Crashed my rsx help needed to fight cops

[[R]*sex]

crashed my rsx last night and i wasn't speeding but rather my car understeering on a turn on sand and i crashed into a pole. i didn't leave any skid marks how ever the cops are saying that i was drifting cause there are skid marks from a previous person :rolleyes:. I took pictures today showing that the skid marks don't go any where near the pole i hit. well obviously im fighting the citation for reckless driving. But i would like to show that if i was driving recklessly and speeding into the turn i would of left long skid marks all the way up to the pole .if i didnt make skid marks i obviously wasn't speeding in the oposing lane of traffic


*** edit*** heres wat im getting cited for “The defendant was driving at a high rate of speed crossing over into the on coming lane of traffic” which i clearly didn't do i did take the turn late but i wasn't speeding nor did i enter the oposing lane


**updated pictures on page 13**

** UPDATE***

sorry it took so long but my court date got pushed back to today, but the good news is that I WON! YAY!!!

** ***

[DallasRSX]

yea man u can fight that ticket! from the pics, it looks like someone stopped at the stop sign and just burned out while making a left hand turn. its pretty obvious that u didnt "drift"

[ronin_asano]

you still lost control of your car. you deserve the ticket.

[STiSchucky]

ive been in a similar position.

I went in, plead not guilty.

a week later i got a letter from the county sayin they dropped my case because I told the judge there weren't any witnesses to bring in.

[STiSchucky]

you still lost control of your car. you deserve the ticket.

no. he doesnt.

[budgy]

thats the poorest excuse ive ever seen. thats a VERY small amount of sand...you could have easily been going over the speed limit and still made that corner...so if you weren't speeding than your just an awful driver

[ronin_asano]

no. he doesnt.

yes he does. his car was understeering? that means he really was speeding and/or he turned in too hard too late. in either case, he lost control of the car.

[wheebz]

You fucked up take the punishment

[STiSchucky]

Losing control doesn't necessarily mean you should get a wreckless driving.

maybe he was maybe he wasn't, but his ticket should get dropped since no one was there to see it.

i too was given one, but it was a little different cause mine had snow and ice. still no witnesses, no ticket

[budgy]

yes he does. his car was understeering? that means he really was speeding and/or he turned in too hard too late. in either case, he lost control of the car.



^^ +1.

probably wasn't drifting, but still driving recklessly none the less

[Lloyd Christmas]

their would have to be a ton of sand their to get you to slide that distance.. or like ronin said you took the turn too late

[Lloyd Christmas]

howd you end up n that side of the street.. jesus

[rsxxsj]

how the hell did u lose control on a turn?
you were obviously speeding.

[91integraDA]

weird situation...but it looks like you were taking the turn too fast, which caused you to understeer and crash. :dontknow:

[ronin_asano]

Losing control doesn't necessarily mean you should get a wreckless driving.

maybe he was maybe he wasn't, but his ticket should get dropped since no one was there to see it.

i too was given one, but it was a little different cause mine had snow and ice. still no witnesses, no ticket

even on snow and ice, you are still held liable if you lose it and cause damage.

he was driving in an irresponsible manner, he deserves the ticket.

[ronin_asano]

howd you end up n that side of the street.. jesus

pssst....he was speeding.

[STiSchucky]

he should get his ticket dropped if he goes in to plead not guilty.


odds are the cop won't have enough evidence against him to give him a wreckless.


but yea he fucked up, bt he can get out of the ticket

[budgy]

well obviously you were understeering before you even hit the fucking sand. You hit the pole shown in the second picture? which way did you come through that intersection to even make that possible, if it was a right hand turn wtf were you doing driving out into the other lane where the sand was?

[rsxdude18]

does the skid mark match your tire tread?

[ronin_asano]

he should get his ticket dropped if he goes in to plead not guilty.


odds are the cop won't have enough evidence against him to give him a wreckless.


but yea he fucked up, bt he can get out of the ticket

right, so he'll figure he got out of it, so he'll just go do it again? i don't think so. moronic actions deserve consequences. at the very least he should be fined the cost of re-erecting that stop sign.

[STiSchucky]

even on snow and ice, you are still held liable if you lose it and cause damage.

he was driving in an irresponsible manner, he deserves the ticket.

If you hit somebody, you'll be held responsible.

If you hit an object such as a tree or a pole, I got out of it by saying it was too icy and the city didn't do anything about it.

Plus, its still hard to give a wreckless by looking at tire tracks that aren't his

[drumnatural]

Thank god Sherlock ronin Holmes is on the case

[STiSchucky]

right, so he'll figure he got out of it, so he'll just go do it again? i don't think so. moronic actions deserve consequences. at the very least he should be fined the cost of re-erecting that stop sign.

maybe.

maybe not.


it's still worth fighting, wreckless can be a killer to ones license/insurance.

[ChadB]

What pole did you hit? The one across the road? If so, you have no arguement...you were speeding, however, if the stop sign was in the state as in the picture you can claim you didn't see it.

[ronin_asano]

If you hit somebody, you'll be held responsible.

If you hit an object such as a tree or a pole, I got out of it by saying it was too icy and the city didn't do anything about it.

Plus, its still hard to give a wreckless by looking at tire tracks that aren't his

if you damage property, you are also still liable. if the city decided not to pursue your case that was their choice. ram your car into a telephone pole, knock it over and see if you don't get billed for it. take out a section of guard rail and see what happens.

[ronin_asano]

maybe.

maybe not.


it's still worth fighting, wreckless can be a killer to ones license/insurance.

fuck him. maybe that will teach him not to do that shit again, which he shouldn't have been doing in the first place if he can't control the car.

[STiSchucky]

right, so he'll figure he got out of it, so he'll just go do it again? i don't think so. moronic actions deserve consequences. at the very least he should be fined the cost of re-erecting that stop sign.

maybe the 2nd half. I hit a tree, the neighbor didn't care so, but a sign is city property and if he did to the damage, he'll pay for that

[STiSchucky]

fuck him. maybe that will teach him not to do that shit again, which he shouldn't have been doing in the first place if he can't control the car.

probably.

just damaging your car is a reminder enough not to fuck around again.

[ronin_asano]

maybe the 2nd half. I hit a tree, the neighbor didn't care so, but a sign is city property and if he did to the damage, he'll pay for that

then you got lucky. there was no evidence of what you did, any damage you caused was to private property and the owner let it slide. your case is completely different from his.

there is evidence of what he did. he clearly had to lose control of the car to hit the stop sign. it doesn't really matter that the cop is mistaken about the skid marks. he was speeding (most likely) he just wasn't speeding on the path the skid marks indicate. he damaged city property. he deserves whatever moving violation that indicates, and whatever fine it costs to repair or replace the sign.

[budgy]

probably.

just damaging your car is a reminder enough not to fuck around again.

you would hope so, but I am willing to bet judging based on this guys attitude to the whole situation that he won't learn a damn thing. He clearly is at fault and is trying to snake his way out of it, that shows to me that he doesn't accept responsibility for his own actions and that he doesn't learn from his mistakes.

[ronin_asano]

you would hope so, but I am willing to bet judging based on this guys attitude to the whole situation that he won't learn a damn thing. He clearly is at fault and is trying to snake his way out of it, that shows to me that he doesn't accept responsibility for his own actions and that he doesn't learn from his mistakes.

for real.

[[R]*sex]

i admit it i did take the turn late but here wat the cop wrote on the citation

“The defendant was driving at a high rate of speed crossing over into the on coming lane of traffic”

[91integraDA]

*sex;13688751']i admit it i did take the turn late but here wat the cop wrote on the citation

“The defendant was driving at a high rate of speed crossing over into the on coming lane of traffic”

then fight it, but i still think you're guilty of taking the turn too fast.

[budgy]

EDIT: Thanks for finally signing your neg you homophobe, suck my dick

[91integraDA]

lol :shady:

[[R]*sex]

then fight it, but i still think you're guilty of taking the turn too fast.


thats not what i got a ticket for tho or id take it like a man i got a ticket for entering oposing lane and speeding no skid marks = no speeding and i didnt enter opposing lane

[STiSchucky]

what's the posted speed limit in that area?

I still don't believe he should be given a wreckless without witnessed proof that he was going way to fast for the posted speed.

if there aren't any limits to that turn, there isn't an exact speed you have to be going other then the one thats on the road

[[R]*sex]

you would hope so, but I am willing to bet judging based on this guys attitude to the whole situation that he won't learn a damn thing. He clearly is at fault and is trying to snake his way out of it, that shows to me that he doesn't accept responsibility for his own actions and that he doesn't learn from his mistakes.

im being acused of things i didn't do so im gonna fight it if it said ticket for turning to fast id just pay the ticket

[[R]*sex]

what's the posted speed limit in that area?

