rx8 vs srt4

[SE3P]

My cuzin and i got bored last nite so we decided to race each other. He has an srt4 with just an intake i think..I had my brother with me and he was by himself. The First time i launched on him but by third gear he had half a car on me. The second time i didnt catch grip and his launch was perfect. that time he beat me by a car and a half.
I think i did ok considering the first time we raced he had 2 more ppl in the car with him and i was by myself. that time he beat me by 2 cars though. i had less mods back then though. Yea i lost but eh i kinda was expecting it since hes turbo and im N/A. Tell me what ya think. did i do ok or could i have done better.

[orangekeebler]

he cant drive..sorry. a stock srt-4 should/could/would wax the floor with a simple bolt on rx-8.

[fatcircles]

he cant drive..sorry. a stock srt-4 should/could/would wax the floor with a simple bolt on rx-8.

Agreed.

[SE3P]

he can drive. hes a better driver than me. infact he was able to beat a grip of cars with his 95 full bolt on Carb legal prelude just cause he knew how to drive.

[orangekeebler]

dude..your rx8 is around 2 full seconds slower in a drag race than an srt-4. and the srt-4 is trapping well above your rx8 as well..he cant drive, or he was just messing around. go to the road course/auto-x if you want to tear him up.

[big18g]

nice race, but rx8's are slow as hell...........even turboed they suck...

[killertofupanda]

there's one thing they with honda in character. high revving, but torqueless.

[TSimage]

A lot of the info in this thread is quite extreme but the base line is true. Yes the SRT4 should have won but NO the SRT4 isn't a full 2 seconds faster than an RX8 with your mods on any day. More like a few tenths.

You are comparing a mid 14s car vs a low 14s car. Not much of a difference especially with 2 passengers in his car. So yeah the race was about right, especially from a dig.

[Machina]

I thought the SRT-4 was faster than mid 14s. A lot faster, in fact. :dontknow: Plus, the RX8's advantage in the 1/4 is that it is lightweight and has rwd. From a race that starts from a roll, it's less about weight and more about horsepower, which the SRT has loads of. I would've guessed a stock SRT-4 would've walked all over even heavily modified RX8s. Oh well, guess I underestimated the 8 or overestimated the SRT. Either way, cool cars, one built for power one for handling.

[TSimage]

I thought the SRT-4 was faster than mid 14s. A lot faster, in fact. :dontknow: Plus, the RX8's advantage in the 1/4 is that it is lightweight and has rwd. From a race that starts from a roll, it's less about weight and more about horsepower, which the SRT has loads of. I would've guessed a stock SRT-4 would've walked all over even heavily modified RX8s. Oh well, guess I underestimated the 8 or overestimated the SRT. Either way, cool cars, one built for power one for handling.

No the SRT4 is a mid-low 14s car, the RX8 is a high to mid 14s car stock too.

I have no idea wtf anyone is talking about above me, but the OPs RX8 vs a SRT4 with 2 passengers is a drivers race. RX8s are not easy cars to drive so I'm not surprised he lost.

Plus

8>4 DUH!

[orangekeebler]

A lot of the info in this thread is quite extreme but the base line is true. Yes the SRT4 should have won but NO the SRT4 isn't a full 2 seconds faster than an RX8 with your mods on any day. More like a few tenths.

You are comparing a mid 14s car vs a low 14s car. Not much of a difference especially with 2 passengers in his car. So yeah the race was about right, especially from a dig.

dude..seriously..the rx8 is a 15 second beast stock. the srt-4 is a high 13-low 14 stock. bolt ons on an rx8 do pretty much nothing. few tenths? not likely. especially with the trap speends being so different. so maybe not a full 2 seconds, but yeah..you get the idea.

[big18g]

i have also yet to see a stock rx8 pull anything close to a "mid 14":dontknow:

[-Wingman-]

Drop in a 20b and wax his ass :dontknow:

[TSimage]

dunno about where you live but here the 6spd RX8s run upper mid 14s. 14.7s and such. The SRT4s run low 14s on average with a couple slipping into 13s, but this is all on a preped track where the SRT4 hooks better than it does on the street. Add to the fact that this guys car had 2 people in it and the outcome is VERY believeable. No the SRT4 shouldn't have put buslengths on the RX8 in this case. the race was pretty much how it should have been.

SRT4s aren't THAT quick, especially from a dig. sounds good to me.

[Machina]

Oh I definitely believe the first post, just saying I would've expected an even larger of victory for the SRT-4, that's all. I'm sure drivers make an impact as well as passengers.

[orangekeebler]

dunno about where you live but here the 6spd RX8s run upper mid 14s. 14.7s and such. The SRT4s run low 14s on average with a couple slipping into 13s, but this is all on a preped track where the SRT4 hooks better than it does on the street. Add to the fact that this guys car had 2 people in it and the outcome is VERY believeable. No the SRT4 shouldn't have put buslengths on the RX8 in this case. the race was pretty much how it should have been.

SRT4s aren't THAT quick, especially from a dig. sounds good to me.

well, i have personal experience racing rx8s, with both of my srt-4's, and the outcome was horrible for the rx8. and yes, i had passengers. im sorry man, but in this case, i know what the outcome 'should' have been. i had the same mod (intake) as the one this guy says, and the rx8 had some bolt ons. dig/roll, didnt matter..the rx8 got left behind like no ones business.

[TSimage]

I feel bad for the guys you raced.

Time to find somepeople who can drive such a high winding motor. It's not for everyone...

People who are hardasses have gotten low 14s out of that car so in the end its going to be driver mod.

And there is a HUGE difference between the autos, the 5 spds and the 6spds..

