Kumho ASX vs. Toyo Proxes 4

[HardWired71]

I have a choice between these two tires. Which one would you choose?

The kumho's are w rated with 420-aa-a $40 cheaper than toyos.
The Toyo's are v rated with 300-aa-a

Both got great reviews on tirerack.

How bout it?

[rsxdude]

Performancewise, I'd go with the Toyos. If it's for long lasting durability and decent performance, then i'd go with the Kumhos.

[NYR22]

how many miles do the toyos last?

[HardWired71]

Dunno. Only info they give is treadwear rating. I'd like long lasting performance wet and dry...but have no experiance with either of these tires.

[yaro]

Toyo Proxes have some problems from what I hear. Get the Kumhos - the price to performance on the tires simply cannot be beaten. And as for performance in an absolute sense, I would guess the Kumhos would take it.

[Golgo113]

are the kumhos all season?
whats the "problems" with the toyo4's

[HardWired71]

Both of the above tires are all season. The only thing swaying me is the higher treadwear on the kuhmos.

[yaro]

are the kumhos all season?
whats the "problems" with the toyo4's

Unusually fast wear, unusually shitty traction.

And yes, the Kumhos are all-season.

[HardWired71]

Im leaning toward the ASX mostly due to treadwear, i don't push it THAT hard, hell i don't even break the stocks loose most of the time, but anything has to be better.

[Hawk7389]

I was never happy with the kumho's I had. I had a horrible problem with irregular wear and I was not happy with the traction. How much are the kumho's you planned on buying?

[HardWired71]

Like 77 each. Which Kumhos did you have? I had the 712's a while back and was pretty happy with them.

[Hawk7389]

Oh ok. Well with all the stuff you aparently have done judging from your 1/4 time why would you go for the cheapest tires you can find. Spend the extra money and get something good. All the mods in the world and the best suspension setup can be worthless if you have crappy tires.

[It's Turtle]

I've been looking into the Kumho ASX's too because I'm too lazy switch my seventeens out for my stockies in the winter. :D I asked Dennis (IMOD) about them and he said he only knew one person that had them but that person loved them. The person said they obviously weren't as sticky as summer tires but were really good for all seasons. Hawk, I'm surprised you had such a bad experience with the Kumhos. I've generally heard only good things about them other than the treadlife for the Ecsta 712's is pretty short.:dontknow:
Hardwired what about Yokohama AVS dB S2?

EDIT: Forgot to mention, there was a write up in SCC magazine last month on the Prox 4's. SCC gave them pretty glowing reviews. Their only criticism was they heated up a little to quick during track conditions, but they said that even after they got hot, they were still very predictable.

[HardWired71]

The tires will be for daily, I wouldn't use them at the track, putting drag radials on the stocks.

As far as the Yokes go, my friend is doing a hook up for me and he advised against them, considering he works in a local tire shop I'm going to take his advice.

[bluej511]

Tom you can come try out my car ive had em since they came out actually. So my vote goes to the asxs i pulled a 2.20 60ft with just cai and mm so im sure more mods will do me better. In first gear in the rain u hardly break loose after u get traction and floor it off u go no wheel spin.

[HardWired71]

Tom you can come try out my car ive had em since they came out actually. So my vote goes to the asxs i pulled a 2.20 60ft with just cai and mm so im sure more mods will do me better. In first gear in the rain u hardly break loose after u get traction and floor it off u go no wheel spin.

Now THATS the info im looking for...sweet 60', great to hear about the rain!

[bluej511]

yea they def pull 2.2x constantly, its a beautiful thing. First day i got em i didnt believe how well they handled,cornered, and dry traction is fantastic, its pretty hard to get to smoke a good amount they just grip and go. I believe im the first one to get em on the rsx so ive had em for a while now. But if ur down in etown one day and im down there u can try the car out and tell me if u like it. But for 70$ u def def cant beat the performance.

[GoodKnight]

I had the Toyo's for a bit, and they were ok. I havent tried the kumhos though... I say go for the kumhos.

[HardWired71]

Well I went with the proxes, got them for a good price so couldn't pass it up. Besides, if the asx will give 2.2 60', wonder what the stickier proxes 4 will do. I will give a review later after I get a chance to um, break them in lol.

[Golgo113]

where did you get the proxes..online? if so pm me or post it

[HardWired71]

Actually got them from a local shop. Friend who worked there hooked me up.

[satinrsxs]

I was never happy with the kumho's I had. I had a horrible problem with irregular wear and I was not happy with the traction. How much are the kumho's you planned on buying?

Irregular wear could also be due to: overinflation, underinflation, camber angles, vehicle alignment, toe in/out. You sure it was the tire that did it? All by itself?