I still don't believe he should be given a wreckless without witnessed proof that he was going way to fast for the posted speed.

if there aren't any limits to that turn, there isn't an exact speed you have to be going other then the one thats on the road

45mph

[budgy]

*sex;13688787']thats not what i got a ticket for tho or id take it like a man i got a ticket for entering oposing lane and speeding no skid marks = no speeding and i didnt enter opposing lane

just because your speeding in a turn doesn't mean your gonna leave skid marks, hell even if your tires are squealing that doesn't guarantee a skid mark is gonna be made.

[91integraDA]

*sex;13688787']thats not what i got a ticket for tho or id take it like a man i got a ticket for entering oposing lane and speeding no skid marks = no speeding and i didnt enter opposing lane

but speeding on a turn=wreckless driving according to the cop, and i'm sure the judge will side with the cop. honestly i doubt you can win this case, even if you are innocent.

[[R]*sex]

does the skid mark match your tire tread?

no skid mark does not match tire tread but im not a scientist so i can't prove that

[budgy]

lol :shady:

haha this post is so ambiguous i dont know whether to neg you or rep you lol

rep sent for the hell of it :thumbsup:

[[R]*sex]

but speeding on a turn=wreckless driving according to the cop, and i'm sure the judge will side with the cop. honestly i doubt you can win this case, even if you are innocent.

not wreckless driving cause i didn't do anything he listed on the citation plus it was driziling that night

[STiSchucky]

but speeding on a turn=wreckless driving according to the cop, and i'm sure the judge will side with the cop. honestly i doubt you can win this case, even if you are innocent.

it's still worth fighting.


If the cop doesnt even bother showing up because he doesn't have any real hard evidence that those marks are his, he'll get the case dropped.

just do what I did, say no witnesses, I plead not guilty, give me a court date to come back for a trial

[91integraDA]

*sex;13688821']no skid mark does not match tire tread but im not a scientist so i can't prove that

just plead guilty and ask for a reduced sentence, because if you fight this it looks like you will lose, and therefore end up in a worse situation. If not talk to a lawyer :thumbsup: Or just keep asking for extensions, maybe the cop won't show up.

[The Mack]

if you damage property, you are also still liable. if the city decided not to pursue your case that was their choice. ram your car into a telephone pole, knock it over and see if you don't get billed for it. take out a section of guard rail and see what happens.

guardrails are expensive. My grandfathers civic came unhooked from his motor home and took out a section of the guardrail, shit was expensive.

[[R]*sex]

just plead guilty and ask for a reduced sentence, because if you fight this it looks like you will lose, and therefore end up in a worse situation. If not talk to a lawyer :thumbsup: Or just keep asking for extensions, maybe the cop won't show up.

you can see from pictures that i didnt make those skid marks and thats all the cop has on me therefore i have a very high possiblity to win this

[STiSchucky]

yes he will probably have to pay for damaging city property.

still beats insurance+maybe a license suspension?

[[R]*sex]

yes he will probably have to pay for damaging city property.

still beats insurance+maybe a license suspension?

i don't care about the money insurance will cover the yellow pole that got a scratch on it and the sign i hit but i don't want those 3 points

[91integraDA]

*sex;13688848']you can see from pictures that i didnt make those skid marks and thats all the cop has on me therefore i have a very high possiblity to win this

but you still crashed , and he can tell the judge that is was caused by speeding, and guess who judges side with most of the time???:thumbsup:

[STiSchucky]

is taking a corner at 40 mph in a 45 speeding?

[[R]*sex]

but you still crashed , and he can tell the judge that is was caused by speeding, and guess who judges side with most of the time???:thumbsup:

i didn't take the turn going over the posted speed limit which is 45 and there isn't a sign saying take turn at 25 or w/e so techinically i wasn't speeding

[91integraDA]

*sex;13688892']i didn't take the turn going over the posted speed limit which is 45 and there isn't a sign saying take turn at 25 so techinically i wasn't speeding

but i'm sure there is a law stating that you have to take turns at a "reasonable" or "safe speed." what that safe speed is what the judge is there to decide. he interprets the law. therefore if he thinks you took the turn at a unsafe speed, based on the cops testimony, guess what you're guilty. If you race on the street and stop at the speed limit, you can still get a ticket, because of a "unsafe start"(screeching tires/launching).

[[R]*sex]

but i'm sure there is a law stating that you have to take turns at a "reasonable" or "safe speed." what that safe speed is what the judge is there to decide. he interprets the law. therefore if he thinks you took the turn at a unsafe speed, based on the cops testimony, guess what you're guilty. If you race on the street and stop at the speed limit, you can still get a ticket, because of a "unsafe start"(screeching tires/launching).

lol :rolleyes: unsafe start they would cite you for wreckless driving and only if they had proof from you leaving tire marks or film from the camera they have well my cop cars do if the only edvence the cop has against me if the skid marks but they are not mine the judge will side with me because i brought the edvience

don't hate cause i had a faster car then you

face it i turned no faster then the speed posted on he speed limit i slamed my brakes to slow down however due to rain and sand i understeered into a pole i made a mistake no doubt about it now i ruined my car and my insurance is gonna sky rocket however i did nothing the cop wrote on my citation

[budgy]

i think everyones point here is that if you were not driving reckless in any way shape or form you would not have crashed your car.

[The Mack]

*sex;13689001']lol :rolleyes: unsafe start they would cite you for wreckless driving and only if they had proof from you leaving tire marks or film from the camera they have well my cop cars do if the only edvence the cop has against me if the skid marks but they are not mine the judge will side with me because i brought the edvience

don't hate cause i had a faster car then you

face it i turned no faster then the speed posted on he speed limit i slamed my brakes to slow down however due to rain and sand i understeered into a pole i made a mistake no doubt about it now i ruined my car and my insurance is gonna sky rocket however i did nothing the cop wrote on my citation

You were driving too fast for conditions then. Should never have to slam on your brakes if you're under control.

[91integraDA]

*sex;13689001']
don't hate cause i had a faster car then you



haha you're an idiot, i could care less if you "had/have" a faster car than me...

but the point is you took the turn too fast for the road conditions which can be seen as wreckless driving regardless of the skidmarks they can still find you guilty.

[youngn]

If that stop sign getting damaged was from you, at the least you have to pay for a new stop sign. Unless you accidently pulled the e-brake, or your ABS failed or some other mechinical problem, it looks like its your fault. It looks like you steered too wide.

I'd hate to agree with ronin, but he's right. Maybe you can fight the ticket.

[bradleyland]

*sex;13688787']thats not what i got a ticket for tho or id take it like a man i got a ticket for entering oposing lane and speeding no skid marks = no speeding and i didnt enter opposing lane

Look man, you could have saved yourself a whoooole lot of trouble by just running to the sidewalk for immunity.

http://forums.clubrsx.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=275275&stc=1&d=1179714178

[[R]*sex]

O wait when i got out of the car thats the first thing i did i even waited for the cop on the side walk i should let the judge know of this!!! thank you so much!

[bradleyland]

It's an open and shut case then.

[?uestion]

Losing control doesn't necessarily mean you should get a wreckless driving.

maybe he was maybe he wasn't, but his ticket should get dropped since no one was there to see it.

i too was given one, but it was a little different cause mine had snow and ice. still no witnesses, no ticket

um yeah. it does.

[cstrike]

Look man, you could have saved yourself a whoooole lot of trouble by just running to the sidewalk for immunity.

http://forums.clubrsx.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=275275&stc=1&d=1179714178

:rotfl:

[bradleyland]

Seriously though, there are several things you need to consider here, and you need to think them over carefully before you decide to take this court, because it could end up costing you a lot more money

Important points in bold.

* You are responsible for maintaining control of your car at all times. If it is raining, you are supposed to adjust your rate of speed accordingly. You are supposed to enter intersections cautiously. Sand in the road will not cause a car to spin out of control, unless you are driving at 9/10ths, which is not appropriate for public roads.

* In the event that you do lose control, it is the responsibility of the investigating officer to determine if you have violated any local traffic code.

* Traffic code is not like other criminal code. You do not get a trial by jury, you only get a hearing in front of a magistrate or judge. The judge's ruling is final; there are no appeals.

* If your citation is upheld, you will be hit with court fees. You need to know what these are BEFORE you challenge, so that you don't end up with a stupid $250 court fee.

* The description you listed in the first post is only the investigating officer's write-up of the events at the scene. You need to look for the code violations he listed on your ticket. If you can't read them on your ticket, call the court house PRIOR to your court date and find out what codes you violated and ask how you can research them.

