway?

approx 232whp.. i havent run it yet, the track opens in march so i'll prolly be running mid to high 13's. I have terrible tires. but so far i've beaten a srt4 from a roll. But without lsd or good tires i cannot beat them from a stop.

[Eagle]

lol i have a feeling he can do it too, didnt catch the sig before..heh. I want to race a modded type-s after i get my turbo done, not a turbo'ed type-s of course, but maybe a toda type-s, how much power do u get with that anyway?

that would be a good race :thumbsup:

[yeahi]

yea it would but seeing as your car is manual im pretty sure you would win that race, but im sure it would be a good one though.

[Eagle]

yea it would but seeing as your car is manual im pretty sure you would win that race, but im sure it would be a good one though.

your car looks sweet man.. thats one thing i've neglected. i haven't done any body work. still looks stock which is pretty cool but i need to get some looks going. what kit do you have??

[yeahi]

Thanks a lot man, thats what i was first going for, i've done all looks so far, a little stuff thats not in the picture like the jdm sidemarkers, ings eyelids, the body kit is ings. Then i decided wow all this show and not anything but some bolt on's on a base to back it up, must do something about it, and then bam cybernation.

[Eagle]

Thanks a lot man, thats what i was first going for, i've done all looks so far, a little stuff thats not in the picture like the jdm sidemarkers, ings eyelids, the body kit is ings. Then i decided wow all this show and not anything but some bolt on's on a base to back it up, must do something about it, and then bam cybernation.

doesnt matter man.. i'll be going fast and you will be pulling the girls.. which in the end is all that matters. i wanna kinda imitate your car, i honestly love the look.

[yeahi]

go for it, you live no where near me so its all good. Yea girls do love the car, that is true, lol

[llwrdlfstyl]

Hey just wondering if anybody knows what the 0-60 time is for the stock base rsx........i've done a few mods so i am a bit faster now.......but i was just curious............everyone seems to have a time for the type-s but no one seems to have one for the base......if anyone has any info i would appreciate it....thanks!!!!
hope this helps. http://www.car-videos.com/performance/view.asp?id1=68&id2=0
it seems to be pretty accurate.