24V VR6 vs. 02-05 RSX Type-S

[Cameron4]

Okay i'm SURE i'm going to get alot of biased answers here, but if you don't know please don't post because i'm actually wondering and not looking for a bunch of drama. I pick up my 2003 GTI VR6 in las vegas on the 31st of this month. Here are some stats on the car.

2003 VW GTI VR6
Horsepower : 200 hp @ 6200 rpm
Torque : 195 lb-ft @ 3200 rpm
Redline : 6500-7000 rpm
Top speed : 146 mph
0-60 mph : 6.5 sec.
0-¼ mile : Unknown
Transmission: 6 Speed Manual (ONLY)
Curb Weight : 3036 lbs

02-05 RSX Type-S
Horsepower : 200 hp @ 7400 rpm('02-'04), 210 hp @ 7800 rpm('05+)
Torque : 142 lb-ft @ 6000 rpm('02-'04), 143 lb-ft @ 7000 rpm('05+)
Redline : 7900-8100 rpm
Top speed : 145 mph
0-60 mph : 6.7 sec.('02-'04), 6.5 sec.('05)
0-¼ mile : 15.2 sec @ 92.7 mph('02-'04)
Transmission: 6 Speed Manual (ONLY)
Curb Weight : 2769-2840 lbs


I'm wondering how this thing could compare to a race with a stock RSX Type-S. I've driven our type-s COUNTLESS times all over and its a fun car and is quite fast. But with the TQ numbers so low, and having equal HP I have a feeling the 2.8L V6 would take it by a few cars. If not then it would come down to a shift war? whoever is better at getting those perfect shifts. And i'm talking about STOCK no i/h/e or anything else.

Thanks people! :wavey:

[Cameron4]

Commonnn people, can anyone guess-timate who would win from stats maybe?

here's it'll look like w/out the rims though.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/Cameron4/rolling21000.jpg

And our RSX-S.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/Cameron4/RSX.jpg

[NickC89]

A kid at my school has one and he says he can beat Mustang GTs like they are nothin. :bsflag: I think it would take the DC5 a little from a dig, but none the less it will be close. Sorry if this doesnt give you a definite answer.

[Skottyyy]

my friend has a 2005 gti vr6 and i have an 06 type s we both had cai thats all and 2nd gear i started to pull away from him by 4th he was atleast 2-3 cars behind

[Cameron4]

Okay, good responses, hoping to see more soon :)

+rep for contributing

[tweezy]

I'm guessing it's a driver's race. The GTI is going to have a flatter torque curve than the RSX-S, but there's almost a 300lb weight difference. I'm guessing (much like NickC said above) that the GTI would get off of the line faster, but the Type-S would catch it once VTEC kicked in, yo.:vtec:

My guess is standing start goes to GTI, rolling start to DC5. But that's just an uneducated guess assuming equal driver skill.

On a road course, as opposed to a drag, it's even more of a skill issue. An unskilled driver who can't stay in the powerband will be punished if he can't keep the revs above 5800, where the GTI with it's broader powerband (but arguably worse handling and higher weight) would be a bit more forgiving.

IMHO, these cars are so equally matched that it comes down to a question of driving style and preferences. Correct me if I'm wrong CRSXers.

[Cameron4]

I'm guessing it's a driver's race. The GTI is going to have a flatter torque curve than the RSX-S, but there's almost a 300lb weight difference. I'm guessing (much like NickC said above) that the GTI would get off of the line faster, but the Type-S would catch it once VTEC kicked in, yo.:vtec:

My guess is standing start goes to GTI, rolling start to DC5. But that's just an uneducated guess assuming equal driver skill.

On a road course, as opposed to a drag, it's even more of a skill issue. An unskilled driver who can't stay in the powerband will be punished if he can't keep the revs above 5800, where the GTI with it's broader powerband (but arguably worse handling and higher weight) would be a bit more forgiving.

IMHO, these cars are so equally matched that it comes down to a question of driving style and preferences. Correct me if I'm wrong CRSXers.