* Once you know what actual code you violated, you must prove to the judge that you did not violate these codes. The burden of proof is on you. The lack of skid marks does not disprove excessive speed.

* Simply going to court and telling the judge that "this is now how things happened" is going to net you jack shit. If the judge just won the lottery AND got the hummer of a lifetime, he may be in a good enough mood to cut you a break, but don't count on it.

In the end, you lost control of your car, and there were no clear extenuating circumstances. The sand in the photo you provided is in the ONCOMING lane. You should never have been in that lane to begin with, and the judge will call you on it.

If you think judges are stupid, test your luck. Trust me when I tell you, they are not, and you will get the smack down.

[bradleyland]

is taking a corner at 40 mph in a 45 speeding?

Speed limits are just that, limits. They do not imply a right to travel at that speed under all conditions. They certainly do not imply the right to travel around a 90 degree right-hander at the stated limit. You are responsible for maintaining control of your car, and for anticipating conditions that may require changes to your rate of travel, even under the posted limit.

For example, in Florida, code states that any time it is raining, the speed limit is assumed to be 10 MPH lower, and you can be ticketed.

[atan]

WTF...

Pics of car?

[SilverRSXJezus]

Speed limits are just that, limits. They do not imply a right to travel at that speed under all conditions. They certainly do not imply the right to travel around a 90 degree left-hander at the stated limit. You are responsible for maintaining control of your car, and for anticipating conditions that may require changes to your rate of travel, even under the posted limit.

For example, in Florida, code states that any time it is raining, the speed limit is assumed to be 10 MPH lower, and you can be ticketed.

Agreed.




And anyways....he understeered. And there's a stop sign right there. If he wasn't speeding, that must've been some sloppy driving to understeer and crash into the pole. I mean...I see the sand, but that couldn't have been worse than a thunderstorm or something.

[SaCH]

either way, you drove into the wrong lane and hit a pole. I don't know how, probably because you're the drift king :rotfl:

edit, actually i can see your case now, those skidmarks were obviously coming from the right hand lane taking a left turn onto that other street. The skidmarks prove absolutely nothing. But you were prob speeding to crash into that man. you might have a case, you might not.

[natinaylor]

*sex;13688787']thats not what i got a ticket for tho or id take it like a man i got a ticket for entering oposing lane and speeding no skid marks = no speeding and i didnt enter opposing lane

First, If you were coming from the left side and made a righthand turn onto the street with the stop sign too wide and hit that pole, then you were in the opposing traffic lane. Also, if you mention that you ran over the sand, then that definitely puts you in the oncoming lane.

Second, if it was drizzling to the point that the street was wet, then you could have skidded without leaving marks, which could shoot down your excuse.

I'm not trying to imply you were being reckless:vtec: or speeding, but the judge could interpret that you were drifting into the oncoming traffic lane at that intersection.

[dmb]

quit fucking drifting and you won't crash cars

[aftershock141]

you still lost control of your car. you deserve the ticket.

You deserve a ticket for being a pansy.

[stylesp]

you are a idiot cops always win

[arizonarsx]

you are a idiot cops always win

:thumbsdow :laughat:

[Lloyd Christmas]

you are a idiot cops always win

just shows what an uneducated idiot you are..

just because you always go on ride alongs with them dont mean they are god

[STiSchucky]

um yeah. it does.

um, so if the conditions are poor and you lose control, its wreckless?

[Lloyd Christmas]

nope..

[hurleyguys]

it looks like u are screwed if you fight the ticket you are prob going to dig yourself a bigger hole.

[STiSchucky]

Im just saying hes got a case cause nobody witnessed it.

Ive got no comment on how the crash actually happened, how he did it etc.

If nobody saw it, nobody turned him in other then himself, he's got a chance to get it dropped in court.

[Lloyd Christmas]

jeff pull the rod out of your cock it was a inside joke jesus dont be butthurt becuase i didnt call you today

honestly.. i can understand you not calling me today to pick me up for the meet had i not reminded you.. but i imd you and all this shit.. idk i think your a peice of shit.. not even that i wanted to go to the meet.. the general unexplained reason you ignored that shit.. idk i also feel true to my words about saying your an uninformed idiot.. you sweat every cop in towns balls and look up to them as if they are god..

if you truly wanna start talking shit about me i would have no problem beating your faggot ass any day

[stylesp]

sure what ever guy

[STiSchucky]

:rotfl:

[Lloyd Christmas]

sure what ever guy

sure? ill make a vid and we can put this shit up on crsx if u wanna fight unless you are too busy 69ing with bowtie again.. rotfl

[91integraDA]

sure? ill make a vid and we can put this shit up on crsx if u wanna fight unless you are too busy 69ing with bowtie again.. rotfl

lol

[stylesp]

funny thats all you can come up with as a come back or call out seriously why are you on my dick tonight you are so butt hurt its not even funny. how many times have you said hey we will chill tonight ill call you and you never do? more than i can count on 2 hands have i got butt hurt about it and called you out for stupid shit on clubrsx ? no stop being a faggot jeff.

[budgy]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT lol.

um, so if the conditions are poor and you lose control, its wreckless?

Yeah I would think so, a little bit of rain and some sand isn't exactly dangerous conditions. If people down there think that is bad conditions you wouldn't last 6 months on Alberta's highways without rolling your car lol.

[STiSchucky]

and a nice counter by styles pizle.


lets see how j3ff strikes back..

[stylesp]

probably with more cop/bowtie insults

[STiSchucky]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT lol.



Yeah I would think so, a little bit of rain and some sand isn't exactly dangerous conditions. If people down there think that is bad conditions you wouldn't last 6 months on Alberta's highways without rolling your car lol.

he can still claim the roads were wet and it contributed.


like i said, I've got nothing to defend him on for hitting a pole, its obvious he did.

Im just saying hes got a decent chance at winning because I've been in this position before and I just told the judge there weren't any witnesses to give me a wreckless ticket. Actually mine was a ticket called 'care to drive with due care' aka careless to keep my car under control in such icey conditions.

I still got out of it though

[Lloyd Christmas]

funny thats all you can come up with as a come back or call out seriously why are you on my dick tonight you are so butt hurt its not even funny. how many times have you said hey we will chill tonight ill call you and you never do? more than i can count on 2 hands have i got butt hurt about it and called you out for stupid shit on clubrsx ? no stop being a faggot jeff.

answer my above question.. honestly.. theirs a ton of shit i can say to give you one hell of a come back but i keep most shit to myself.. dont call me a faggot unless you can back up what you say.. i will be awake till whenver tonight if you want me to beat your faggot ass up..

[stylesp]

true he will have to prove that the road was wet but the judge can turn it around and say well you should have tamed your driving to the conditions of the road.

[STiSchucky]

hang on, jeff why couldnt you just drive to the meet yourself?

[stylesp]

whats your question ?

[Lloyd Christmas]

hang on, jeff why couldnt you just drive to the meet yourself?

he offered last week > my car has an over heating problem

[budgy]

^^^ oh yeah I know its not like you are saying he didn't crash his car. I just don't know how well its gonna hold up that the conditions were a cause of it, the sand is kinda null and void since it was in the other lane.

It sucks you made a mistake already, it would be shitty if you paid for court costs on top of it, good luck on that one.

EDIT: jesus fuck you guys post fast, this was aimed at you chucky

[stylesp]

headgasket

[stylesp]

we are neighbors dirr

[Lloyd Christmas]

most likely..

[budgy]

are you guys gonna slap each other yet? in for vids

[Lloyd Christmas]

im always ready.

[STiSchucky]

no shit get a vid.


make sure jeffs wearing his homestar runner costume to

[stylesp]

nah fuck you

[budgy]

if you guys don't wanna solve this with violence, you can always half a jerk off onto a muffin contest or something......no homo

[Lloyd Christmas]

he lives down the street.. its an open invitation to him

[STiSchucky]

lmfao thats got to be a canadian thing

[stylesp]

directed at candian boy

[budgy]

that won't work, if you wanna fight him that badly your gonna have to walk over there yourself and instigate this. or maybe you can meet somewhere in the middle

[stylesp]

weird fuckin people i predict i will have a infraction from ronin in my inbox by morning

[budgy]

lmfao thats got to be a canadian thing

:o :mam:

[Lloyd Christmas]

no shit get a vid.


make sure jeffs wearing his homestar runner costume to

LOLOLOLOL

http://forums.clubrsx.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=275290&stc=1&d=1179726849

[budgy]

haha the fact that you have her as an attachment rather than just linking is disturbing for some reason

[stylesp]

lol what celebrities would you bang

[Lloyd Christmas]

janet reno

[stylesp]

is haggard

[budgy]

that little patch of gray is what makes her so fucking boneable

[Lloyd Christmas]

http://forums.clubrsx.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=275296&stc=1&d=1179727380

[budgy]

are you guys gonna fight? if not I guess I can go to bed now lol

[stylesp]

nah

[stylesp]

i sent bart to come jack you off tho i know your queer ass likes that shit

[stylesp]

tickets to canada were reasonably priced fyi

[Lloyd Christmas]

im going to bed too

[budgy]

i think ill just rub one out by myself thx though lol

[arizonarsx]

http://forums.clubrsx.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=275296&stc=1&d=1179727380

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[marshall'02]

thats the poorest excuse ive ever seen. thats a VERY small amount of sand...you could have easily been going over the speed limit and still made that corner...so if you weren't speeding than your just an awful driver

:iamwiths:

Wtf, you encountered understeer from that? You must have tried to take that turn at 60. :eek:

[dmb]

just admit it, you thought you were all dope riding your car and you fucked up...