[Leebunnyz]

i use to have a rx-8, and i had a few more boltons the the thread starter and i know for certain i couldnt hang anywhere near a stock srt-4. i got a high 14 in the quartermile with 98 as my trap speed. i never seen a rx-8 with bolt ons or stock hit lower then a 14.6.

[orangekeebler]

I feel bad for the guys you raced.

Time to find somepeople who can drive such a high winding motor. It's not for everyone...

People who are hardasses have gotten low 14s out of that car so in the end its going to be driver mod.

And there is a HUGE difference between the autos, the 5 spds and the 6spds..

dude, i know you are generally on point with what you say, but im sorry..you are wrong in this one.

an rx-8 will need a LOT of work to even be near a stock srt-4. its just the way it is. nothing against the car, or those who own them..but the car is severely lacking in a few categories. straight line speed/accel. being one of them. a stock srt-4 would even give a turboed rx-8 a good run...probably lose, but a good run. its just the way things are man.

and the people i raced knew how to drive..so its not the driver error here.

[Leebunnyz]

dude, i know you are generally on point with what you say, but im sorry..you are wrong in this one.

an rx-8 will need a LOT of work to even be near a stock srt-4. its just the way it is. nothing against the car, or those who own them..but the car is severely lacking in a few categories. straight line speed/accel. being one of them. a stock srt-4 would even give a turboed rx-8 a good run...probably lose, but a good run. its just the way things are man.

and the people i raced knew how to drive..so its not the driver error here.

+1 :giggitygiggity:

[big18g]

+2 :shady:

[limesour67]

sounds about right to me!

[big18g]

lol..thats only cause the neon won you fanboi:laughing:

[limesour67]

ohh lord!!! here we go again.......

[big18g]

:drink:

[limesour67]

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[TSimage]

dude, i know you are generally on point with what you say, but im sorry..you are wrong in this one.

an rx-8 will need a LOT of work to even be near a stock srt-4. its just the way it is. nothing against the car, or those who own them..but the car is severely lacking in a few categories. straight line speed/accel. being one of them. a stock srt-4 would even give a turboed rx-8 a good run...probably lose, but a good run. its just the way things are man.

and the people i raced knew how to drive..so its not the driver error here.

I'm just going by the stuff I have seen out here at the track. In general RX8s are horribly DRIVEN cars. They arne't as slow as their horrible drivers drive them.

There is a reason some have gone mid 14s and most go 15s. The car is hard as hell to drag. It's not built ot be drag raced...

We have a guy out here that has a 20b swap so the whole idea of SRT4s keeping up with him in any fashion or form is out the window but when he started off he was running 14.6s and with slicks he popped off a 14.3. There is a RX crew out here full of RX/7s mainly but a couple 3s and 8s and what nots that roll to our track at least once a month or every other month.

I'm not arguing the RX8 is a faster straightline car because it isn't built for that, but what I am saying is it isn't nearly as slow as you have been witnessing it being. Run into the right guy at the right point of time, add people to the car and you have a close race, not saying you'd lose but the RX8 wont have buslengths put on him.

Its a long spread but if you check out any RX8 forum you'll see a bunch of people running mid 14s stock, then you'll see people crying that they can't get into the 14s... :dontknow:

Not bad looking cars neither. :thumbsup:

Oh well, just glad I don't drive one, I couldn't imagine losing to an SRT4, Since they have been out I never have. We have a 35r SRT4 tuned by FFTec out here (the guys my next build will be coming from) he wants to run but wont go from a dig (figures)

I looked at him and asked "WTF would it prove.. we'll end up back here at the track and it will be an entirely different race..." He agreed *reasonable SRT4 owner with a 35r FTMFW!* so we'll be doing a run from a dig and then a roll. Should be fun. :thumbsup:

[Broken5hifT]

he cant drive..sorry. a stock srt-4 should/could/would wax the floor with a simple bolt on rx-8.

this thread should have been locked and the key thrown away after this post was made.

[Broken5hifT]

You are comparing a mid 14s car vs a low 14s car. Not much of a difference especially with 2 passengers in his car. So yeah the race was about right, especially from a dig.

srt-4's average a 14, RX8's average a 15. a second difference even with a shitty driver is huge


like keebler says, i usually dont dissagree with you but from toying around in a friends rx8 i cant see the comparison your making. bolt ons wont get the rx8 near the srt-4, like stated earlier, boost needs boost.

[Darksun280]

since no ones helping out the rx-8 I gotta be a gun for hire....

Rx-8 is mad nice yo. RWD. Mad nice interior. Auto-x and all that. Resale value is bananas. fuck srt-4s are mad shit yo. Interiors look like ass. TQ is over rated. fuck a skittle!!!!!























Now some one paypal me 15 dollars for my services......

[Broken5hifT]

since no ones helping out the rx-8 I gotta be a gun for hire....

Rx-8 is mad nice yo. RWD. Mad nice interior. Auto-x and all that. Resale value is bananas. fuck srt-4s are mad shit yo. Interiors look like ass. TQ is over rated. fuck a skittle!!!!!

Now some one paypal me 15 dollars for my services......

the rx8 better have a nice interior so you have something to look at while its taking forever to get down the quarter mile track

[orangekeebler]

the rx8 better have a nice interior so you have something to look at while its taking forever to get down the quarter mile track

an rx8 should race an rsx, so they both stare at the others interior the whole race and put both of their cars into the wall before the 1/8 mile.

[Darksun280]

an rx8 should race an rsx, so they both stare at the others interior the whole race and put both of their cars into the wall before the 1/8 mile.

I don't know Keebs the force is strong with that rsx interior. The Rx-8 won't be able to withstand that kinda of Raw interior power for long......