[shash]

Finally got my Proxes 4 installed on my stock rims after sitting a few months in my dining room. Here are my initial thoughts after a day of normal driving:

1. A lot more quiet than stock. (Compared to almost bald stock tires that are a harder compound: loud)
2. Around on/off ramps, they stick helluva lot more than stock. No annoying squealing (not yet since I haven't pushed them to their limits).
3. Sidewall flex is apparent. Similar to stock.
4. They look ok. Same size as stock, but looks rounder on the sidewalls. Tread pattern is more aggressive.
5. Still can chirp 2nd, but 3rd is non existant.

[AllMotorDC5]

Any Pics of the tires??

[puckster02]

Just put my new wheels (17" Kosei K1 Ts) with the Toyo Proxes 4 225/45 and they look and more importantly handle great!

[HardWired71]

Any Pics of the tires??

There are reviews floating with pics in them. Should be in the tire and wheel section.

[i-VTEC2]

I have the proxes in a 225/35ZR19 and for a 35 series they ride great. Does the kumho have AA Trac and A Temp? The proxes are great in the rain too.

[rocky85]

well, ive had the kuhmos asxs for a couple months and i love them, awesome ride quality, good tread wear, and hella better than stock around corners.

[HardWired71]

Had the proxes for a couple of months and I have to say they are kinda noisy. Low hummmm, nothing unbearable, but noticeable.

[Scott_Ohio]

I have the proxes 4 and like them. I know a lot of people who bought Kumho because of their price and said they would never buy them again. Everyone of them had nothing but problems with the tires.

[INTEGRA]

Which ones would do better for winter (snow)??

[Wildout White GSR]

You can't be serious. Neither is a snow tire. Buy snow tires for winter and summer tires for summer. Espcially with the winters we have here in Toronto.

[bmoniz]

How is the tread wear on both of these tires? About how many miles of conservative driving do think you an get on a set of Toyos? Kuhmos?

[jyk2544]

I would go with Kuhmos casue they are cheaper n they r not bad at all

[2SwiFt29]

i love my Toyo Proxes 4... they aren't as sticky as the Azenis i had, but since i was lookin for longer lasting tires, i'm glad i made the choice to go wit Proxes 4... good in the rain, good traction, sticky.. :thumbsup:

[alpinedb]

i love my Toyo Proxes 4... they aren't as sticky as the Azenis i had, but since i was lookin for longer lasting tires, i'm glad i made the choice to go wit Proxes 4... good in the rain, good traction, sticky.. :thumbsup:
:iamwiths: How often do you rotate your tires? I have almost 2k on mine. Love these tires!

[2SwiFt29]

you should rotate your tires every 3k miles...

[alpinedb]

you should rotate your tires every 3k miles...
k... The place where I bought em from said 6k, but I'll take your word.

[CINCYRSX]

Try buywheelstoday.com, they have good deals. Just call them, they can match just about anything. Tell them Chip sent you.

[2SwiFt29]

k... The place where I bought em from said 6k, but I'll take your word.

wow.. every 6k? that's too long... :dontknow:

[Camboris]

i have the kumhos. i am very impressed with the ride. dry traction is great. wet is also above average. for the price I dont think they can be beat.
its a night and day difference from the stock tires. When I first drove the car it felt like that was how it should have felt from the factory. the tires on the rsx are very poor.

[KevinG]

Ok, this comparison is like a chevy vs a cadillac.

Toyo hands down.

[j0sh]

i had kumhos on my old integra and i didnt like them at all. now i have proxes 4 and they are by far much better

[mojorizin]

I can't offer a comparison. I replaced stock tires with Khumo ASX less than 2k ago. Of course, a big difference in grip, noise and handling.

I chose the Khumo for daily use, better treadwear. I don't push them to extremes and have been very happy with them so far. I expect they will get a lot louder after 10k. I only drive about 10k a year and wanted tires that would last me at least 2 years.

I kept reading bad reviews of the Toyo's.

[dc5tunerx]

i have the asx all seasons on my teg, im pleased with them, not a very good pic but there they r

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/dc2tunerx/DSC01999.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/dc2tunerx/DSC02026.jpg

kumho ecsta asz (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Kumho&tireModel=ECSTA+ASX&vehicleSearch=true&partnum=955VR5EASX&fromCompare1=yes)

[Blackheva]

I had the Proxes 4's on my old Teg and was very happy with them. Granted I only had them for ~6000 miles, but at that point they showed very little wear. For a "high-performance" all season, their suprisingly sticky. I'm going to buy them again for my RSX. Haven't had experience with the Kuhmos, though.

[trex99]

WAIT A MIN!!!!!

he just said he's goign to use them for daily driving and his stock wheels have slicks!! WHOAAA!!! i think u answered ur own ? there bud...why spend all that money on toyo's when u arent even going to use them for the track? honestly, play it smart then and invest in the Kuhmo's, the tread wear is NOTHING PEOPLE. The manufacturer can put ANYTHING there its just a prediction. I mean look at the azenis sports a 200 treadwear but they are lasting over 30k miles...thats after auto crosses for a season and daily driving on ALOT of peoples cars...Dude save some dough and do urself a favor. even if its not the kuhmo u can get something that is a good perforamce tire, nice price and wont fall apart tomorrow. so if ur not going to hit up a road course, then just get ANY tire with a HARD sidewall, and u wull get the handling ur looking for. The V rated is good but i bet the sidewall isnt as hard as the W...sidewall is key and price since ur not using it to its potential..

