Poll: Which brake pads are best? Considering dust, stopping power, etc.

[ANACC2NV]

I myself use EBC Greenstuff brake pads, which perform quite well, but leave a little bit more dust than I'd like to see. Here are all of the types of pads for the RSX which I am aware of:

Vote away based on stopping power, appearance, dust, price, and quality!

Az

[AzaghalSEI]

Woah! Thanks for the hand, ANA!

Can't wait to see the votes on this one.. Pads are such a mystery.. :confused:

Az

[RyanDL]

This is somewhat of a bogus poll. Depends on what you're using the pads for, as all manufacturers are different. Also, several different pad compounds are available from each. For example, for strictly light duty (street) use, I'd say the EBC Greens: low dust, low noise, high coefficient of friction. However, they are awful on the track.

Track use? Porterfield R4S pads are great, with the R4 being a good track only pad. My next event, however, is going to be a test of Carbotech Panther+ pads.

I'll submit my vote for street use, since that's what 90% of you all are using the car for anyway.

Ryan

[AzaghalSEI]

I think it's not exactly bogus... It's just a tough question to satisfy! :thumbsup: But we are definitely talking street use here, so Greenstuff is in question -- not Redstuff, etc.

Peace,
Az

[TheSilverBullet]

which has the best high coefficient of friction (stopping power)?

[Azh]

Originally posted by TheSilverBullet
which has the best high coefficient of friction (stopping power)?

I think Carbotech XP is one of the best out there, but if you don't use R compound tires then it is useless.

[TheSilverBullet]

Originally posted by Azh


I think Carbotech XP is one of the best out there, but if you don't use R compound tires then it is useless.


thanks for the info. what does the tires have to do with it?

[AzaghalSEI]

Stopping power from your brakes won't do you much good if your tires can't stop too!! ;)

(Think skidding a few dozen feet! :shakehea: )

[Karl O.]

I think King has the Mugen pads available. I am scared to look at the price.

[whitemike1644]

what about the spoon brakes i really like thier calipers?

any price or availability on those things?

[Azh]

Originally posted by TheSilverBullet



thanks for the info. what does the tires have to do with it?

The brakes will stop the wheels, but if your tires sux, the car will still move. So upgrade your tires first before your brakes.

[Daemione]

Can we add Axxis MetalMasters to the poll?

And I agree - let's limit the poll to aggressive street use only. Too many variables if we're talking street/track or track pads.

[cdphillips]

What type of pads are used by the factory. Simi-metalic, carbon-metalic, etc.....

[Fast Car]

Can we add Hawk Blacks to the list. They're for the street and stops your car like crazy :thumbsup:

[AzaghalSEI]

The brakes will stop the wheels, but if your tires sux, the car will still move. So upgrade your tires first before your brakes.

Damn it Azh, I said that. :laughing:

Az :thumbsup:

[Azh]

Originally posted by AzaghalSEI


Damn it Azh, I said that. :laughing:

Az :thumbsup:

But that question was for me :mad: , you stole my question!!!! :firemad: I am going to kick your ass now!!! :laughing:

[TheSilverBullet]

Which to choose?

EBC - COF=.46 - $69f/$79r
Panther XP COF= .58-.60 $139f/$108r
PorterField = N/A for Type S Front pads, Rear only?????

FYI: i'm looking for street stuff - good inital (cold) braking without lockup. I don't care about fade.

[AzaghalSEI]

Whitemike - the Spoon calipers are in the Club store for $2000 or so I think.

Silver Bullet - Greenstuff has been pretty good to me. Bang for buck! :thumbsup:

Az :wavey:

Azh - bring it at the meet! You making it to the BBQ/Booze party the day before?

[Azh]

Originally posted by TheSilverBullet
Which to choose?

EBC - COF=.46 - $69f/$79r
Panther XP COF= .58-.60 $139f/$108r
PorterField = N/A for Type S Front pads, Rear only?????

FYI: i'm looking for street stuff - good inital (cold) braking without lockup. I don't care about fade.

EBC greenstuff is better for street, Panther XP is for track use, you'll get plenty noise from it. And if you want cold braking Panther Plus is better than XP.

I'll install panther plus tomorrow, and i'll let you guys know how it performs.

AZ: Can you give me the detail of that BBQ party, i don't want to dig in to the PA meet thread :)

[AzaghalSEI]

Azh - it's on the first page, bro! :) First page/first post. :thumbsup:

Let Johnny Navs know if you wanna come!

[Spikey]

It all depends on what you will be doing with your car. Whether you are going to autocross, circuit, or just street.