[Darksun280]

the rx8 better have a nice interior so you have something to look at while its taking forever to get down the quarter mile track
And they can also take advantage of that killer MPG they get while there doing it. Its a win win if you ask me.

[TSimage]

srt-4's average a 14, RX8's average a 15. a second difference even with a shitty driver is huge


like keebler says, i usually dont dissagree with you but from toying around in a friends rx8 i cant see the comparison your making. bolt ons wont get the rx8 near the srt-4, like stated earlier, boost needs boost.

Well you agreed with me according to your post. He said there is a 2 second difference, which there is not. As I mentioend earlier a High 14s car (to upper mid if you are lucky, but I agree on higher 14s on average) vs a low 14s car on average with 2 people in it from a dig RWD vs FWD...

The race sounds good to me.

[orangekeebler]

Well you agreed with me according to your post. He said there is a 2 second difference, which there is not. As I mentioend earlier a High 14s car (to upper mid if you are lucky, but I agree on higher 14s on average) vs a low 14s car on average with 2 people in it from a dig RWD vs FWD...

The race sounds good to me.

for some reason i was thinking the rx8 was a 16 sec. car when i made that first post, but then realized it was a 15 second car..so yeah, my mistake on that one.

but tsi..dude..trust me..the srt should have walked away from this guy, even with passengers..it doesnt matter.

[TSimage]

for some reason i was thinking the rx8 was a 16 sec. car when i made that first post, but then realized it was a 15 second car..so yeah, my mistake on that one.

but tsi..dude..trust me..the srt should have walked away from this guy, even with passengers..it doesnt matter.

A quick peak on RX-8Club and looks like people with his mids are doing mid to low 14s.. Race get more and more probable the more I revisit the facts..

I'm sure the norm for his mods are mid 14s and the same freaksw ho were running mids to begin with are the guys running less.

[Broken5hifT]

Well you agreed with me according to your post. He said there is a 2 second difference, which there is not. As I mentioend earlier a High 14s car (to upper mid if you are lucky, but I agree on higher 14s on average) vs a low 14s car on average with 2 people in it from a dig RWD vs FWD...

The race sounds good to me.

i have to disagree with you on the "it would be a close race part", even from a dig. Im not just posting to bash the rx8 i just honestly dont believe the rx8 has what it takes to stay "close" to an srt-4. a second difference on the track may not seem like much but on the highway that a few car lengths. i might be over analyzing things though.

i think what im trying to get across is that it was a good race, but the rx8 wont catch the srt-4 unless its boosted, especially on the highway.

also keep in mind the srt-4 is putting the 14 second times up because most people cant launch them. a dig cs a roll against an srt-4 is night and day. at the track they may be a second off give or take a few tenths but on a highway the rx8 wont even be within a bus length. that i can promise from experience

[TSimage]

i have to disagree with you on the "it would be a close race part", even from a dig. Im not just posting to bash the rx8 i just honestly dont believe the rx8 has what it takes to stay "close" to an srt-4. a second difference on the track may not seem like much but on the highway that a few car lengths. i might be over analyzing things though.

i think what im trying to get across is that it was a good race, but the rx8 wont catch the srt-4 unless its boosted, especially on the highway.

also keep in mind the srt-4 is putting the 14 second times up because most people cant launch them. a dig cs a roll against an srt-4 is night and day. at the track they may be a second off give or take a few tenths but on a highway the rx8 wont even be within a bus length. that i can promise from experience

You are saying this as in a pure RX8 vs SRT4 battle.. This is a modded RX8 vs a stock SRT4 with 3 people in it..

Does that help you to register better..

Modded RX8 vs SRT4 + 400lbs..

[Broken5hifT]

You are saying this as in a pure RX8 vs SRT4 battle.. This is a modded RX8 vs a stock SRT4 with 3 people in it..

Does that help you to register better..

Modded RX8 vs SRT4 + 400lbs..

"modded" is a loose term. do you really think bolt ons will help a N/A car that much? keep in mind a lot of fat people drive srt-4's. so three skinny people might = 1 fat guy and his skinny ugly bitch

also, not to knock the original poster, but his "mods" arent exactly power mods, nor are there many of them

[SE3P]

true most of them are not power mods but i am street tuned all the way to 9300rpms. im not running on the stock overly riched out fuel maps that stop making power when your close to the stock 9000rpm redline. im going back probably in a week or two to get an even better tune after i get my custom intake made.

[Danish]

I'm gonna have to agree with Keebler, as someone already stated, 2 second between them stock vs. stock is a bit of an exaggeration..Stock RX8 at best is running 14.6-14.8, SRT4 13.6-13.8...if we're going to take averages I would say low 14's vs. low 15's so it's really only a second in the 1/4 mile however, the SRT would absolutely walk the RX8 once it gets traction...we are talking about a 5-7mph difference in traps stock. And as already stated, bolt ons do next to nothing for the RX8.

Good runs though, always fun to share experiences.

[Danish]

No the SRT4 is a mid-low 14s car, the RX8 is a high to mid 14s car stock too.

Nah...the RX8 is not much faster stock for stock than a RSX-S...a SRT4 is easily a low 14s car, and has been proven to hit 13s stock with a good driver. They also trap ~100mph stock where as the RX8 only traps mid 90s stock.

I have no idea wtf anyone is talking about above me, but the OPs RX8 vs a SRT4 with 2 passengers is a drivers race. RX8s are not easy cars to drive so I'm not surprised he lost.

I'm not sure what you're talking about but the original post states there is a passenger in the RX8 and none in the SRT4...which makes this less believeable.