[collinst]

Both of the above tires are all season. The only thing swaying me is the higher treadwear on the kuhmos.
Ok let me say this. The treadwear numbers 300 for toyo and 400 for kumho dont mean what you think they mean. The toyos could very well outlast the kumhos. All the number means is what the company that made the tire, thinks on how long it will last. There is no government testing. Its all what they think

[rsxer63]

Get the Toyos and rotate every 2500miles. You should get 50k+ out of them

[SPEED6]

I voted for the ASXs. I'll let you know after I get my set put on. :driving:

[RSXPLaYel2]

i just got kumho ASX's like 3 weeks ago....and it's pretty sticky, and luckily it rained last week here, and i got to drive them in the rain, and it drives very nicely

[03DSM-RSX]

i just bought asx's from discounttire direct from chris. he gave me a good price of 325 shipped. there was a local guy selling them for 290 with m&b but he sold out. so i went to a crsx supporter.

[03DSM-RSX]

oh yah, if u check the reviews on asx's on tirerack, u see alota good reviews.

[epluth]

I just had the asx's installed. Oh boy, definately not a cornering tire.

[K0rruptt]

hahaha
:rotfl:
it's always someone else's or something else's fault



Irregular wear could also be due to: overinflation, underinflation, camber angles, vehicle alignment, toe in/out. You sure it was the tire that did it? All by itself?

[CBRDC5]

I bought Toyo Proxes4 3-4 months ago and i love em. They should yeild you roughly 35-45k miles dependin on how good you take care of them.

The reason they dont give a mileage rating on V rated tires is because they are considered performance tires and they wont guarentee that they will last 40k because that tire will most likely end up on a performance car the driver will beat the piss out of them.

I work at a tire shop so theres some credentials i guess, in case ya dont believe me.

The Toyo Proxes4 is a GREAT tire Toyo spent 2 years developing it because the toyo Proxes FZ4 was a big disapointment (bad build quality, not so long tread life)

I know most of the people on this site (including me) are all about Doing what the manufacturer says when it comes to tire inflation or even filling your oil to exactly 4.8 quarts. If you are like that i would strongly recomend you get the V-Rated tires cause that is what came on the vehicle and the manufacturer knows best. If you get a W rated tire its not gonna work with the car as well as a V rated tire would do.

And i love it i spent 320$ on a brand new set of proxes 4, That price includes mounting and balancing. Haha

Enjoy my little rant

[lotexigeus]

do the proxes 4s fit the stock 16s?

[CBRDC5]

They come in all sizes...... Just get them in your size which should be 205/55/16 V rated

[lotexigeus]

cool, i was looking on discounttiredirect.com and couldn't find them. i guess they don't sell toyos.

[ALREADY_GONE]

i voted for the Kumhos cuz thats what i have and i love them

i had a friend who had the toyo proxes and they didnt last as long as they should have - treadwear wise

[PkTRkT]

This is outside of the poll candidates but if you want to spend the money on Proxes 4s, I suggest you spend it on ContiExtremeContacts instead.

Money very well spent.

Kumho ASX beats these two hands down on PRICE though.

[fasdude]

I was planning to go with the Kumhos because I read somewhere that they can be rotated from side to side which would help a lot in extending the life with evening out the wear. My current BF Goodrich KD are directional and can only be changed from front to back. It so happens that I had camber wear on the inside edge on both front and back tires and because of that they didn't last as long as they could have.

[BlackDC]

I'd go with the ASX because I use to have them on my turbo civic and I had them on for 2 years and still going strong, even with negative camber and of course running the turbo.:thumbsup:
oh yes I forgot to mention you can rotate them front to back no problem, I used to do that every oil change.

[DrPcmd]

I have asx's and they are definately a good all season tire w/ above average wet weather handling characteristics. Only downside to them is the single ply sidewall which really isnt a problem at all. I run them 1-2 psi over stock cold temp psi rating and they handle awesome. I also run a plus 1 sizing

205/55/16 225/50/16 difference
sidewall height 4.44 4.43 .-1
section width 8.07 8.86 .79
overall diameter 24.88 24.86 .-2
circumference 78.16 78.09 .-7
Revs per mile 836.01 836.69 .68

It helps compensate for the sidewall flex a little plus gives a larger contact patch. I went plus one because kuhmo's tend to end up having a slightly smaller width than most other manufacturer's regardless of the rated aspect ratio. I'm not going to recommend you run plus 1 because most manufacturers recommend you don't. I just wanted to experiment a little and most of the concerns are due to tire rollover which I cant say whether it is or not a problem since I have not pushed these at the track or autox.