Porterfields, although many people love them, our experience with them both on customers' cars and on our race Integra Type R's have been quite poor. They fade easily and wear out rotors fast. Comparing them to Endless and Ferodo, our race drivers said they were garbage.

Hawk make pretty good pads. They have strong bite. Their drawback though is they dust a lot and don't have a progressive braking power curve. If you were to graph their braking power, it would be more of a horizontal line than a sloping linear line. That's fine if you always like instant bite, but for braking modulation and just city driving, it's not very friendly.

Endless offers a wider range of pads than most companies so you have a lot of choice in what kind of pad you can get. With the exception of the race only pads, Endless pads don't dust very much and offer a very progressive braking power curve. Personally, I'm using Endless CCM pads. They dust far less than my old Hawk pads and have much more braking power. Plus, the braking power/feel is much more progressive. Before, with the Hawk pads, just tapping on the brake would cause the car's occupants to jerk forward. With the Endless, it's much smoother and more comfortable for daily driving.

Hope this helps.

[AzaghalSEI]

Thanks for that comprehensive input, Spikey!

I didn't see you mention EBC, though? :dontknow:

[Spikey]

Originally posted by AzaghalSEI
Thanks for that comprehensive input, Spikey!

I didn't see you mention EBC, though? :dontknow:

:)

I have no personal experience with EBC. From what I have heard from customers and others on the net is that they are really just a street pad and don't cut it on the track.

Carbotech pads are highly regarded but I don't have enough experience with them to pass judgement.

[AzaghalSEI]

Well, all I was looking for was street pads with less dust and at least better than stock performance. Greenstuff seemed to fit that bill nicely.

I think their next step up is also good for both street/track usage!

Thanks again Spikey!

:wavey:

[TheSilverBullet]

to everyone. Thanks for the help - this site kicks ass.

[AzaghalSEI]

Originally posted by TheSilverBullet
to everyone. Thanks for the help - this site kicks ass.

Any time bro! Take it easy, and welcome! :thumbsup:

[TheSilverBullet]

How do i adjust my e-brake?

[bhcvc]

I like Axxis Ultimates for the street...very dust and squeal friendly, but streetable, just like when talking about engines, is personally defined. Each person withstands their own level of dust and noise and considers that pad streetable/street-friendly. for the track, I used Carbotech...but alas, no mo track car...argh!

[walk]

Where can I buy "Endless" pads?

[harris69]

Sup Walk

www.autocarparts.com had 'em for 123 dollars or sth when i bought mine from them. But, they have been sitting in my garage for almost a month now since they won't fit my car :firemad:

[zeroryde]

Originally posted by RyanDL
say the EBC Greens: low dust, low noise, high coefficient of friction. However, they are awful on the track.



yeah that is what I heard that the EBC greenstuff sucks for the track and autox... basically just for street... this was coming from my friend who used it on his 240sx and autoxin..

I heard Axxis and Hawk pads were really good but they have yet to make any applications that fit out cars.... I'm waiting for axxis to come out with some personally...

[TheSilverBullet]

who dug this MF'er up?

[chris_2002rsx-s]

how are aem pads for the rear
Would this setup be much better then stock

Endless pads in front w/stock calipers
Aems pads in rear w/stock calipers

How long would they last
My stock ones lasted about 9000/10000 miles with my drinving

[BG RSX]

Hawks and Ferodos need to be added

[Old Timer]

I use the Ferodo DS2500's front and back from Raceshopper.com. Way better than stock, but with a bit more dust. Not too bad though, and well worth it for the improved performance. I hear that they're hard to get now, though.

Good luck.

[zeroryde]

I use the Ferodo DS2500's front and back from Raceshopper.com. Way better than stock, but with a bit more dust. Not too bad though, and well worth it for the improved performance. I hear that they're hard to get now, though.

Good luck.


I used those too, but now I'm using cobalt friction GT-sports in the front and axxis ultimates in the rear, and Cobalt friction spec-VR for track

[Old Timer]

I used those too, but now I'm using cobalt friction GT-sports in the front and axxis ultimates in the rear, and Cobalt friction spec-VR for track
Which do you like better: the Ferodos or the Cobalts for street use?

Just thinking ahead for when I need to change brake pads again.

Thanks

[JGTC-spec]

If you want great street pads, you won't go wrong with Poterfield R4S. They are wonderful street pads with good initial bite. No squeak and low dust!!

[mattsroush]

[QUOTE=Spikey]It all depends on what you will be doing with your car. Whether you are going to autocross, circuit, or just street.

What pads do you recommend for autocross? I want improved braking but want to keep the stock calipers/rotors for now.