[youngn]

Damn, just fight, and post the vid on YouTube or something.

....Should we start placing bets on who will win?

[hueman]

it's cool brah i dont' think you were being reckless.

i just think you can't aim your car for shit

[Rekcah]

If you lost control hitting that tiny amount of sand then you were either speeding or a really shitty driver.... Im going to side with the cops on this one.


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/aznballa44/IMG_0343.jpg

[Rekcah]

In fact you can even see your tire marks in the sand showing that you went straight though it and hit the pole basically backing up what the cop said 100%

http://forums.clubrsx.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=275347&d=1179750948

[Rekcah]

Again another pic proving the cop was correct. You hit the pole head on after crossing the other lane.


http://forums.clubrsx.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=275348&d=1179751181

[onthesc]

how the hell did you hit the stop sign dead on like that. man o man.

[hueman]

If you lost control hitting that tiny amount of sand then you were either speeding or a really shitty driver.... Im going to side with the cops on this one.


[IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/aznballa44/IMG_0343.jpg[IMG]

In fact you can even see your tire marks in the sand showing that you went straight though it and hit the pole basically backing up what the cop said 100%

[IMG]http://forums.clubrsx.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=275347&d=1179750948[IMG]

Again another pic proving the cop was correct. You hit the pole head on after crossing the other lane.


[IMG]http://forums.clubrsx.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=275348&d=1179751181[IMG]

well why don't you just marry the cop then faggot

[ronin_asano]

You deserve a ticket for being a pansy.

who's the pansy? i control my car.

[ronin_asano]

um, so if the conditions are poor and you lose control, its wreckless?

not necessarily wreckless, but it's still your fault.

[Rekcah]

well why don't you just marry the cop then faggot
Ohh that hurts lmao are you sticking up for your gay lover :rolleyes:

The fact is the cop was right and the op was wrong. Grow up:rolleyes:

[hueman]

ZOMG you used smilies on me

my greatest weakness

someone...

help me....

please....


*dead*

[Rekcah]

ZOMG you used smilies on me

my greatest weakness

someone...

help me....

please....


*dead*

:laughing:

[Rekcah]

To the OP just claim this guy was driving your car..

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=482852

[Jadis]

:rotfl:

[bradleyland]

um, so if the conditions are poor and you lose control, its wreckless?
No, it's usually failure to use due care, or something like that. The traffic code varies from state to state, county to county, and sometimes, city to city. In any event, you are responsible for reducing speed and using "due care". Look up due care in a legal context, and you'll get a better idea of what I mean.

The only case where conditions are a good defense is when conditions are really, really bad. If there's ice everywhere, and people are wrecking their shit left and right, some dick cop might wrongfully write you a ticket. Just a drizzle isn't going to get you off though. The greatest likelihood is that the judge will laugh at him and he'll get hit with court costs.

Im just saying hes got a case cause nobody witnessed it.

If nobody saw it, nobody turned him in other then himself, he's got a chance to get it dropped in court.
The "no witnesses" thing depends heavily on how local judges rule in those cases. Many precincts will set a precedence, then stick with that. If the precedence is to err on the side of the investigating officer, and he can offer no other proof that he didn't violate the specific code indicated on the citation, he'll be fucked.

he can still claim the roads were wet and it contributed.
He can claim that all he wants, but that doesn't negate his responsibility to use due care. If the roads were wet, he should have reduced his speed and entered the intersection cautiously.

I still got out of it though
Look, it's great that you got out of your ticket. It sounds like your county/city works differently than most. For example, in Indian River county, no witnesses are required. The investigating officer's assesment of the scene is treated as truth unless the defendant can provide contrary evidence.

If the OP intends to go to court, he needs to know for sure how the ruling authority treats these cases. Otherwise, he could end up paying more that the cost of the ticket in court fees.

Just for the record, I've been in this situation as well. I fought a traffic incident and lost on one of two citations. I ended up with no points, but the court costs ended up costing more than it would have been to just take a fucking course, and I wouldn't have had to fuck with an attorney.

[[R]*sex]

Again another pic proving the cop was correct. You hit the pole head on after crossing the other lane.


http://forums.clubrsx.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=275348&d=1179751181

are you fuckin retarded there is no way those skid marks are mine you are connecting two different skid marks this is prob the only post thats pissed me off don't act like you know what your talking about or show me some bull shit diagram you made up look at the marks on the curb then u draw it straight out like you did it goes through the dark skid marks meaning they are not mine

[rsxxsj]

so..how fast were you turning?

[Rekcah]

*sex;13692972']are you fuckin retarded there is no way those skid marks are mine you are connecting two different skid marks this is prob the only post thats pissed me off don't act like you know what your talking about or show me some bull shit diagram you made up look at the marks on the curb then u draw it straight out like you did it goes through the dark skid marks meaning they are not mine

you can see your skid mark though the sand.... look between the thin lines so you under stand what my arrows were pointing at.

and thanks for acting like a child

http://forums.clubrsx.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=275358&d=1179757648

[Zambutu Bibjano]

Wreck-less driving = no wrecks (wreckless isn't even a word)

Reckless driving = what OP did



Rekcah +rep for pointing out those skid-marks the OP made, you saved me the trouble :laughing:

[[R]*sex]

you can see your skid mark though the sand.... look between the thin lines so you under stand what my arrows were pointing at.

and thanks for acting like a child

http://forums.clubrsx.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=275358&d=1179757648

i didnt hit the stop sign i hit the pole and as long as the dark skid marks are proven to be some one elses i did not go over 60 mph and cross into oncoming traffic before the turn i turned in the lane i was supposed to be in and i wasn't going over the speed limit

[hueman]

even if you were going 40mph, you should've been able to make that turn

[[R]*sex]

im fighting the citation because the cop wrote the citation based of skid marks from another person peeling out into the street from the stop sign and thought i crossed over into the opther lane while going over 60 before i made my turn, but i didnt.

[Rekcah]

poor stop sign was his next of kin notified of his untimely death.

[Zambutu Bibjano]

Not all tires leave dark skid marks, especially at higher speeds. Low speeds + fast tire rotation (IE a burn-out) will lay down a lot more rubber than a higher speed + fast tire rotation (IE speeding through a turn).

[[R]*sex]

even if you were going 40mph, you should've been able to make that turn

i thought that as well :dontknow: and i ended up crashing into a pole

[Zambutu Bibjano]

*sex;13693388']im fighting the citation because the cop wrote the citation based of skid marks from another person peeling out into the street from the stop sign and thought i crossed over into the opther lane while going over 60 before i made my turn, but i didnt.

What makes you think he's basing it off those? Do you really think the cop was that much of a dumbass? You can clearly see your skid marks in the pictures you posted, and they lead all the way up to the point you hit the curb. :rolleyes:

[[R]*sex]

Not all tires leave dark skid marks, especially at higher speeds. Low speeds + fast tire rotation (IE a burn-out) will lay down a lot more rubber than a higher speed + fast tire rotation (IE speeding through a turn).

okay however the cop is basing his assumtions of me speeding and crossing into the other lane from the skid marks of someone else. he did not see me speed or cross into the lane he saw skid marks and said you made them you must of being goin over 60 to make those skid marks and u must of entered the opposing lane

[[R]*sex]

What makes you think he's basing it off those? Do you really think the cop was that much of a dumbass? You can clearly see your skid marks in the pictures you posted, and they lead all the way up to the point you hit the curb. :rolleyes:

i know this because it was at night so they weren't visable and he pointed to the dark skid marks when he was talking to me your acting like he didn't tell me why he thought i did what he thought i did

[Integra_Evolution]

My opinion:

Get a lawyer and you will stand a better chance at coming out better in this situation.


/thread

[Rekcah]

Post up pics of your car....

[rsxxsj]

*sex;13693395']i thought that as well :dontknow: and i ended up crashing into a pole

wait so you were going 40..on a turn?