I wouldn't say they are the best warm weather tire because the sidewall flex will become more apparent as the temperatures increase but if your not planning to track these tires you will be happy with ride quality, low noise, and excellent wet weather traction. I do alot of driving with a mix of highway and twisty mountain driving, I have to say these tires have more than met my expectations for a $70 tire.

[waltMA70]

I have asx's and they are definately a good all season tire w/ above average wet weather handling characteristics. Only downside to them is the single ply sidewall which really isnt a problem at all. I run them 1-2 psi over stock cold temp psi rating and they handle awesome. I also run a plus 1 sizing

205/55/16 225/50/16 difference
sidewall height 4.44 4.43 .-1
section width 8.07 8.86 .79
overall diameter 24.88 24.86 .-2
circumference 78.16 78.09 .-7
Revs per mile 836.01 836.69 .68

It helps compensate for the sidewall flex a little plus gives a larger contact patch. I went plus one because kuhmo's tend to end up having a slightly smaller width than most other manufacturer's regardless of the rated aspect ratio. I'm not going to recommend you run plus 1 because most manufacturers recommend you don't. I just wanted to experiment a little and most of the concerns are due to tire rollover which I cant say whether it is or not a problem since I have not pushed these at the track or autox.

I wouldn't say they are the best warm weather tire because the sidewall flex will become more apparent as the temperatures increase but if your not planning to track these tires you will be happy with ride quality, low noise, and excellent wet weather traction. I do alot of driving with a mix of highway and twisty mountain driving, I have to say these tires have more than met my expectations for a $70 tire.


Very good info.. I'm looking into a set of ASXs as well. I noticed that tirerack also offers them in 215 width, and I bet the 215's would be a nice middle grounds between contact surface and sidewall flex. Would you guys recommend going with the 215's on the stock 03 wheels?

I'm just trying to get a feel for sizing. I've picked the tire (ASX) now I need a size. What are the benefits / disadvantages of going bigger?

kthxby

[fasdude]

Very good info.. I'm looking into a set of ASXs as well. I noticed that tirerack also offers them in 215 width, and I bet the 215's would be a nice middle grounds between contact surface and sidewall flex. Would you guys recommend going with the 215's on the stock 03 wheels?

I'm just trying to get a feel for sizing. I've picked the tire (ASX) now I need a size. What are the benefits / disadvantages of going bigger?

kthxby

Just use the tire calculator on tire sites. First put in the factory tire size, then put in the tire size that you want to change too. I believe a difference of 3% or smaller is acceptable, so as not to throw off your instruments.

[DrPcmd]

Originally Posted by waltMA70
Very good info.. I'm looking into a set of ASXs as well. I noticed that tirerack also offers them in 215 width, and I bet the 215's would be a nice middle grounds between contact surface and sidewall flex. Would you guys recommend going with the 215's on the stock 03 wheels?

I'm just trying to get a feel for sizing. I've picked the tire (ASX) now I need a size. What are the benefits / disadvantages of going bigger?

kthxby
The 215 section width is only part of the total aspect ratio, I believe the size that you were looking at was a 215/55/16 which would end up giving a larger total diameter which would be outside the acceptable 3%. It would throw off your speedometer and they would look a little 4x4ish and really would not offer any benefit. The best bet is to use the stock tire size because it would be recommended by the installer anyway, like I said I was experimenting with a plus 1 sizing.

The only real benefit I would say for the 225/55/16 is the larger contact patch but it could also be more of a problem with regards to standing water on the roadway. The larger contact patch can cause you to hydroplane due the added surface area but these tires have two very deep water channels so up to this point I havent had a problem. The added contact patch is helpful for traction out of the turn and braking which I definately have noticed a big improvement over stock at least so far.

One downside to the 225/55/16 is the fact that the sidewall does bulge out a little but honestly I had some yokohama avid V4s and they bulged out almost as much with the oem tire size.

[waltMA70]

The 215 section width is only part of the total aspect ratio, I believe the size that you were looking at was a 215/55/16 which would end up giving a larger total diameter which would be outside the acceptable 3%. It would throw off your speedometer and they would look a little 4x4ish and really would not offer any benefit. The best bet is to use the stock tire size because it would be recommended by the installer anyway, like I said I was experimenting with a plus 1 sizing.

The only real benefit I would say for the 225/55/16 is the larger contact patch but it could also be more of a problem with regards to standing water on the roadway. The larger contact patch can cause you to hydroplane due the added surface area but these tires have two very deep water channels so up to this point I havent had a problem. The added contact patch is helpful for traction out of the turn and braking which I definately have noticed a big improvement over stock at least so far.

One downside to the 225/55/16 is the fact that the sidewall does bulge out a little but honestly I had some yokohama avid V4s and they bulged out almost as much with the oem tire size.

Sounds like its better to err on the side of the stock size, especially in my case. Besides, I want something thats relatively safe in poor weather conditions and increasing contact area also increases the force distribution, which wouldn't help in snow.

It's settled, Im going with 205's.