Great response, I would have figured the same kind of guess. Cause its not like 195 lb.-ft. goes unnoticed, but the weight is its main disadvantage. Even from the 0-60 times and top speed its such a close match. So from stock/stock I agree VR6 takes it from a DIG but when it comes to a rolling race the 8100RPM Redline & VTECH takes it, when comparing completly even drivers.

& +rep man

[Konsept]

Drivers race. Regardless of the trq numbers on the vr6. :shady:

From a dig, the vr6 will have a much easier time getting out (I think the vr6 comes with traction control too like the 1.8T?).

After that 1st to 2nd gear shift, it's all going to come down to driver. If the RSX has a pretty decent launch, it should edge out around late 2nd gear going into 3rd. Can't remember for the life of me, but I think the vr6 makes max power at 4500 rpms? The powerband on it is better suited for quick shifts - not so much high power bands.

[Cameron4]

Drivers race! thanks Konsept

+Rep for post, and having a sexy pwp.

[carguy]

VR6 wins to 70mph, then RSX-S passes by a car or two. But, with the RSX in stock form, I felt like I was beating the crap out of it to make it go fast.

[Cameron4]

Yeah, I feel the same way... in our type-s it always seems like you've got to max the hell out of it every shift, just to feel that acceleration pull. Do you know why the acura passes at 70mph or so? There both 200hp... but is it because of the weight?

[-Wingman-]

Yeah, I feel the same way... in our type-s it always seems like you've got to max the hell out of it every shift, just to feel that acceleration pull. Do you know why the acura passes at 70mph or so? There both 200hp... but is it because of the weight?

dont know anything about why the rsx passes at 70mph. it could possibly be because its more of a top end car and at that point, the aerodynamic characteristics of a car really start to take effect.(rsx is more aerodynamic).

ive raced an 06 gti with high octane tune, little more boost, and intake and the guy only beat me by 2-3 cars when we reached 120mph. before we let off, it seemed like he was not gaining anymore. but anyways, from a 55mph, which is where we started, i instantly had him by about 1-2 cars. it was a fun race :laughing:

[dr.gonzo]

24V 2.8VR6 at first like everyone said from a dig. 1st and 2nd the VR6 has the TypeS and when torque loses it's value around 3rd gear the TypeS will win depending on how far behind he is. In that I mean if the TypeS driver got a shitty launch and the VR6 driver got a great launch there would be a slight chance the TypeS driver wouldn't be able to catch up until some ungodly speed 105-115mph I am guessing. I really love my VR6 but have much love and respect for the TypeS the K20A2,Z3(is that the 05 and 06 engine TypeS)and one day want to own one.

[dr.gonzo]

Yes the TypeS passes at 70mph b/c it has a great deal more mid-topend than the VR6 plus it's lighter also. One thing I don't like about the VR6 is that they don't have the nice topend pull(even with headwork and beefy cams)that the TypeS does.

[Cameron4]

24V 2.8VR6 at first like everyone said from a dig. 1st and 2nd the VR6 has the TypeS and when torque loses it's value around 3rd gear the TypeS will win depending on how far behind he is. In that I mean if the TypeS driver got a shitty launch and the VR6 driver got a great launch there would be a slight chance the TypeS driver wouldn't be able to catch up until some ungodly speed 105-115mph I am guessing. I really love my VR6 but have much love and respect for the TypeS the K20A2,Z3(is that the 05 and 06 engine TypeS)and one day want to own one.

Hahaha thats why we've got both! I respect both cars very much and apparently the VR6 even stock is a great car to have fun in, making everyday trips less boring. I feel the same way with the type-s though, because its like we're driving little F1 cars, considering the small tight aerodynamic design, 6 speed short throw gearbox and the 8100 RPM redline cannot go unnoticed. :vtec: RSX's & GTI's FTW!

[Cameron4]

But I guess, FWD is kinda lame.