[Rekcah]

wait so you were going 40..on a turn?

waiting for pics of the damage rsx... that will answer some questions.

[ronin_asano]

*sex;13693345']i didnt hit the stop sign i hit the pole and as long as the dark skid marks are proven to be some one elses i did not go over 60 mph and cross into oncoming traffic before the turn i turned in the lane i was supposed to be in and i wasn't going over the speed limit

whatever. you still crossed left of center in order to hit that pole. that's reckless. you were clearly going too fast to make the turn, hence the understeering. the sand had nothing to do with this. you deserve the ticket.

[hueman]

whatever. you still crossed left of center in order to hit that pole. that's reckless. you were clearly going too fast to make the turn, hence the understeering. the sand had nothing to do with this. you deserve the ticket.

ok, sand can never contribute to understeer.

i've heard it all now.

[bradleyland]

ok, sand can never contribute to understeer.

i've heard it all now.

The sand is in the opposing lane. He shouldn't have been in that lane to begin with.

OP, if you decide to go to court, you MUST post results here. I'm really curious how it will turn out.

[ronin_asano]

ok, sand can never contribute to understeer.

i've heard it all now.

you do a great job of making things up. please show me where in that post i said that sand can *never* contribute to understeer.

i said that sand hand nothing to do with *this*. this refers to a particular situation, namely, the one our op finds himself in now.

[[R]*sex]

wait so you were going 40..on a turn?

i was going 40 before the turn i hit my brakes to slow down brakes didnt to crap i ended up crashing into a pole i turned my wheels as i was sliding i had not control of the car hence i said understeer the front wheels had no traction so im blaming the sand

[[R]*sex]

The sand is in the opposing lane. He shouldn't have been in that lane to begin with.

OP, if you decide to go to court, you MUST post results here. I'm really curious how it will turn out.

that night it was in both lanes and there is still sand in the left lane if you look closly theres just more in the right lane and it rained that night wouldn't be surprised if some washed away

[bradleyland]

you do a great job of making things up. please show me where in that post i said that sand can *never* contribute to understeer.

i said that sand hand nothing to do with *this*. this refers to a particular situation, namely, the one our op finds himself in now.

It's a real bitch trying to have a written conversation when people have the reading comprehension ability of a third grader.

[bradleyland]

*sex;13694271']that night it was in both lanes and there is still sand in the left lane if you look closly theres just more in the right lane and it rained that night wouldn't be surprised if some washed away
If you plan to use it as part of your defense, you need to get pictures of the sand that caused you to START the understeer. Personally, I wouldn't present those photos in court, because the sand is in the opposing lane, and if you tell the judge sand is what caused you to understeer, he's going to have hard time getting past that fact.

Basically, if you're going to attribute this to an external cause, you need to provide proof of that cause. The sand pictured could not have caused this accident.

[bradleyland]

I've got another question. If you only hit the pole, then who hit the stop sign? Before I went to court, I'd try to find out if the accident where the stop sign was damaged is on record. If it is, definitely bring that to court with you. That may help support your claim that you were driving reasonably.

[[R]*sex]

If you plan to use it as part of your defense, you need to get pictures of the sand that caused you to START the understeer. Personally, I wouldn't present those photos in court, because the sand is in the opposing lane, and if you tell the judge sand is what caused you to understeer, he's going to have hard time getting past that fact.

Basically, if you're going to attribute this to an external cause, you need to provide proof of that cause. The sand pictured could not have caused this accident.

couldn't i say the rain caused me to slide into the sand and the sand didn't help me get traction? my car was already sliding so it wasn't gonna stop especially if there is sand in front

[sztum22]

guardrails are expensive. My grandfathers civic came unhooked from his motor home and took out a section of the guardrail, shit was expensive.

:bsflag:

I bet he was driftin too

[Rekcah]

Still waiting for pics of the crashed car.

[ronin_asano]

It's a real bitch trying to have a written conversation when people have the reading comprehension ability of a third grader.

he's got a problem with me. he understood it just perfectly, he's just trying to piss me off.

[ronin_asano]

*sex;13694244']i was going 40 before the turn i hit my brakes to slow down brakes didnt to crap i ended up crashing into a pole i turned my wheels as i was sliding i had not control of the car hence i said understeer the front wheels had no traction so im blaming the sand

i see. so you locked up the brakes, cut the wheel and thought you'd make the turn.

[inmys2k]

OP fucked up. He tried to make it seem like it wasn't his fault also. You deserve the ticket for not only taking that turn too fast, but also trying to get our help when we got people in here who has some common sense not to believe your dumb excuse/story. If you loose control over that little amount of sand, please stop driving and please go back to school and come back with a better alibi.

[bradleyland]

*sex;13694315']couldn't i say the rain caused me to slide into the sand and the sand didn't help me get traction? my car was already sliding so it wasn't gonna stop especially if there is sand in front

Personally, I wouldn't say that. Rain is not a good excuse, because many states have traffic code that covers it specifically. Basically, when it's raining, the code states that you slow the hell down.

[hueman]

you do a great job of making things up. please show me where in that post i said that sand can *never* contribute to understeer.

i said that sand hand nothing to do with *this*. this refers to a particular situation, namely, the one our op finds himself in now.

you weren't there. you are inferring things. if he was going at the *limit* and then hit sand, he would then understeer horribly. are you in a position to say how fast he was going or how the sand played a role? are you some sort of omnipotent god as you seem to fancy yourself?

the fact that you don't recognize this and instead make assumptions that the sand has nothing to do with him understeering is ridiculous. you are implying that sand had nothing to do with this, but it *could* have.

so because you are clearly unknowing as to how fast he was going (other than "too" fast) and the dynamics of how he entered the turn, the only thing that remains is this: you clearly believe that sand cannot contribute to understeer.

it's simple logic: you don't know the specifics of a situation but make broad sweeping statements so it can only be concluded that you believe that sand cannot contribute to understeer.

was he going too fast? obviously. did the sand play a role? maybe. maybe not.

[[R]*sex]

OP fucked up. He tried to make it seem like it wasn't his fault also. You deserve the ticket for not only taking that turn too fast, but also trying to get our help when we got people in here who has some common sense not to believe your dumb excuse/story. If you loose control over that little amount of sand, please stop driving and please go back to school and come back with a better alibi.


i didn't get a ticket for turning to fast will you fucking read god damn it! i didn't say i wasn't my fault im saying the cop said i did something i didn't do you think id fight a ticket for turning too fast? or speeding? MAN! i hope my judge went to college and isn't as ignorant as some of you.

[inmys2k]

Yea using the rain excuse will get you fucked up even more. If you were to hydra plane on the freeway, the rain excuse will work in some cases but in a street like that, you are screwed using the rain excuse.

[inmys2k]

*sex;13694384']i didn't get a ticket for turning to fast will you fucking read god damn it!

I know you didn't get a ticket for turning too fast, You taking that turn too fast which caused you to get the ticket.

[hueman]

It's a real bitch trying to have a written conversation when people have the reading comprehension ability of a third grader.

uh huh. :rolleyes:

[inmys2k]

*sex;13694384']i didn't get a ticket for turning to fast will you fucking read god damn it! i didn't say i wasn't my fault im saying the cop said i did something i didn't do you think id fight a ticket for turning too fast? or speeding? MAN! i hope my judge went to college and isn't as ignorant as some of you.

Wow you have the reading comprehension of a third grader. Seriously. No shit you didn't get a ticket for speeding or whatever. I'm saying thats the cause of your ticket, taking the turn too fast and not having the ability to control your car. You did however get a ticket for wreck less driving. Trust me, your judge did go to college and he'll give you the right treatment when you give him proof of the sand or rain excuse :rotfl: .

[bradleyland]

I have a certain amount of sympathy for the OP, because I have encountered snap understeer due to sand before. I was turning into our mall and hit a sand patch. I was doing like 25 MPH in my MR2 and the fucking thing slid into the oncoming lane. I almost hit a car that was pulling up to the stop sign. That was a mid-engine car though, and it understeered like a mutherfucker at low speed.

[ronin_asano]

you weren't there. you are inferring things. if he was going at the *limit* and then hit sand, he would then understeer horribly. are you in a position to say how fast he was going or how the sand played a role? are you some sort of omnipotent god as you seem to fancy yourself?

the fact that you don't recognize this and instead make assumptions that the sand has nothing to do with him understeering is ridiculous. you are implying that sand had nothing to do with this, but it *could* have.

so because you are clearly unknowing as to how fast he was going (other than "too" fast) and the dynamics of how he entered the turn, the only thing that remains is this: you clearly believe that sand cannot contribute to understeer.

it's simple logic: you don't know the specifics of a situation but make broad sweeping statements so it can only be concluded that you believe that sand cannot contribute to understeer.

was he going too fast? obviously. did the sand play a role? maybe. maybe not.

based on the evidence he has provided, the sand did not contribute to his accident.

he tries to claim he wasn't going too fast. then he claims the sand was washed away by the rain. look at the pictures. if sand was in his lane, his skid marks would have taken a much different path. he was never close to making that turn on the trajectory he was traveling.

it's simple logic, just as you said.