My cuzin and i got bored last nite so we decided to race each other. He has an srt4 with just an intake i think..I had my brother with me and he was by himself. The First time i launched on him but by third gear he had half a car on me. The second time i didnt catch grip and his launch was perfect. that time he beat me by a car and a half.
I think i did ok considering the first time we raced he had 2 more ppl in the car with him and i was by myself. that time he beat me by 2 cars though. i had less mods back then though. Yea i lost but eh i kinda was expecting it since hes turbo and im N/A. Tell me what ya think. did i do ok or could i have done better.



8>4 DUH!

I don't get it :dontknow:

[10minutes]

From a dig, race can go in so many different ways. But stock RX-8 can run mid 14s, I have seen it by myself even though it's rare.

[05Aucrarsx]

only reason i came in was the Srt4 title

[Broken5hifT]

only reason i came in was the Srt4 title

damn straight

[TSimage]

Nah...the RX8 is not much faster stock for stock than a RSX-S...a SRT4 is easily a low 14s car, and has been proven to hit 13s stock with a good driver. They also trap ~100mph stock where as the RX8 only traps mid 90s stock.


the SRT 4 traps 98-100. the RX8 traps 95/96 on average. Rememebr one is RWD the other is FWD. traps from a FWD car are garbage and should never be aplied to a car built on a superior platform. You have to remember FWDs will ALWAYS post higher Traps due to traction loss



I'm not sure what you're talking about but the original post states there is a passenger in the RX8 and none in the SRT4...which makes this less believeable.



I think i did ok considering the first time we raced he had 2 more ppl in the car with him and i was by myself. that time he beat me by 2 cars though. i had less mods back then though. Yea i lost but eh i kinda was expecting it since hes turbo and im N/A. Tell me what ya think. did i do ok or could i have done better.

Now I can't say which part of his comments hold water but if it is indeed a 3 -1 passenger difference in a car only marginally faster, it makes sense.

Period. The spread between the 2 cars aren't enough that it would matter.. adding that much weight to a already slow FWD car is only going to make it slower.

[carnage]

When my car was new, I ran an RX8 at the track one night. He murdered me out of the hole, but I was back on him in no time. I have no idea what the mods were on his car, if there even were any, but by the end of the 1/4 mile, it wasn't even close. I trapped around 101 and ran low 14's.

Something about the RX8 that I like, though. It's odd. The cars look kind of like the car is made out of a parts bin, but for some reason, I think it looks good. It's one of the cars I looked at before buying the neon.

The burning oil thing about them scared the hell out of me. In hindsight, I'm glad I didn't get one, because I had no idea how hard they were to make quick.

I like the interiors on them better than the RSX. If they just had a little more power and didn't have the oil burning thing, I'd be driving one right now.

[TSimage]

They are gorgeous cars for what they are and they are built for driving on a track, not a straightline. Hense going N/A instead of boosted. But the 20bs are rediculous and goes are making 500-600-700whp with those things in the light agile body of the RX8 they are beast..

[05Aucrarsx]

saw this POS earlier in the mall parking lot

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j31/05acurarsx/RSX/POS2.jpg

[orangekeebler]

saw this POS earlier in the mall parking lot

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j31/05acurarsx/RSX/POS2.jpg

youre just mad it would smoke you :laughing::p

[Ktec]

dude..your rx8 is around 2 full seconds slower in a drag race than an srt-4. and the srt-4 is trapping well above your rx8 as well..he cant drive, or he was just messing around. go to the road course/auto-x if you want to tear him up.

:rotfl::rotfl: at srt fanboi.. since when do even STOCK rx8s run 15.9??? your a total douche. end

[orangekeebler]

:rotfl::rotfl: at srt fanboi.. since when do even STOCK rx8s run 15.9??? your a total douche. end

hey..dumbass...i corrected myself later in the thread. kthxbi.

edit: but i like how you didn't bold the part about the trap speeds. :thumbsup:

[05Aucrarsx]

youre just mad it would smoke you :laughing::p

yea i know :(

[orangekeebler]

yea i know :(

its ok though..we all know he would be jealous of the van. i know i am. :laughing:

[limesour67]

only reason i came in was the Srt4 title

damn straight

U betta reconize!!!!!!!!!:chuck:

[limesour67]

:rotfl::rotfl: at srt fanboi.. since when do even STOCK rx8s run 15.9??? your a total douche. end

plizzz remove (fanboi) (ricer) (ricer flybye) from your vocabulary, it does not sound right coming from someone who drives a :vtec:


thank you very much
sincerely yours
:chuck:

[limesour67]

holy triple post shiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SE3P]

^^^ Dude i saw a blue srt with racing stripes that said "What... its only a neon" on its license plate border.

[bmwmr99]

No contest

[13bRotary]

wow i know this thread is old but man ive been reading and im like WOW! WTF
Everyone knows that an rx8 is not meant for drag now take that srt-4 and the 8 to a road track with mass cornering ( not drift) that 8 would blow the srt-4 or quite a bit of other cars for the fact out of the water
Ive owned a 350z and now own an 8 and i tell ya , ya the Z torque and power was awesome but the handling was nothing compared to the 8 the driver response from the 8 is crazy the 8 however is simple not ment for drag but on any street cornering or track its definetly the winner


srt-4 are nice but its still a fricking Cheap NEON

[04azuremach]

'88 Accord is the ultimate in performance in drag, cornering, drifting and picking up chicks.

[05Aucrarsx]

'88 Accord is the ultimate in performance in drag, cornering, drifting and picking up chicks.

werd

[drumnatural]

My first car was an 83 accord. Back then it was only good at picking up chicks.
85 was the first year it became drift king.
87 it also won the title of drag queen.