[aznboysrfr]

how do Ferodo pads (ITR brembo) compare to say ... Hawks?

[Trbiss]

It all depends on what you will be doing with your car. Whether you are going to autocross, circuit, or just street.

Porterfields, although many people love them, our experience with them both on customers' cars and on our race Integra Type R's have been quite poor. They fade easily and wear out rotors fast. Comparing them to Endless and Ferodo, our race drivers said they were garbage.

Hawk make pretty good pads. They have strong bite. Their drawback though is they dust a lot and don't have a progressive braking power curve. If you were to graph their braking power, it would be more of a horizontal line than a sloping linear line. That's fine if you always like instant bite, but for braking modulation and just city driving, it's not very friendly.

Endless offers a wider range of pads than most companies so you have a lot of choice in what kind of pad you can get. With the exception of the race only pads, Endless pads don't dust very much and offer a very progressive braking power curve. Personally, I'm using Endless CCM pads. They dust far less than my old Hawk pads and have much more braking power. Plus, the braking power/feel is much more progressive. Before, with the Hawk pads, just tapping on the brake would cause the car's occupants to jerk forward. With the Endless, it's much smoother and more comfortable for daily driving.

Hope this helps.

I used the Porterfield R4-S my first couple of track days. You're right, they can't take the heat. They end up melting onto the rotors.

I like the Hawk HP+. The intitial bite is staggering. Really like it on the track, but it does take time to get used to. Noisy though and very dusty.

The Cobalt Friction GT Sports were good. Less initial bite but good heat range. Noisy and dusty and although better than the Porterfield's, not up to a hard track day.

For street, I'm using the Ferodo DS 2500. Very little noise, little dusting, and good bite and heat for streets and canyons.

Haven't tried the Endless pads. Which one's are good for a track day that you can drive to and from the track with?

[zeroryde]

I used both of them, ferrodo's at first then the cobalts...I think they're about the same but the cobalts haven't too noisy lately and they have good bite. I might go back to ferrodo's next...

I love my Cobalt Spec-VR's though... talk about stopping power on the track, noisy as hell of course...i love it when people tell me i need new brakes...

[teindc5]

I used the Porterfield R4-S my first couple of track days. You're right, they can't take the heat. They end up melting onto the rotors.

I like the Hawk HP+. The intitial bite is staggering. Really like it on the track, but it does take time to get used to. Noisy though and very dusty.

The Cobalt Friction GT Sports were good. Less initial bite but good heat range. Noisy and dusty and although better than the Porterfield's, not up to a hard track day.

For street, I'm using the Ferodo DS 2500. Very little noise, little dusting, and good bite and heat for streets and canyons.

Haven't tried the Endless pads. Which one's are good for a track day that you can drive to and from the track with?

I have used HP+ on the track , not bad, (the price is alot cheaper then ENDLESS)

recently i have been using ENDLESS CC-R on the track, a bit better then the HP+, 10m more, and i been able to do 3-4 more lap then the HP+ without feeling a bit faded

Im convinced to buy ENDLESS CC-R on track, even on the street, the endless doesnt make 1/2 as much noise as the HP+, brake dust... both are bad but then, who cares when u can stop :p

[shash]

Hawk HPS here. Great initial bite. Modulation is good, despite its short learning curve. No fade whatsoever. Brake dust a BITCH!!! I like the gunmetal look though. :D

[Trbiss]

I have used HP+ on the track , not bad, (the price is alot cheaper then ENDLESS)

recently i have been using ENDLESS CC-R on the track, a bit better then the HP+, 10m more, and i been able to do 3-4 more lap then the HP+ without feeling a bit faded

Im convinced to buy ENDLESS CC-R on track, even on the street, the endless doesnt make 1/2 as much noise as the HP+, brake dust... both are bad but then, who cares when u can stop :p

Sounds good. Where can I buy Endless CC-R pads?

[Trung_EP3CTR]

I've used EBC Greenstuff and they were very poor for track and fast road use. Not really suitable for performance vehicles. :thumbsdow

Im currently using Ferodo DSC2500 on fronts and EBC Redstuff on rears. Stopping power is absolutely phenomenon.

[C25A1guy]

Before I was always a fan of Axxis/PBR MM and Ultimates, but on my last set of ultimates, they would fade extreamly easily (1.5 spirited runs through a canyon would do them in completely useless). Since then, I have switched to Project Mu Titan Kai pads and I couldn't be happier.

[Zzyzx]

Which to choose?

EBC - COF=.46 - $69f/$79r
Panther XP COF= .58-.60 $139f/$108r
PorterField = N/A for Type S Front pads, Rear only?????