[[R]*sex]

I know you didn't get a ticket for turning too fast, You taking that turn too fast which caused you to get the ticket.

No turning too fast crashed my car the ticket is for speeding in the oposing lane of traffic before i turned(which i did not do). the cop assumed that because there were skid marks from a car peeling out into the street. i however did not enter opposing lane of traffic before i turned i hit my brakes to slow down for the turn i thought i missed and i slid. as i was sliding i turned the wheel which only helped me slide into a pole instead of the car turning where i wanted it to.

[[R]*sex]

based on the evidence he has provided, the sand did not contribute to his accident.

he tries to claim he wasn't going too fast. then he claims the sand was washed away by the rain. look at the pictures. if sand was in his lane, his skid marks would have taken a much different path. he was never close to making that turn on the trajectory he was traveling.

it's simple logic, just as you said.

i wasn't speeding but i did take the turn too fast

[ronin_asano]

*sex;13694484']No turning too fast crashed my car the ticket is for speeding in the oposing lane of traffic before i turned(which i did not do). the cop assumed that because there were skid marks from a car peeling out into the street. i however did not enter opposing lane of traffic before i turned i hit my brakes to slow down for the turn i thought i missed and i slid. as i was sliding i turned the wheel which only helped me slide into a pole instead of the car turning where i wanted it to.

guess what? turning too fast = speeding

[[R]*sex]

guess what? turning too fast = speeding

i thought speeding was going over the posted speed limit?

[640k]

Lets see pics of the car. The damage will tell all.

[[R]*sex]

i wasn't like yo watch me take this turn at 60mph!!! it was more like o shit theres my turn BRAKE SLIDE CRASH

[ronin_asano]

*sex;13694492']i wasn't speeding but i did take the turn too fast

no, you mean you weren't going faster than *posted* speed. there's a big difference you are failing to understand here, which is why you don't get that you deserve the ticket.

as brad pointed out several posts back, you must control your car at all times. what constitutes speeding is relative here. you were going too fast to make the turn. that's speeding it doesn't matter that 'too fast for the turn' is less than the posted speed limit, which btw, applies to vehicles that are traveling in along the road the sign is facing, not to traffic turning off that road.

[bradleyland]

*sex;13694384']i didn't get a ticket for turning to fast

Did you read my post regarding finding out specifically which code you violated? You're still basing your defense on the written description of the accident. Frankly, that report will be ignored in court. They're going to look at the code you violated, and the judge will determine whether he wants to uphold that violation.

[ronin_asano]

*sex;13694499']i thought speeding was going over the posted speed limit?

wrong.

[91integraDA]

*sex;13694499']i thought speeding was going over the posted speed limit?

NO...you took the turn at a unsafe speed which is against the law, and that can also be interpreted as "wreckless driving" because by taking turn to fast you can crash, which you managed to do. Ask yourself crashing because of taking a turn too fast, how is that not wreckless driving?

[bradleyland]

*sex;13694511']i wasn't like yo watch me take this turn at 60mph!!! it was more like o shit theres my turn BRAKE SLIDE CRASH

That's called "failure to use due care." Seriously, broken record time, you need to find the codes you violated. It is unlikely that the legal code mentions "taking a corner too fast" specifically. Code is written as broad as possible to cover as many infractions as possible.

[drumnatural]

ZOMG you used smilies on me

my greatest weakness

someone...

help me....

please....


*dead*


http://www.maj.com/gallery/OnuaNuvaGuy/Images/noooo.jpg

[inmys2k]

*sex;13694484']No turning too fast crashed my car the ticket is for speeding in the oposing lane of traffic before i turned(which i did not do). the cop assumed that because there were skid marks from a car peeling out into the street. i however did not enter opposing lane of traffic before i turned i hit my brakes to slow down for the turn i thought i missed and i slid. as i was sliding i turned the wheel which only helped me slide into a pole instead of the car turning where i wanted it to.

so you did get a ticket for speeding...then what is THIS!

*sex;13694384']i didn't get a ticket for turning to fast will you fucking read god damn it! i didn't say i wasn't my fault im saying the cop said i did something i didn't do you think id fight a ticket for turning too fast? or speeding? MAN! i hope my judge went to college and isn't as ignorant as some of you.

so let's get this straight. You got a ticket for "speeding" and you are trying to fight it in court not because of "speeding" but because the cop said you did something you didn't do which is skid out on that pavement there in your picture by showing the evidence that those skid marks are not yours but the sand caused it, but you still crashed and understeered for "speeding".

[ronin_asano]

*sex;13694511']i wasn't like yo watch me take this turn at 60mph!!! it was more like o shit theres my turn BRAKE SLIDE CRASH

yes, we know that. you locked up your brakes, overloaded the front end with too much weight, lost traction, slid across the oncoming lane and hit the pole.

all because you were going too fast and could not control your car. the sand didn't cause this accident.

...but we'll suppose for a moment that the sand did cause the understeer and send you into the pole. this is still your fault because you applied too much braking force on the vehicle. again, you were not in control of your car. your actions set this chain of events in motion. you deserve the ticket.

[Rekcah]

Lets see pics of the car. The damage will tell all.

yes it will and still waiting on pics

[Rekcah]

http://www.maj.com/gallery/OnuaNuvaGuy/Images/noooo.jpg

damn thats a messed up pic poor bird

[[R]*sex]

no, you mean you weren't going faster than *posted* speed. there's a big difference you are failing to understand here, which is why you don't get that you deserve the ticket.

as brad pointed out several posts back, you must control your car at all times. what constitutes speeding is relative here. you were going too fast to make the turn. that's speeding it doesn't matter that 'too fast for the turn' is less than the posted speed limit, which btw, applies to vehicles that are traveling in along the road the sign is facing, not to traffic turning off that road.

but the cop gave me the ticket because he thought i was going over 70 mph i don't think he woulda gave me a reckless driving ticket if he thought i was going the normal speed limit which you don't understand. cop was a nice guy i let him take pictures of my car and he went over why he thought i was speeding pointed to the dark skid marks. at the time i just crashed my car i belive everything he said entill he said you were prob going over 70 mph and i told him like 10 times i wasn't going over the speed limit and 11 times he told me i had to of been to make skid marks like that. i took pictures the next day and no way are those skid marks mine so it was just a mis understanding of the skid marks so im gonna fight it

[ronin_asano]

That's called "failure to use due care." Seriously, broken record time, you need to find the codes you violated. It is unlikely that the legal code mentions "taking a corner too fast" specifically. Code is written as broad as possible to cover as many infractions as possible.

didn't you explain that already?

[[R]*sex]

yes it will and still waiting on pics

car got towed and i just called the insurance company today ill post pictures when i visit my car

[hueman]

based on the evidence he has provided, the sand did not contribute to his accident.

he tries to claim he wasn't going too fast. then he claims the sand was washed away by the rain. look at the pictures. if sand was in his lane, his skid marks would have taken a much different path. he was never close to making that turn on the trajectory he was traveling.

it's simple logic, just as you said.


whatever. you still crossed left of center in order to hit that pole. that's reckless. you were clearly going too fast to make the turn, hence the understeering. the sand had nothing to do with this. you deserve the ticket.

and since when were you going purely by what he was saying? oh that's right, only selective thinking when it comes to you.

[ronin_asano]

*sex;13694583']but the cop gave me the ticket because he thought i was going over 70 mph i don't think he woulda gave me a reckless driving ticket if he thought i was going the normal speed limit which you don't understand. cop was a nice guy i let him take pictures of my car and he went over why he thought i was speeding pointed to the dark skid marks. at the time i just crashed my car i belive everything he said entill he said you were prob going over 70 mph and i told him like 10 times i wasn't going over the speed limit and 11 times he told me i had to of been to make skid marks like that. i took pictures the next day an no way are those skid marks mine so it was just a mis understanding of the skid marks so im gonna fight it

i'm so sorry. yes, he would have given you the ticket anyway. you were reckless. you applied your brakes with too much force, then cut the wheel way too hard, and crossed left of center.

j00 = reckless driver.

[ronin_asano]

and since when were you going purely by what he was saying? oh that's right, only selective thinking when it comes to you.

i'm not really sure what you are trying to say here. of course i'm going on what he's saying. how else can anyone provide a relevant opinion on what happened without taking into account what he said?

you know the sand didn't cause this just as well as i do.