[13bRotary]

'88 Accord is the ultimate in performance in drag, cornering, drifting and picking up chicks.

lol:thumbsup:

[BlackSS]

87 it also won the title of drag queen.

But remember....that was only with the optional body "skirt" package that came from honda as an option.:D

[18psi]

wow i know this thread is old but man ive been reading and im like WOW! WTF
Everyone knows that an rx8 is not meant for drag now take that srt-4 and the 8 to a road track with mass cornering ( not drift) that 8 would blow the srt-4 or quite a bit of other cars for the fact out of the water
Ive owned a 350z and now own an 8 and i tell ya , ya the Z torque and power was awesome but the handling was nothing compared to the 8 the driver response from the 8 is crazy the 8 however is simple not ment for drag but on any street cornering or track its definetly the winner


srt-4 are nice but its still a fricking Cheap NEON

wow, a levelheaded rx8 owner:eek:...props to you for honesty man:thumbsup:
and yes, you are correct: rx8 handles very well, but shouldnt even be NEAR a drag strip

[orangekeebler]

wow i know this thread is old but man ive been reading and im like WOW! WTF
Everyone knows that an rx8 is not meant for drag now take that srt-4 and the 8 to a road track with mass cornering ( not drift) that 8 would blow the srt-4 or quite a bit of other cars for the fact out of the water
Ive owned a 350z and now own an 8 and i tell ya , ya the Z torque and power was awesome but the handling was nothing compared to the 8 the driver response from the 8 is crazy the 8 however is simple not ment for drag but on any street cornering or track its definetly the winner


srt-4 are nice but its still a fricking Cheap NEON

thats still faster than you. enjoy losing to a shitty neon much?

[18psi]

:laughing: look at keebs here still having feelings for those things:laughing:

[orangekeebler]

:laughing: look at keebs here still having feelings for those things:laughing:

:laughing:
cant help it man..i love the car. :chuck:

[SiMS]

That's because you love men and 1980's Chrylser engineering. The car is a POS rofl.

[Vietdragone4eva]

srt4>rx8 in speed/power

[04azuremach]

That's because you love men and 1980's Chrylser engineering. The car is a POS rofl.

And you're a joke.

[Gotboost98]

srt4>rx8 in speed/power

.............captian obvious here

[Gotboost98]

And you're a joke.

qft

[13bRotary]

ya the srt-4 in a straight line thats the only way it would win ! whoopdy fricking doooooooo!! srt-4 would never = the handle and driver response of an 8 and the looks!


sure it doesnt bother me at all that that cheaply made NEON that little girls own beat me! cause i dont drag anyways.

and ok when do half of the people on here talk about a drag racing and just doing on the street
for 1 its stupid to street race that how people fricking die
why dont you check the news about the 2 bmw m3 racing on sunset blvd that crashed into another car catching them on fire.

[04azuremach]

ya the srt-4 in a straight line thats the only way it would win ! whoopdy fricking doooooooo!! srt-4 would never = the handle and driver response of an 8 and the looks!


sure it doesnt bother me at all that that cheaply made NEON that little girls own beat me! cause i dont drag anyways.

and ok when do half of the people on here talk about a drag racing and just doing on the street
for 1 its stupid to street race that how people fricking die
why dont you check the news about the 2 bmw m3 racing on sunset blvd that crashed into another car catching them on fire.Drinking and driving kills about 200 times as many people as street racing...

[Gotboost98]

ya the srt-4 in a straight line thats the only way it would win ! whoopdy fricking doooooooo!! srt-4 would never = the handle and driver response of an 8 and the looks!


sure it doesnt bother me at all that that cheaply made NEON that little girls own beat me! cause i dont drag anyways.

and ok when do half of the people on here talk about a drag racing and just doing on the street
for 1 its stupid to street race that how people fricking die
why dont you check the news about the 2 bmw m3 racing on sunset blvd that crashed into another car catching them on fire.

sounds like it does bother you, since you had to put extra emphasis the fact it was a neon an that "girls" supposedly own it........not any males. Get your flame suit out

[18psi]

That's because you love men and 1980's Chrylser engineering. The car is a POS rofl.

srt4>rx8 in speed/power

are you guys related?:rotfl:

[18psi]

ya the srt-4 in a straight line thats the only way it would win ! whoopdy fricking doooooooo!! srt-4 would never = the handle and driver response of an 8 and the looks!


sure it doesnt bother me at all that that cheaply made NEON that little girls own beat me! cause i dont drag anyways.

and ok when do half of the people on here talk about a drag racing and just doing on the street
for 1 its stupid to street race that how people fricking die
why dont you check the news about the 2 bmw m3 racing on sunset blvd that crashed into another car catching them on fire.

well, i actually drove a friends rx8 last nite, had springs/18's/and a body kit on it, must admit, i really love how it felt: very well balanced and smooth as silk.
but thats about IT!!!
that thing was SLOW AS HELL, i mean ive driven some slow cars before but this one by far takes the cake:thumbsdow
going into high rpm is absolutely useless, as after about 6k the powerband is weaksause as hell. and for a car that gets absolute shit gas mileage, that is unacceptable. for an rsx to be slow is one thing, its economical and practical. for an rx8, its shit.......
and just stfu about the whole "not drag racing" thing, gee i guess you have to say that cause you're car isnt good at ANYTHING but cornering and a stock rsx will give you a run for your money. and is this the "auto-x" section? no, therefore we talk about straightline an dsometimes cornering performance....still doesnt change the fact that a srt4 would hand a rx8 its ass in a race.....and yes, i meant street race:rolleyes:

[04azuremach]

Road courses have straights too... I bet an SRT-4 would beat an -8 on a road course where you actually have to go above *gasp* 70 mph. Auto X is gay.