[cubandiaz]

Kumho > Proxis for the price

[cvillersxs]

I'd go with the Khumos, they're nice especially for the price.

[S1_Ikon]

if you wan the khumo go to sears and get them they are having an end of year sale. as in end of year when sears first started.. get them while you can..

[ck123]

toyo ftw!

[wicked_s]

asx

[IVTEC03]

Proxes 4, I will be installing the 225/50/16 that way I wont have the speedo being inaccurate.

[bluesi23]

people seem to like the toyo proxes..

[2000Prelude]

Kumho's are a much better tire for overall handling than the Toyo.

[HardWired71]

This thread will never die!!!

[lawrence'06]

toyo proxes 4! considering i have almost brand new ones sitting n my garage. 17s with msr silver rims. 400. came out from my previous car - cd6. just want it out of my garage.

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=371674 :D

[H82LOS3]

Come on no questions ask, toyo all the way :)

[rsxjaysun]

Performancewise, I'd go with the Toyos. If it's for long lasting durability and decent performance, then i'd go with the Kumhos.


I agree 100 percent. My toyo's stuck to the ground like glue, but hydroplaned in the rain like CRAZY and they only lasted 3 months. Now im rockin the asx's and the handle great on all surfaces in all weather conditions. Plus the font on asx looks like rsx so its kinda cool lol.

[gcobb]

I had the Toyos, they rode great and hooked up good too. But the rubber gets kind of stiff about halfway through the tire wear. I couldn't hook up after they wore down. I'll buy something better when my time comes again.

So how's this for reviving a 2 year old thread!

[Bronco Rider]

Had kumho's on a Vette I owned and they wore great and the traction was respectable.
Would get a set for my Type S

Bronco Rider

[eric_r_ho]

I had the Toyos, they rode great and hooked up good too. But the rubber gets kind of stiff about halfway through the tire wear. I couldn't hook up after they wore down. I'll buy something better when my time comes again.

So how's this for reviving a 2 year old thread!
I think all rubber does :( My Azenis RT215's got nearly rock hard and so did my Azenis RT615's after half tread but not as bad.

[hellspar3]

I have a question, which tires are quieter? I drive my car daily, and I was wondering what would be a better choice. They cost around the same, since Toyo's are only 110 on machiii with free shipping. Any opinions?

[gcobb]

The Toyo Proxy is a touring tire as far as I know. When I went with them over some cheapie Goodyears, the noise went away. They were great for daily driving.

[blacK20]

i am in the same contemplation as you
i can get the toyo proxes 4 for 420, and the ASX for approx 340-350
mounting and balance is free cause my homie is going , to hook it up
not sure about what to get

[bama_rsx]

i have the toyo's and they wear easy especially on rougher roads so im goin with some nittos next time around

[iluvSquirrel]

I just bought some ASX's and should be getting them put on my car next week. Hope there as good as you guys seem to think.

[elbee]

all-season=garbage. I think the OE Michelins prove that...

Pirellis or Yokes!

[tkdblaq]

what about the new toyo t1r's- they arent all seasons, but they seem to be the shit. ne oppinions on them?

[Jacek]

I'm also thinking about getting new tires,
the cheapest I found for Kumho was $67 and $78 for Toyo,
Have u found any cheaper then that and where?
Thanks

[peazs]

Those are some good prices already.
Where'd you find them at?

[Jacek]

Those are some good prices already.
Where'd you find them at?

Kumho ar Tirerack.com and toyo at edgeracing.com
I think I'm gonna get toyo

[Dubs03RSX]

I Have Those Kuhmo's And Im Scared To Do Over 30 In Heavy Rain!

[Dubs03RSX]

I Have Those Kuhmo's And Im Scared To Do Over 30 In Heavy Rain!

[exbauer]

I would go with the Kumhos. I just got them and they handle great. The real test will be in winter and see what kind of traction they have.

[theclutter]

proxes 4 :thumbsup:

[LickyMYwalker]

have you considered looking into other brands for all season? falken Ziex 512 or ST115 have great reviews and a LOT of people on this board run those tires. i know i love my 512 and they are great for the money and last a while.

[minig0d]

sorry if its digging up an old thread but I thought I'd throw in my 2cents... not on an RSX but I put a set of ASX's on my bmw 325XI (xi = the awd model)... let me tell you these by far are the WORST tires I've ever owned with the exception of that crappy house brand pep boys sells (futura or something like that)... The tire dealer had to order 4 replacement tires a month after I got them because the road force balance machine kept saying they were bad... after that the vibration problems with them went away temporarily... then came back... BMW dealership told me it was the tires... I didn't believe them until they put a new set of rims on my car (off a showroom car) and the vibration problems were gone (the showroom car has the bmw oem pilot sport 2's).... they also gauged my rims for bends and they were dead straight....

so anyway the direct problems were bad vibrations... tire life was about 30k miles and they are now in need of being replaced... grip was so/so... driver feedback is POOR... if you run these tires even at the stock size bump your tire pressure up 3-4lbs just so you can feel the damn road... I've never rolled on Toyo's but I sure as hell wouldnt put any ASX's on... (and I'm in New Orleans so we dont have snow so i cant judge that but we have plenty of rain and wet weather traction isnt super great either)... all season my ass you are better off with the stock Michelin's than ASX's...


and why the Toyo 4's... what about some of the other Toyo models?