[hueman]

i'm not really sure what you are trying to say here. of course i'm going on what he's saying. how else can anyone provide a relevant opinion on what happened without taking into account what he said?

you know the sand didn't cause this just as well as i do.

you aren't going on what he's saying because you're arguing with what he's presenting. first you say he's lying or is incredibly wrong because clearly he's going too fast. then you try to argue that sand didn't have anything to do with the understeering because he "said" he wasn't going fast. make up your mind

[Rekcah]

*sex;13688421'] if some one could find a picture of skid markis leading to a crash site it would really help me out and get back at those pigs.


*sex;13694583'] cop was a nice guy i let him take pictures of my car and he went over why he thought i was speeding


lol first he was a pig then he is a nice guy

[[R]*sex]

so let's get this straight. You got a ticket for "speeding" and you are trying to fight it in court not because of "speeding" but because the cop said you did something you didn't do which is skid out on that pavement there in your picture by showing the evidence that those skid marks are not yours but the sand caused it, but you still crashed and understeered for "speeding".[/QUOTE]


not speeding but speeding in the oposing lane of traffic before i turned

[[R]*sex]

lol first he was a pig then he is a nice guy

he was a nice guy but i posted pig cause now i have to go to court nice guy before citation pig after i have to go court

[inmys2k]

*sex;13694583']but the cop gave me the ticket because he thought i was going over 70 mph i don't think he woulda gave me a reckless driving ticket if he thought i was going the normal speed limit which you don't understand. cop was a nice guy i let him take pictures of my car and he went over why he thought i was speeding pointed to the dark skid marks. at the time i just crashed my car i belive everything he said entill he said you were prob going over 70 mph and i told him like 10 times i wasn't going over the speed limit and 11 times he told me i had to of been to make skid marks like that. i took pictures the next day and no way are those skid marks mine so it was just a mis understanding of the skid marks so im gonna fight it

Let's take into consideration that you weren't speeding at 70mph as you say and those skid marks are not yours. Well of course they are not yours because it doesn't make sense. So the cop is wrong then for giving you a ticket for speeding before the turn right? But then it is your fault that you were speeding into that turn which caused the crash which is your fault. So you are basically trying to find a loop hole to get out of the ticket. So if you go to a judge and tell them you weren't speeding but you actually just sped into the turn and that under steer occurred which caused the crash. Then they will still give you a wreck less driving ticket because you were speeding there but your other ticket will get dismissed. So you still lose? So technically still your fault and technically you still deserve the ticket, you're just trying to get out of it without facing your consequences.

[inmys2k]

*sex;13694650']he was a nice guy but i posted pig cause now i have to go to court nice guy before citation pig after i have to go court

ok that makes a lot of sense.

[ronin_asano]

you aren't going on what he's saying because you're arguing with what he's presenting. first you say he's lying or is incredibly wrong because clearly he's going too fast. then you try to argue that sand didn't have anything to do with the understeering because he "said" he wasn't going fast. make up your mind

you are really confused.

yes, i called him out for going too fast. if you've been keeping up, he's since admitted as much.

i didn't argue that the sand had nothing to do with it because he said he wasn't going fast. i have no idea where you got that. i have no idea what that even means.

i did argue the sand had nothing to do with it because he *was* going too fast. as i have stated several times, he was traveling too fast for the turn and cut the wheel anyway. that's what induced the understeer, not the sand.

[Rekcah]

you aren't going on what he's saying because you're arguing with what he's presenting. first you say he's lying or is incredibly wrong because clearly he's going too fast. then you try to argue that sand didn't have anything to do with the understeering because he "said" he wasn't going fast. make up your mind

Actually when you look at the sand in the pic he took. You can see he was already going to hit the pole head on. He said there was other sand that caused the wreck but that sand is not present in the picture.

stop sticking up for your lover ...... ok wait here comes the eyes.






































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[budgy]

ok, sand can never contribute to understeer.

i've heard it all now.

holy shit you're a dumb fuck. the whole point is that he understeered into that lane in the first place, he was already understeering before he hit the sand.

BTW thanks for all the neg rep you sent my way because my user name is "gay".

[[R]*sex]

Let's take into consideration that you weren't speeding at 70mph as you say and those skid marks are not yours. Well of course they are not yours because it doesn't make sense. So the cop is wrong then for giving you a ticket for speeding before the turn right? But then it is your fault that you were speeding into that turn which caused the crash which is your fault. So you are basically trying to find a loop hole to get out of the ticket. So if you go to a judge and tell them you weren't speeding but you actually just sped into the turn and that under steer occurred which caused the crash. Then they will still give you a wreck less driving ticket because you were speeding there but your other ticket will get dismissed. So you still lose? So technically still your fault and technically you still deserve the ticket, you're just trying to get out of it without facing your consequences.

nah i just have to disprove the cops acusations by showing the skid marks he saw were not mine i don't mention me turning to fast like i did here ill just say under the conditions from slippery roads i could not complete my turn sucessfully. hows that sound? i think that sounds pretty good. then the judge says to the cop wat further edvience do you have of this youg mand speeding? officer says non your honor well then young man looks like you lucked out

[inmys2k]

*sex;13694645']not speeding but speeding in the oposing lane of traffic before i turned

the reason the cop thought you were speeding in the opposing lane of traffic is because you did?

Lets see you travel through that lane at 40mph lets say...then you brake to take the turn. Then you would be at around 25-30mph, and that is safe to take that turn, lets assume you are. But if you were traveling at the opposing lane at 70mph, braked real hard and taking the turn all at the same motion causing your brakes to lock up causing understeer and the crash. So doesn't that make sense to the cops?

[640k]

you are really confused.

yes, i called him out for going too fast. if you've been keeping up, he's since admitted as much.

i didn't argue that the sand had nothing to do with it because he said he wasn't going fast. i have no idea where you got that. i have no idea what that even means.

i did argue the sand had nothing to do with it because he *was* going too fast. as i have stated several times, he was traveling too fast for the turn and cut the wheel anyway. that's what induced the understeer, not the sand.
The only thing the sand could have done was contribute to his making contact with the pole. It didn't cause his "understeer". He was already going to fuck something up before he hit the sand.

[91integraDA]

*sex;13694699']nah i just have to disprove the cops acusations by showing the skid marks he saw were not mine i don't mention me turning to fast like i did here ill just say under the conditions from slippery roads i could not complete my turn sucessfully. hows that sound? i think that sounds pretty good. then the judge says to the cop wat further edvience do you have of this youg mand speeding? officer says non your honor well then young man looks like you lucked out

No, because the judge isn't that stupid and will see the only way you crashed was by taking the turn wayyyy tooo fast which guess what, IS WRECKLESS DRIVING :)

[budgy]

*sex;13694699']nah i just have to disprove the cops acusations by showing the skid marks he saw were not mine i don't mention me turning to fast like i did here ill just say under the conditions from slippery roads i could not complete my turn sucessfully. hows that sound? i think that sounds pretty good. then the judge says to the cop wat further edvience do you have of this youg mand speeding? officer says non your honor well then young man looks like you lucked out

yeah thats your best bet, if the cop who wrote the ticket doesn't show up you might have a way better chance of getting off.

[hueman]

you are really confused.

yes, i called him out for going too fast. if you've been keeping up, he's since admitted as much.

i didn't argue that the sand had nothing to do with it because he said he wasn't going fast. i have no idea where you got that. i have no idea what that even means.

i did argue the sand had nothing to do with it because he *was* going too fast. as i have stated several times, he was traveling too fast for the turn and cut the wheel anyway. that's what induced the understeer, not the sand.


again,

you say sand didn't have anything to do with it because he was understeering. but unless you were there and know EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED, which you DO NOT, you then cannot say it had nothing to do with it because YOU DON'T KNOW. how difficult is that to understand? to further push the point that you DON'T KNOW, you go on to offer several possible scenarios that MIGHT have happened--even one that says:

but we'll suppose for a moment that the sand did cause the understeer and send you into the pole. this is still your fault because you applied too much braking force on the vehicle.

so you even offer a possible scenario. is it possible? yes. is it PROBABLE? no. he probably would've crashed regardless. but that's not the point. the point is you are making black and white statements in a situation where you aren't qualified.

[hueman]

holy shit you're a dumb fuck. the whole point is that he understeered into that lane in the first place, he was already understeering before he hit the sand.

BTW thanks for all the neg rep you sent my way because my user name is "gay".

wow you're dumb if you think it's impossible to sign a neg rep with someone else's username.