[Gotboost98]

well, i actually drove a friends rx8 last nite, had springs/18's/and a body kit on it, must admit, i really love how it felt: very well balanced and smooth as silk.
but thats about IT!!!
that thing was SLOW AS HELL, i mean ive driven some slow cars before but this one by far takes the cake:thumbsdow
going into high rpm is absolutely useless, as after about 6k the powerband is weaksause as hell. and for a car that gets absolute shit gas mileage, that is unacceptable. for an rsx to be slow is one thing, its economical and practical. for an rx8, its shit.......
and just stfu about the whole "not drag racing" thing, gee i guess you have to say that cause you're car isnt good at ANYTHING but cornering and a stock rsx will give you a run for your money. and is this the "auto-x" section? no, therefore we talk about straightline an dsometimes cornering performance....still doesnt change the fact that a srt4 would hand a rx8 its ass in a race.....and yes, i meant street race:rolleyes:
actually a rx8 will run circles around a type S in handling.

[Gotboost98]

Road courses have straights too... I bet an SRT-4 would beat an -8 on a road course where you actually have to go above *gasp* 70 mph. Auto X is gay.

road courses or circuit racing or bust. fuck Auto X

[Machina]

actually a rx8 will run circles around a type S in handling.

Yeah it will. :(

[Machina]

road courses or circuit racing or bust. fuck Auto X

Autox crew checking in. :mam:

[Gotboost98]

Yeah it will. :(
rx8's get around the track as fast as a e46 m3. I like rx8s but thats me. Just the motor in it has to go.
Autox crew checking in. :mam:
:p

[18psi]

actually a rx8 will run circles around a type S in handling.

i prolly didnt word it correctly. i never stated that an rsx could outhandle a rx8 in cornering, but WILL give it a run for its money in straightline performance.

[Gotboost98]

i prolly didnt word it correctly. i never stated that an rsx could outhandle a rx8 in cornering, but WILL give it a run for its money in straightline performance.

yo face

[18psi]

:confused:

[04azuremach]

nut in your mouth not in your hands

[ODUB]

they are closer than people are trying to make them seem. the RX-8 can go low 14's bone stock. i've seen magazine tests where they've gone 14.4. and that's bone stock, not counting bolt ons. neons are low 14 second cars, possibly busting a 13.9 here and there. stock neon to bolt on RX-8 should be a good race. the RX-8 is not a 15 second car...it just has a lot of 15 second drivers. just like EVO's and STi's. there are tons of EVO's and STi's out there running high 13's and even low 14's, and they are both 12 second cars bone stock. another good example is the vette Z06...every magazine i'd ever seen rated them in mid to high 11's stock, then somebody that can REALLY drive did a 10.9 in one bone stock. stock tires and all. slow drivers account for the slow RX-8's. not the car.

[ODUB]

Road courses have straights too... I bet an SRT-4 would beat an -8 on a road course where you actually have to go above *gasp* 70 mph. Auto X is gay.

no way in hell because the RX8 would pick up way more time in the corners, and have better corner exit speed, therefore it would be farther along in it's acceleration for the str8 than the neon would be. that would equalize the acceleration difference on the str8. another fact is that the RX8 would have higher cornering speeds throughout the entire corner. not just the exit. i suspect it would also have better braking performance and therefore be able to brake deeper into the corner as well. the only thing the SRT4 has a slight advantage on is straight lines. that advantage isn't big enough to make a difference if the RX8 is driven to it's full potential.

[JUANonJUAN]

:popcorn:

[CoLdSuN GSR]

I beat an rsx8 in my gsr back when I had it...after we raced I said to him "good run man but I bet my car cost what your downpayment was" :D Dont get me wrong rx8's are nice cars but they are slow and a well driven srt-4 and well driven rx8..the srt-4 is gonna win by a good ways.

[Ktec]

Drinking and driving kills about 200 times as many people as street racing...

driving domestic kills...because they are death trap tin cans.

FIVE STAR SAFETY FTW!!!!:evilangel:iptf:

[Gotboost98]

driving domestic kills...because they are death trap tin cans.

FIVE STAR SAFETY FTW!!!!:evilangel:iptf:

better get your flame suit on

[04azuremach]

driving domestic kills...because they are death trap tin cans.

FIVE STAR SAFETY FTW!!!!:evilangel:iptf:

I totalled two Fords and walked away without a scratch. Rode shotty in an Accord in a not so major accident and had tons of bruises and cuts that lasted for weeks.

[wesessiah]

after in depth scientific evaluation, via gran turismo 4... i pull the :bsflag: on threadstarters story... here are the results with similar mods on these cars to the threadstarters case...

rx-8
capri di amalfi track time: 4.10.508
las vegas 1/4: 13.9@105

srt-4
capri di amalfi: 4.22.503
las vegas 1/4: 14.2@101

with this very scientific irrefutable evidence, it is safe to assume, the threadstarters rx-8 should have dominated :laughing:

disclaimer: the yellow srt-4 was not used in these trials, because of providing too much of an advantage to the srt-4.

[Machina]

rx8's get around the track as fast as a e46 m3. I like rx8s but thats me. Just the motor in it has to go.

:p

I believe it. The RX8 is a hell of a handler. With less power they beat 350Zs stock around autox circuits. Plus, the e46 has a couple hundred extra pounds over the RX8. Honestly, if the RX8 had the F22 in it I'd buy it in a second. If the RX8 had the S54 in it... :love::love::love:

[carnage]

driving domestic kills...because they are death trap tin cans.

FIVE STAR SAFETY FTW!!!!:evilangel:iptf:

I hope that your doctor didn't circumsize you when you were born. I hope he just went ahead and chopped your dick off, because you don't deserve to have one.