[HardWired71]

I cannot believe this thread is still going after 2 years. Aren't there other better options for tires by now?

[The Tech-1]

Here's my review on the ASX's that I put on tire rack.


This is a great tire for straight ahead driving, however I would probably not purchase another set. This tire was obviously designed for great dry and wet-weather traction however you need good cornering stability to complement the traction capabilities of the tire - which this tire SEVERLY lacks. And what robs this particular tire model of good cornering stability is the soft, weak sidewall. This causes the car to lean excessively during high-speed handling, and also to annoyingly bob up and down on bumpy turns and curves. Why produce a tire with superior straight ahead traction prowess but with such a weak and flimsy sidewall?? I have also noticed that exceeding speeds of 80mph with this tire produces a shaking of the steering wheel. I have had them re-balanced multiple times at multiple shops, and they still produce the shaking at the steering wheel. I never had this problem with the stock Michelin Pilots. If you want a competent, nice-looking, quiet tire at a very reasonable price with good tread life, and do less-than-spirited driving most of the time, then I would recommend this tire. The stock The Michelin Pilot HX MXM4s out handled this tire on corners. On corners however this tire will let you know when youre reaching its limits, it will screech plenty. Definitly not recommended if you like taking hard corners!! Straight ahead stopping was better in the rain and on dry roads than the stock Michelin Pilot HX MXM4s. The ride on these tires felt MUCH cheaper than the stock Michelins. Buying this tire makes me feel Ive made a bad overall choice since I enjoy taking hard turns.

[Scud1373]

i got asx, they rule. nuff said

[43%burnt]

why does this thread keep getting bumped up yet there is no new post?

[Kristin420]

ive got kumhos and i dont really care for them.... i had directional tires on before those tho

[02RSX2nv]

KUM-HO. I got Hankook on mine, but I'd go with Kumho.

[rsxer63]

Unusually fast wear, unusually shitty traction.

And yes, the Kumhos are all-season.
interesting....
I have no tire wear problems with the Proxies 4 and they are excellent gripping tires.

[rsxer63]

why does this thread keep getting bumped up yet there is no new post?
poll bumps it up on every vote

[Tyrannosau-RSX]

Here's my review on the ASX's that I put on tire rack.


This is a great tire for straight ahead driving, however I would probably not purchase another set. This tire was obviously designed for great dry and wet-weather traction however you need good cornering stability to complement the traction capabilities of the tire - which this tire SEVERLY lacks. And what robs this particular tire model of good cornering stability is the soft, weak sidewall. This causes the car to lean excessively during high-speed handling, and also to annoyingly bob up and down on bumpy turns and curves. Why produce a tire with superior straight ahead traction prowess but with such a weak and flimsy sidewall?? I have also noticed that exceeding speeds of 80mph with this tire produces a shaking of the steering wheel. I have had them re-balanced multiple times at multiple shops, and they still produce the shaking at the steering wheel. I never had this problem with the stock Michelin Pilots. If you want a competent, nice-looking, quiet tire at a very reasonable price with good tread life, and do less-than-spirited driving most of the time, then I would recommend this tire. The stock The Michelin Pilot HX MXM4s out handled this tire on corners. On corners however this tire will let you know when youre reaching its limits, it will screech plenty. Definitly not recommended if you like taking hard corners!! Straight ahead stopping was better in the rain and on dry roads than the stock Michelin Pilot HX MXM4s. The ride on these tires felt MUCH cheaper than the stock Michelins. Buying this tire makes me feel Ive made a bad overall choice since I enjoy taking hard turns.


wow you really dislike these tires. do you really think they are worse than the stock michelin tires?

i dunno i recently got some ASX's and, though they dont feel the best, they seem way better than my old stocks. I can accelerat through 270 degree freeway onramps much faster than with my old tires.

[10minutes]

Just purchased a set of Kumho ASX's. We will see how it goes, but I have heard a lot of positive reviews about it. It definitely should be better than the shitty stockies. I couldn't believe how our stock tires were so freaking expensive..

[pine341]

I worked at a tire shop that sold kumho and toyo if you can afford toyo I would rather go with thoses way better as far as thread life and performance better invest in the best. I had proxes for on my old cl 3.0 they last me 30-35 thousand miles with rotations and perfect alignment.

[Crackrag]

i bought ASX's about a october of 2005 and now i need 4 new tires...it's my daily driver and prolly put on 20-25k miles+. anyways i beat them up pretty well, fast cornering mostly. great tires...even in the snow.

[Crackrag]

and i bought them for 108 bucks a piece on tirerack...like 30 bucks shipping and i got them in a couple days.