[tweezy]

Hahaha thats why we've got both! I respect both cars very much and apparently the VR6 even stock is a great car to have fun in, making everyday trips less boring. I feel the same way with the type-s though, because its like we're driving little F1 cars, considering the small tight aerodynamic design, 6 speed short throw gearbox and the 8100 RPM redline cannot go unnoticed. :vtec: RSX's & GTI's FTW!

Well enjoy that GTI when you pick it up. They're sweet little cars. I've got a homie that's owned a few and swears by them... the guy practically cried after test driving an R32. LOL.

[T_Vang]

The gti would own the rsx -- just being honest.

[NickC89]

This doesnt prove anything, because its an older GTI I think. But the ending is funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExyEgajUJYw

[Cameron4]

lol well maybe I will have to get a buddy in my type-s while I go in my gti. a dig and a 30mph roll? :P

[dr.gonzo]

Cameron go to www.vwvortex.com and look on the 24v VR6 forum and check out the C2 motorsports turbo kit for the 24v VR6. If you have around 5-6k to burn it's a nice way to get 500whp and around that much torque. On a FWD that seems kind of silly but hell it's a lot of fun I bet once you learn how to drive with it.

[Cameron4]

lmao fuck man, I really don't know how I would drive a 500hp/500tq turbocharged engine around in the winter but fuck would that be fun. Honestly, I think though I'd rather save up the extra 2 grand and spend 8 on like a 2006 GSXR1000. Then I could go reallllyyyyyy fast :D

& I'm already a member on VWVORTEX. It's pretty cool site.


Hahahah! And I'd like to see any RSX Keep up to a C2Turbo kit on a 24V VR6 :P

[Cameron4]

Yes the TypeS passes at 70mph b/c it has a great deal more mid-topend than the VR6 plus it's lighter also. One thing I don't like about the VR6 is that they don't have the nice topend pull(even with headwork and beefy cams)that the TypeS does.

so what kinda mods would I need to get that top end pull? I/E/Chip??

[gordykeefers]

I'm guessing it's a driver's race. The GTI is going to have a flatter torque curve than the RSX-S, but there's almost a 300lb weight difference. I'm guessing (much like NickC said above) that the GTI would get off of the line faster, but the Type-S would catch it once VTEC kicked in, yo.:vtec:
My guess is standing start goes to GTI, rolling start to DC5. But that's just an uneducated guess assuming equal driver skill.

On a road course, as opposed to a drag, it's even more of a skill issue. An unskilled driver who can't stay in the powerband will be punished if he can't keep the revs above 5800, where the GTI with it's broader powerband (but arguably worse handling and higher weight) would be a bit more forgiving.

IMHO, these cars are so equally matched that it comes down to a question of driving style and preferences. Correct me if I'm wrong CRSXers.

as others have said (:deadhorse ) the lower end goes to the vr6. I think it's worth pointing out that the RSX has a very flat torque curve, though. See the vr6 dyno below:

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j206/gordykeefers/vr624vdyno182hp4thgear.jpg

this isn't bone stock, but it's close. The RSX is just as flat as this, just a lower number.

[dr.gonzo]

There really isn't a mod to get the type of top end pull you get from a K20 engine. People of the VR6 community have been trying to do that N/A for years no chance mainly the way the combustion chamber is made. The combustion chamber is made in a way that makes it great for low-mid range but not so good for upper end power. I would say a supercharger or turbo would help topend. A turbo with a nice size housing to it and about a GT35,40, or 42 with a 88,92, or 1.06 trim would do wonders for the 24v's VR6 topend.

However from driving a torque friendly car like my 12vr6 with the Schrick VGI+many other mods I would love to have fun with the K20 and have some decent mid-topend for a change. I swear lowend power is really over rated.

[Cameron4]

That dyno run is for the 12V VR6, mines a 24V with 200hp and 195tq. I can see how the line does run flat, and only peaks only between 3-4 thousand RPM. I just wish the engine was more capable of gains from bolt on peices, considering turbo kits and superchargers are a big investment.