[18psi]

after in depth scientific evaluation, via gran turismo 4... i pull the :bsflag: on threadstarters story... here are the results with similar mods on these cars to the threadstarters case...

rx-8
capri di amalfi track time: 4.10.508
las vegas 1/4: 13.9@105

srt-4
capri di amalfi: 4.22.503
las vegas 1/4: 14.2@101

with this very scientific irrefutable evidence, it is safe to assume, the threadstarters rx-8 should have dominated :laughing:

disclaimer: the yellow srt-4 was not used in these trials, because of providing too much of an advantage to the srt-4.
:rotfl:
I hope that your doctor didn't circumsize you when you were born. I hope he just went ahead and chopped your dick off, because you don't deserve to have one.

:rotfl:

[SE3P]

going into high rpm is absolutely useless, as after about 6k the powerband is weaksause as hell...

not mine. mines pulls till 9300:thumbsup:.

anyways this thread is old y you posting in it!!! lol. also Y are ppl always making fun of the srts? i like em and they can be made faster without spending alot.

[SE3P]

I beat an rsx8 in my gsr back when I had it...after we raced I said to him "good run man but I bet my car cost what your downpayment was" :D Dont get me wrong rx8's are nice cars but they are slow and a well driven srt-4 and well driven rx8..the srt-4 is gonna win by a good ways.

what did your gsr have cause ive beaten alot of em here.

[wesessiah]

not mine. mines pulls till 9300:thumbsup:.

anyways this thread is old y you posting in it!!! lol. also Y are ppl always making fun of the srts? i like em and they can be made faster without spending alot.

easy target like the rsx-s is.

too bad wrx sti killa doesn't really come around anymore... lol... he always found a way to work the srt-4 in.

[18psi]

not mine. mines pulls till 9300:thumbsup:.

anyways this thread is old y you posting in it!!! lol. also Y are ppl always making fun of the srts? i like em and they can be made faster without spending alot.
sure it "pulls" till 9300, but if you try to tell me you're making ANY even remotely decent power or torque up there you'll force me to laugh at you. judging by the mods you have listed, it is barely quicker than stock. hell, to get ANY performance gains out of them you'd have to go the forced induction route..
what did your gsr have cause ive beaten alot of em here.

i dont see this happening all that much unless you raced stock or i/h/e gsr's:o

[SE3P]

sure it "pulls" till 9300, but if you try to tell me you're making ANY even remotely decent power or torque up there you'll force me to laugh at you. judging by the mods you have listed, it is barely quicker than stock. hell, to get ANY performance gains out of them you'd have to go the forced induction route..

i never said anything bout torque so dont put words in my mouth lol. you get some power from i/h/e but not alot. Sadly your right about having to boost the 8 to make serious power which hopefully doing in 6 months:x: anyone wanna make donations? lol


i dont see this happening all that much unless you raced stock or i/h/e gsr's:o

well i race a friend that had i/h/e and hes catless on his gsr. he didnt do so well against me. the rest i dunno what they had. you gotta understand that most ppl here dont know what they are doing to their cars. they believe that just bolting on parts is all you need to be fast. i know very little ppl around here that actually build and tune their cars.

[orangekeebler]

no way in hell because the RX8 would pick up way more time in the corners, and have better corner exit speed, therefore it would be farther along in it's acceleration for the str8 than the neon would be. that would equalize the acceleration difference on the str8. another fact is that the RX8 would have higher cornering speeds throughout the entire corner. not just the exit. i suspect it would also have better braking performance and therefore be able to brake deeper into the corner as well. the only thing the SRT4 has a slight advantage on is straight lines. that advantage isn't big enough to make a difference if the RX8 is driven to it's full potential.

the srt-4 doesnt handle as bad as you think. is it AS good as the rx-8? no. is it so much of a variance that the rx-8 will blow it away on a corner? no.

the rx-8 IS a low 15 car. you've seen shit in a magazine? hey, good for you. we always knew you were a mag racing idiot, guess this proves it.

the srt-4's complete and unquestionable higher power output/torque is a distinct, and HUGE advantage in the straight line. yes, the rx-8 may have a higher exit speed, but it would do shit when the mph's keep climbing. the srt-4 will fall behind in a corner, and come right back out on top after the straight.

[Gotboost98]

the srt-4 doesnt handle as bad as you think. is it AS good as the rx-8? no. is it so much of a variance that the rx-8 will blow it away on a corner? no.

the rx-8 IS a low 15 car. you've seen shit in a magazine? hey, good for you. we always knew you were a mag racing idiot, guess this proves it.

the srt-4's complete and unquestionable higher power output/torque is a distinct, and HUGE advantage in the straight line. yes, the rx-8 may have a higher exit speed, but it would do shit when the mph's keep climbing. the srt-4 will fall behind in a corner, and come right back out on top after the straight.
mike actually it will. it gets around the track as fast the e46m3 which has a nice bit of power over it. So it actually handles better th an a e46 m3. The 350z gets around the same time as the rx8 as well.

Rx8 is a mid 14 second car as well in stick trim. Seen it many times at the track.

btw mike I luff you!