[Gotboost98]

talk about old thread. But I have heard good things about the Nitto Neogens which is an all season. As well as the P Zero Nero M+S.

[blacK20]

talk about old thread. But I have heard good things about the Nitto Neogens which is an all season. As well as the P Zero Nero M+S.

p zero nero m+s is pretty good but $$ tire
had them as my 1st set of aftermarket tires

ok, heres my review for the kuhmo ASX (235/45/17)
as far as gripping on dry road, its good (although my azenis gripped better at 205/55/16)
if your coming from stockies, this will be a HUGE difference
if your car is used to get from point A to point B, these tires are sufficient
cornering seems decent, not that bad either but the azenis seems better
what i noticed from switching over from my azenis ST115 is that the kuhmo seems more responsive
it may be due ot the wider sized tires but they just seem to react faster than my azenis
comfort is decent, seems a tad bit on the noisy side
i think these tires are worth a shot at buying
if your looking for a cheaper alternative, i definitely would consider these tires

[Evank20a]

khumo asx tires are great they last really long and they are great in the rain. my father has the toyos and complains that handling during high speed turns is not up to par with the khumos. he drives a accord v6 coupe

[exx07a0b]

tell you the truth, I just got my toyo's proxy 4's and they are kind of noisey. You guys with proxy 4's know what i mean. I don't like the noise but hey kumho's are cool. The toyo's look more aggressive.

[jdmpwr07]

my rims with tires are coming in today. i ordered 225/45/17 kumho asx's. ive heard good reviews some im waiting to see today :D

[SicK TypeS]

i'm happy with my kumhos, great bang for buck. i might try something different next time around

[HardWired71]

3 years later!?!? FANTASTIC!!!

[RsxVengeance]

i'm happy with my kumhos, great bang for buck. i might try something different next time around

where did you dig this out from?

[02BoostedRSX]

Toyos are generally better.

[miles87]

toyo

[choice1226]

I have ASXs right now. Never had Toyos before. ASXs aren't the best tires out there but for everyday driven car I find them pretty decent. OK performance and no noise

[ChunkyLover]

Yeah ASX's here, good tire for the money imo.

[Soundwave]

I'm also thinking about getting new tires,
the cheapest I found for Kumho was $67 and $78 for Toyo,
Have u found any cheaper then that and where?
Thanks

damn, did prices go up that much already? cheapest kumhos I've seen was around $80 and all Proxes 4 were over the $100 mark

[rsxguy520]

Kumho. got a set, and i don't regret buying them either.

[ODUB]

Falken RT-615 or Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3...do it lol

[Psssshtgsx98]

im goin to purchase the proxes 4 next week. not that is necessary, but i will give a review here shorty after.

[qttire1]

kuhmo's all day long, great tire. but try to support you local tire shop instead of tire rack, i know they are cheaper some times, but the local guys can just stand around and wait for people to bring in their tires they bought off the internet to install

[Axix23]

i love my khumo asx

[Axix23]

proxes suck on wear and road noise

[stincejms]

Proxes 4..

Good all around tire.

[CPU]

love my proxes 4 (comin' from 05-06 base tires, 205/55/16 michelins)

[aftershock141]

I like my Ziex ze-512's so much better than my ASX's. I would suggest picking some up.

[peazs]

didn't like my proxes 4 that much as they wore out too fast. not that great in snow as well. next time, i'm going dedicated snow tires and summer tires :(

[CPU]

didn't like my proxes 4 that much as they wore out too fast. not that great in snow as well. next time, i'm going dedicated snow tires and summer tires :(

Something I may add to my testament,

1) I'm in socal. It's always dry here.
2) I drove only 5000 miles last year. Wear isn't really an issue for me.

[PureWaterBoy]

I wasn't too impressed with the Proxes4 either based on handling and wear. Handling/ steering response was just OK. Wear was not great either but what do you expect from a performance tire. Grip was pretty good on dry and decent in wet. Snow was borderline OK.

I used the Michelin Pilot A/S prior to the Proxes4 and I liked the Michelin's overall, but they were quite a bit more expensive at the time too. Dry and wet grip was great. Snow grip was decent. Handling and steering response was smooth and responsive.

I've got a set of Goodyear F1 All Seasons waiting to go on. Anxious to put these on.

[Scud1373]

sold my ASX's for a set of falken FK452's .... :D

[ckkoba]

yeah my overall impression with the ASX 225/45 17" is that the tire isn't that great. Maybe if you were going from the stockies to the ASXs, you get a good upgrade, but I came from the GForce Sports. So I was a bit disappointed that the Kumhos although a decent tire, isn't a Great tire.
What you do get with the Kumho's is slightly more tread life and decent wet/snow performance.

But not a tire for all out performance. I'm thinking GForce KDW2's for my next set.

[shattered_memory]

yeah my overall impression with the ASX 225/45 17" is that the tire isn't that great. Maybe if you were going from the stockies to the ASXs, you get a good upgrade, but I came from the GForce Sports. So I was a bit disappointed that the Kumhos although a decent tire, isn't a Great tire.
What you do get with the Kumho's is slightly more tread life and decent wet/snow performance.