[Cameron4]

I need to find a high milage 05 RSX-S in PWP and convince him to trade lol. :(

Unless it was a DC5 Type-R replica, then it wouldn't matter what year or color :P hahaha

[Cameron4]

with JDM parts ofcoarse.

=]

[04TypeSAspec]

I have an 04 type s stock and I raced a 2003 vr6 stock last nite. First race 40 roll 3 beeps - i got a half car length right off the bat by 3rd gear he caught up and we were dead even at 120-130mph he slowly started creeping away.

[AFinRoo]

my last car was a 98 glx vr6 12v 2.8. I raced a 02-04 type s from a dig with just a cai. I was beating him by about a car and a half. When i hit about 80 or so, his headlights were right at my door and he was climbing on me, but we let off. Also a 24v has 20-25 more horsepower, so id say from a dig he will win and from a roll it will be a very good race.

[Gotboost98]

ill get back to this thread later

[18psi]

my last car was a 98 glx vr6 12v 2.8. I raced a 02-04 type s from a dig with just a cai. I was beating him by about a car and a half. When i hit about 80 or so, his headlights were right at my door and he was climbing on me, but we let off. Also a 24v has 20-25 more horsepower, so id say from a dig he will win and from a roll it will be a very good race.

so you base two car's performance off of one race you had with your friend? lmao...how retarded
fyi, i too raced a buddy's 12v vr6 when i had my 03 type-s, and id get him every time: dig or roll...he's on here and can vouch for that btw. and the newer ones ARE NOT faster....kthnxbi

[NA All Day]

That dyno run is for the 12V VR6, mines a 24V with 200hp and 195tq. I can see how the line does run flat, and only peaks only between 3-4 thousand RPM. I just wish the engine was more capable of gains from bolt on peices, considering turbo kits and superchargers are a big investment.

That's a dyno for the a 24V V6. Just because your car is rated at 200hp doesn't mean it's going to produce that at the wheels. :laughat:

[Gotboost98]

That's a dyno for the a 24V V6. Just because your car is rated at 200hp doesn't mean it's going to produce that at the wheels. :laughat:

hahaha hey robert!:wavey:

[NA All Day]

hahaha hey robert!:wavey:

Sup Benfizzle

[Gotboost98]

Sup Benfizzle

Not much making my rounds of ownage for the day. You?

[NA All Day]

Not much making my rounds of ownage for the day. You?

Bored at work, laughing at some of these people, not this thread so much but the others are hilarious.

[Gotboost98]

Bored at work, laughing at some of these people, not this thread so much but the others are hilarious.

ahah yeah. The things people say here in rsx vs all is staggering. Hell not just here all over the board actually. I got one for you let me get the link

[Gotboost98]

there it is
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=538352

[dr.gonzo]

Damn people what's the big deal? People who are in the know of the VR6 will admit that the 24v VR6 doesn't respond that well to N/A mods. The K20 responds to mods much better than the 24v VR6 and is a bit lighter too. The lighter car with more mid to highend hp will win over the car that's heavier and has good low to mid range power and so so topend. I know this b/c I own a 12v VR6 and even though the 24v has 12 more valves and 200hp and 195tq the weight increase makes not much more powerful than it's lighter predecessor the 12v VR6. So what's the big deal this isn't rocket science.

[NA All Day]

Damn people what's the big deal? People who are in the know of the VR6 will admit that the 24v VR6 doesn't respond that well to N/A mods. The K20 responds to mods much better than the 24v VR6 and is a bit lighter too. The lighter car with more mid to highend hp will win over the car that's heavier and has good low to mid range power and so so topend. I know this b/c I own a 12v VR6 and even though the 24v has 12 more valves and 200hp and 195tq the weight increase makes not much more powerful than it's lighter predecessor the 12v VR6. So what's the big deal this isn't rocket science.

Yeah I know I used to own a 12v'r

[18psi]

lol, apparently to some noobs its rocket science :)