FYI: i'm looking for street stuff - good inital (cold) braking without lockup. I don't care about fade.


If you send Porterfield a backing plate (From worn out pads) they can put what ever compound you want back on them...(the R4, R4s or one of their endurance compounds)

I like the porterfield R4s, ran them on the street, and though they dont have the highest COF, they do give you great modulation (Because you are using more pedal travel) Some times having a High COF can be a bad thing. as it makes Pedal modulation a bit tougher.

[teindc5]

Since then, I have switched to Project Mu Titan Kai pads and I couldn't be happier.

Project Mu Titan Kai is a decent pad, but i have been on the track against it (same car, almost equal drivers) I was able to brake 5 m later then the Titan Kai, on the other hand Project Mu 777 is an amazing track pad , can outbrake me by 10 m , i cant wait to try ENDLESS MA-45 against 777, i think it will be intresting.. :)

[Endless USA]

Can we vote for ourselves. lol. j/k. Well actually I did.

Anyways, these pads are available. Please contact club******** to inquire about club pricing. We would love to setup Chris with the account. If you guys can help him move along we are definitely willing to offer a special on DC5 only products.

Thanks, ED USA

[Trbiss]

Before I was always a fan of Axxis/PBR MM and Ultimates, but on my last set of ultimates, they would fade extreamly easily (1.5 spirited runs through a canyon would do them in completely useless). Since then, I have switched to Project Mu Titan Kai pads and I couldn't be happier.

What's the noise factor like with the Rroject Mu Titans? Are they street or track only?

[Trbiss]

I used both of them, ferrodo's at first then the cobalts...I think they're about the same but the cobalts haven't too noisy lately and they have good bite. I might go back to ferrodo's next...

I love my Cobalt Spec-VR's though... talk about stopping power on the track, noisy as hell of course...i love it when people tell me i need new brakes...

Can you drive to the track with the Spec VR's?

[jjm004]

i havent used any of those.

[trex99]

oooohhhh...i like this topic! im looking for something that doesnt fade, will last for a decent amount of time, not TOO loud and i have black wheels so i dont mind the dust :)...oh something FAIRLY priced ya know? any help? i mean i dont want to have to change pads for the track i read through all the post but nothing hit me directly..so what am i looking for??

I have some wilwoods for my crx havent got the car going yet but then again it also has 12.2 aluminum big brake kit and 11in in the rear so im sure it will stop fine but i still want my S to be ok u know?

[trex99]

ohh...i was just looking at C-RSX parts and they have a nice front upgrade for 400 bucks! im wondering the size though how big are stocks like a 10.5 or something? hmmmmand they have some axxis pads and say they are good for street, autocross etc...

[notorious rsx]

endless...the best

[cstrike]

endless...the best

they can stay the best but i aint paying $300 for brake pads either.

[MiChaEL52087]

this would make a good sticky....for all the new rsx owners...

and yea my vote goes to "endless"

[mpls-rsx-s]

I've had good luck with the Hawk Performance HPS for street use, and Hawk Blue or HT 10 for the track.

[rsxer63]

Akebono no dust and excellent stopping power with no noise. If you get the ceramic pads though you will get some dust

[rsxer63]

ohh...i was just looking at C-RSX parts and they have a nice front upgrade for 400 bucks! im wondering the size though how big are stocks like a 10.5 or something? hmmmmand they have some axxis pads and say they are good for street, autocross etc...
stock type s front rotors are around 12"

[jjm004]

none of the above. hawk

[infmethodz]

hawk

[AzianK]

how come there isnt a poll for the rotora pad? seen a few ppl use them, pretty nice :thumbsup: anyway i would do the pads with the slotted and drilled rotors.

[ANACC2NV]

wow talk about an OLD thread...:eek:

[coNyeY]

lol. back from the dead!

I need some new pads actually, i'm around 21,000 miles right now. last time i had them changed they were deadly close to being 100% worn, at 13,000. i wanna change them ASAP!

what's the best brake pad for the money? daily driving... dust, stopping power, and noise are a factor to me. any recommendations?

[05Aucrarsx]

wow 13k miles and 100%

i just hit 50k miles, and they are all about 80% worn

[HiFiRSX]

wow talk about an OLD thread...:eek:

This thread has been brought back like 5 times. DIE you brake pad thread!!!:firemad:

$.02 - EBC greenstuff sucks! Should be called EBC Faders.

[sessman]

Hawk Hps Ftw

[Need4SpeedRSX]

i agree Hawk HPS is the way to go street-wise... if going to the track get the HP Plus:giggitygiggity:

[Man O'War]

A-Spec ;)