But not a tire for all out performance. I'm thinking GForce KDW2's for my next set.

Im coming from kumho spt's to kumho asx's. I havent installed the asx's yet. do u think I will be dissapointed with the asx's?

[shattered_memory]

so i tried out a set of kumho asx's today, and they are decent. As a daily driver they are a very good tire. they are quiet and provide very very soft sidewalls. the tire is absolutely awful at cornering traction, and this is due to the soft sidewalls. the tires squeal on hard turns. stability is greatly reduced compared to my kumho spt's. turn in on a corner is slow and sluggish. I honestly regret getting this tire

[ckkoba]

Hey Shattered, so how were the SPTs in terms of mileage and performance?

[shattered_memory]

Hey Shattered, so how were the SPTs in terms of mileage and performance?

if you rotate your tires regularly they will last for a pretty long time. I had my spt's for 2 years and they still performed well when they were all the way down to the belts lol. overall I love the tire. it was great cornering ability, but if you pair up the tires with stiffer springs or coilovers, they will be harsh on the streets. but it all depends on your preference and what tires you used to drive on, to compare and explain tires in general.

[fligstar]

toyo toyo toyo

[Notorious BG]

Not a big fan of the toyo proxes. I'll go with the kuhmo

[pwrofdrm]

I've had experience with both, honestly I like the Kuhmo better. It gripped better and lasted longer on the same car under the same driving conditions.

[HammerT]

I got the proxes 4 its a real nice all season tire. We'll see how they hold up in the summer. I like them so far. Probably couldn't go wrong with either.

Had the Falken rt-615's, awesome tire but simply put I would not buy again for a daily driven car

[t.harmz]

kumho, ftw.

[impuLseFG]

kumho ftw!!
i want to get the kumho ecsta for my fg
and ive read that tirerack is good

[NTBsalesguy]

I have a choice between these two tires. Which one would you choose?

The kumho's are w rated with 420-aa-a $40 cheaper than toyos.
The Toyo's are v rated with 300-aa-a

Both got great reviews on tirerack.

How bout it?


the tread wear can NOT be compared if they are not made by the same company ..... every tire manufacturer puts what ever tread wear they want to on it their is no goverment standard for treadwear like their is on traction and heat....

[Teebo]

Proxes4 FTW!! ive had mine for 19k and i love them. had them on my old ek hatch too!

[HardWired71]

Jesus, I made this thread 4 years ago...it just won't die LOL!

[PhillyBlunt474]

This thread shall never die!

I just got proxy 4's installed, replaced my Kuhmo ASX. Proxes 4 are by far the superior tire. Better grip, stiffer sidewall but not to stiff where you suffer in ride quality, as well as much quieter! Cant comment on tread life, but we shall see

[cstrike]

get some BFG sports and forget both these tires.

[jono1]

I have the Toyo Proxy 4s and i love them as well.. they seem to last me alot longer then the kumhos i had.

[HardWired71]

Dunno if the proxies are really that good or other tire manufacturers gave up researching new ways to make better tires. 4 years seems an awfully long lifespan for a tire line without something better coming along.

[DamnDecker]

holy crap.. i think in the timeline of this thread someone has probabbly gone through two sets of each of these tires on their own...

Why wont you die??

proxes are good for what they are. all season performance and good sidewalls.
toyo has come out with more, but the proxes4 has gone down in their performance books, from when i came out it was an amazing summer performance tire, to what it is now as a touring tire

[salvatruco2004]

get the toyo proxes dont things rock

[RobertsBrother]

I've had toyo's on many different cars, they have never disappointed.

[Menel]

517 out the door, mounted, balanced, lifetime prorated roadhazard warranty. Proxes 4's.

Downgraded from T1-Rs. T1-R's were extremely nice, lasted 24kmiles. But I didn't want to foot that bill again, and wouldn't mind a bit better life and I suspect the summer compound of the T1R contributed to some rough poor driving in the winter months.

They drive real nice so far, can hardly tell a difference, if anything they feel stickier, but that's likely just because the T1R's were over a year old, tread was worn down to the harder stuff, and had gone through a ton of heat cycles.

[RSX.Type R.]

wheres a cheap place to buy toyo proxes 4?

[05TypeRstar]

I have Toyo Proxes on my dc5 and they are awesome!! summer winter i barely ever really slip in snow unless its an insane amount in which i dont drive anyway!!!

[RSXfuture]

i am in the same contemplation as you

[RSXfuture]

i love my Toyo Proxes 4...

[utstarcom]

i voted for the Kumhos cuz thats what i have and i love them

[PWPRSX112]

Yep I have the Kuhmos on my 05 and they are great. I have put about 15,000 on them and they are still running great. Oh course I got 60k on the stock Michelin Pilots.

[utstarcom]

How is the tread wear on both of these tires?