[[R]*sex]

No, because the judge isn't that stupid and will see the only way you crashed was by taking the turn wayyyy tooo fast which guess what, IS WRECKLESS DRIVING :)

but i didnt speed in the opposing lane right? thats all the matters

[bradleyland]

didn't you explain that already?

About a million fucking times.

[hueman]

stop sticking up for your lover ...... ok wait here comes the eyes.


i'm not actually sticking up for him, i'm arguing for arguments' sake.

oh real mature of you to get butthurt and neg me for a joke. ilu

[91integraDA]

*sex;13694725']but i didnt speed in the opposing lane right? thats all the matters

that is up to the judge to decide... :thumbsup:

[bradleyland]

*sex;13694725']but i didnt speed in the opposing lane right? thats all the matters

Shut the FUCK up and listen for a minute.

You are fighting the wrong battle!!! It doesn't matter if you convice everyone here that you are right. You are not listening to a fucking word of the advise that will save you hundreds of dollars! This is the last time I am posting this, then you're on your own, you will go to court, you will get fucking owned, and you will pay a lot of money.

The officers written description is not actual citation

If you think that cop was a dick, you've never stood before a judge. Judges are usually prior lawyers. Lawyers are pompus asses who like to argue. Most judges hate traffic hearings, so you're going to be standing in front of a pissed off, pompus lawyer who is looking for any hint of a reason to uphold your citation and make you pay money for wasting his time.

Look for the number of the actual traffic code you violated

You must PROVE that you did not violate the specific traffic code cited on the ticket. The cop already has evidence. YOU RAN INTO THE FUCKING POLE.

Post the ACTUAL CODE you violated, then you can work on a defense. Otherwise, you'll be standing in court with your cock in your hand feeling like a dumbass.

[Rekcah]

*sex;13694699']nah i just have to disprove the cops acusations by showing the skid marks he saw were not mine i don't mention me turning to fast like i did here ill just say under the conditions from slippery roads i could not complete my turn successfully. hows that sound? i think that sounds pretty good. then the judge says to the cop wat further edvience do you have of this youg mand speeding? officer says non your honor well then young man looks like you lucked out
It depends on the local state laws. What state are you in?
also if you say "under the conditions from slippery roads i could not complete my turn successfully." They will tell you that you should have taken the corner slower due to wet conditions. In Cali they will mark on the ticket what the road conditions were at the time.

[[R]*sex]

that is up to the judge to decide... :thumbsup:

thats all that matters the cop though i was speeding onto oncoming traffic before the turn i didnt i cant prove it

[inmys2k]

*sex;13694699']nah i just have to disprove the cops acusations by showing the skid marks he saw were not mine i don't mention me turning to fast like i did here ill just say under the conditions from slippery roads i could not complete my turn sucessfully. hows that sound? i think that sounds pretty good. then the judge says to the cop wat further edvience do you have of this youg mand speeding? officer says non your honor well then young man looks like you lucked out

ok. so you are trying to get out of this but without telling the truth. so really you can win this possibly in court but really you deserve a different citation that shows your incompetence for taking the turn too fast which is wreckless driving. I say you just go to court and see what happens. I say you will lose it, because you crashed which caused the downfall of your case. Sure the judge "can" believe you but it doesn't change the fact that you still crashed. I doubt he will believe the slippery roads excuse either.

[hueman]

WOW post reported for personal insults

good going mod

[budgy]

wow you're dumb if you think it's impossible to sign a neg rep with someone else's username.

and the negs keep on coming in :thumbsdow

seriously you are a fucking loser

[[R]*sex]

ok. so you are trying to get out of this but without telling the truth. so really you can win this possibly in court but really you deserve a different citation that shows your incompetence for taking the turn too fast which is wreckless driving. I say you just go to court and see what happens. I say you will lose it, because you crashed which caused the downfall of your case. Sure the judge "can" believe you but it doesn't change the fact that you still crashed. I doubt he will believe the slippery roads excuse either.

YES! i do and id deffinitly pay that one but i will not pay one that says i did something i did not do that is not justice

[Rekcah]

i'm not actually sticking up for him, i'm arguing for arguments' sake.

oh real mature of you to get butthurt and neg me for a joke. ilu

Did I neg rep you ? lol

[hueman]

and the negs keep on coming in :thumbsdow

seriously you are a fucking loser

:rotfl:

i haven't negged you

[[R]*sex]

from what ive heard slippery conditions is a good excuse to get out of wreckless driving we will see tho i will post results but court date is prob a month away

[budgy]

but it would still be fair if you paid the ticket for different reasons.

so why is it unfair if you pay the ticket for different reasons (skidmarks)? But not unfair for you to get off for a ticket that you still deserve? Seems like a double standard, you really should have ran to the sidewalk for immunity

[hueman]

Did I neg rep you ? lol

i dunno, i figured it was you but they didn't sign

[budgy]

i dunno, i figured it was you but they didn't sign

this is the shitty thing with the rep system..it should automatically sign...oh well rep is kinda gay anyway. if it really wasn't you than I am sorry lol, its just irritating

[[R]*sex]

but it would still be fair if you paid the ticket for different reasons.

so why is it unfair if you pay the ticket for different reasons (skidmarks)? But not unfair for you to get off for a ticket that you still deserve? Seems like a double standard, you really should have ran to the sidewalk for immunity

totally different im fighting the ticket for entering the opposing lane before i turned while going 60mph which i wasn't even close to doing

what i would of taken a ticket for is taking a turn too fast under driving conditions

[ronin_asano]

The only thing the sand could have done was contribute to his making contact with the pole. It didn't cause his "understeer". He was already going to fuck something up before he hit the sand.

no shit. that's what i've been saying the entire time.

[Rekcah]

i dunno, i figured it was you but they didn't sign

haha no I always sign mine :D :D :D

I was going to say I didn't remember neg'n you

[Rekcah]

this is the shitty thing with the rep system..it should automatically sign...oh well rep is kinda gay anyway. if it really wasn't you than I am sorry lol, its just irritating

I have to go back and grab one of your quotes from my sig:rotfl:

[bradleyland]

*sex;13694844']what i would of taken a ticket for is taking a turn too fast under driving conditions

And if you'd look for the actual code, you'd know what you got the ticket for.

[ronin_asano]

again,

you say sand didn't have anything to do with it because he was understeering. but unless you were there and know EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED, which you DO NOT, you then cannot say it had nothing to do with it because YOU DON'T KNOW. how difficult is that to understand? to further push the point that you DON'T KNOW, you go on to offer several possible scenarios that MIGHT have happened--even one that says:



so you even offer a possible scenario. is it possible? yes. is it PROBABLE? no. he probably would've crashed regardless. but that's not the point. the point is you are making black and white statements in a situation where you aren't qualified.

it's possible o.j. didn't kill nicole. please.

i made my statements based on what he provided. you'll notice that after some prodding, his story starts to line up with the scenarios that everyone here is providing. it wasn't the sand.

[91integraDA]

*sex;13694844']totally different im fighting the ticket for entering the opposing lane before i turned while going 60mph which i wasn't even close to doing

what i would of taken a ticket for is taking a turn too fast under driving conditions

can you list the citation code violations

because i think you got two violations

1. unsafe speed/wreckless driving

2. entering an opposing lane of traffic

so you might get off on number 2, which i doubt because you obviously entered the opposing lane if you hit the pole, but you're still guilty of number 1.

[budgy]

I have to go back and grab one of your quotes from my sig:rotfl:

is that like getting free advertising? sweet

[[R]*sex]

to ronin the sand might not of been the cause of understeer but it certainly didn't help me get traction all i needed was 1 seond of grip as i was closing in on the pole to keep from hitting the pole

[Rekcah]

is that like getting free advertising? sweet

haha see quote below :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[[R]*sex]

can you list the citation code violations

because i think you got two violations

1. unsafe speed/wreckless driving

2. entering an opposing lane of traffic

so you might get off on number 2, which i doubt because you obviously entered the opposing lane if you hit the pole, but you're still guilty of number 1.

i only got 1 citation $106 fine and 3 points i don't care about $106 i don't want the points

[youngn]

Pics of car yet?

[budgy]

haha thanks, something good came out of something bad :D

[ronin_asano]

can you list the citation code violations

because i think you got two violations

1. unsafe speed/wreckless driving

2. entering an opposing lane of traffic

so you might get off on number 2, which i doubt because you obviously entered the opposing lane if you hit the pole, but you're still guilty of number 1.

but he did both.

he just didn't enter the opposing lane first.

he was traveling at an unsafe speed when he cut the wheel to make the turn. he lost control of the car and slid left of center, hitting the pole.

so the only thing he isn't guilty of is doing the 70mph the cop mentioned on the ticket. but since that 70mph would bring a reckless charge as well, it's a moot point.