[18psi]

i never said anything bout torque so dont put words in my mouth lol. you get some power from i/h/e but not alot. Sadly your right about having to boost the 8 to make serious power which hopefully doing in 6 months:x: anyone wanna make donations? lol
alright, fair enough.



well i race a friend that had i/h/e and hes catless on his gsr. he didnt do so well against me. the rest i dunno what they had. you gotta understand that most ppl here dont know what they are doing to their cars. they believe that just bolting on parts is all you need to be fast. i know very little ppl around here that actually build and tune their cars.

well when you put it that way, it makes sense. ill give you that:beerchug:

[18psi]

how about this guys, both of my friends have the cars we are arguing about in this thread. i can ask them to race and record everything. then we will go up to highway 49 (twisties) and record another race and see if the rx8 indeed blows the srt4's doors off, ok?:)
both are decent drivers and both should agree to go through with this, so well see.....one thing i might point out: the rx8 used to have a turbo kit on it, a greddy turbo kit, now granted the greddy is a mild ass turbo kit but it still is f/i and makes a hell of a lot more difference on a rx8 than any i/e mods out there. ive seen them race, hahahaha, more like the rx8 get assraped without lubrication:rotfl: the srt4 is stage 2, and beleive me: dig or roll it was no contest. but ill get some vids (or try to ) for yall.:thumbsup:

[SE3P]

that would be cool! i would never get the greddy kit though. im thinking bout the esmeril turbo kit but we'll see what happens.

[Gotboost98]

how about this guys, both of my friends have the cars we are arguing about in this thread. i can ask them to race and record everything. then we will go up to highway 49 (twisties) and record another race and see if the rx8 indeed blows the srt4's doors off, ok?:)
both are decent drivers and both should agree to go through with this, so well see.....one thing i might point out: the rx8 used to have a turbo kit on it, a greddy turbo kit, now granted the greddy is a mild ass turbo kit but it still is f/i and makes a hell of a lot more difference on a rx8 than any i/e mods out there. ive seen them race, hahahaha, more like the rx8 get assraped without lubrication:rotfl: the srt4 is stage 2, and beleive me: dig or roll it was no contest. but ill get some vids (or try to ) for yall.:thumbsup:

ib4thisposterscarrapesthembothinastraight

[18psi]

qfmft :rotfl::laughing::beerchug:

[JUANonJUAN]

how about this guys, both of my friends have the cars we are arguing about in this thread. i can ask them to race and record everything. then we will go up to highway 49 (twisties) and record another race and see if the rx8 indeed blows the srt4's doors off, ok?:)
both are decent drivers and both should agree to go through with this, so well see.....one thing i might point out: the rx8 used to have a turbo kit on it, a greddy turbo kit, now granted the greddy is a mild ass turbo kit but it still is f/i and makes a hell of a lot more difference on a rx8 than any i/e mods out there. ive seen them race, hahahaha, more like the rx8 get assraped without lubrication:rotfl: the srt4 is stage 2, and beleive me: dig or roll it was no contest. but ill get some vids (or try to ) for yall.:thumbsup:

that'd be great ! in for vids :run:

[Gotboost98]

that'd be great ! in for vids :run:

me too but I dont give a shit about the srt4 or rx8 racing. I want to hear 18psi's car.........

[JUANonJUAN]

me too but I dont give a shit about the srt4 or rx8 racing. I want to hear 18psi's car.........

doesn't he drive an STI ? I'm kinda lost

[Gotboost98]

doesn't he drive an STI ? I'm kinda lost

nope not an sti. you were born lost:p:drink:

[SiMS]

mike actually it will. it gets around the track as fast the e46m3 which has a nice bit of power over it. So it actually handles better th an a e46 m3. The 350z gets around the same time as the rx8 as well.

Rx8 is a mid 14 second car as well in stick trim. Seen it many times at the track.

btw mike I luff you!

Man just let the retard sit in the stench of his brainfarts. You don't have to correct this dummy because he simply doesn't get it and never will.

[Gotboost98]

Man just let the retard sit in the stench of his brainfarts. You don't have to correct this dummy because he simply doesn't get it and never will.

You know this "dummy" as you call him happens to be a personal friend of mine. You can't always be right. Is anyone always right? I know I seldom make mistakes sometimes. Shit happens.

[SiMS]

You know this "dummy" as you call him happens to be a personal friend of mine. You can't always be right. Is anyone always right? I know I seldom make mistakes sometimes. Shit happens.

I dont care if he's your mother he still wreaks of Dumb.

[Gotboost98]

I dont care if he's your mother he still wreaks of Dumb.

....hes actually not. So because he made a mistake about a car takes away crediablity?

[orangekeebler]

mike actually it will. it gets around the track as fast the e46m3 which has a nice bit of power over it. So it actually handles better th an a e46 m3. The 350z gets around the same time as the rx8 as well.

Rx8 is a mid 14 second car as well in stick trim. Seen it many times at the track.

btw mike I luff you!

o rry?

ive personally never seen an rx-8 be anything more than a 15 second wondner.

[18psi]

doesn't he drive an STI ? I'm kinda lost

close, but no cigar:thumbsup::shady:

[orangekeebler]

Man just let the retard sit in the stench of his brainfarts. You don't have to correct this dummy because he simply doesn't get it and never will.

http://www.hacksaw.ca/uploads/comics/Captain_Canuck_artwork1.gif

[18psi]

o rry?

ive personally never seen an rx-8 be anything more than a 15 second wondner.

same here, but i cant speak for all of them of course. maybe some out there are mid to low 14 sec cars, but around here (cali) i sure as hell have yet to see one break 14's:laughat:

[orangekeebler]

same here, but i cant speak for all of them of course. maybe some out there are mid to low 14 sec cars, but around here (cali) i sure as hell have yet to see one break 14's:laughat:

agreed.

im not saying they arent a nice track car or whatever..cause they obviously are.

but how many are 1) tracked on a regular basis or 2) driven well

slim to nill.

[Gotboost98]

o rry?

ive personally never seen an rx-8 be anything more than a 15 second wondner.

Wouldnt lie to you :love:

What ive found the reason for people running shit times in them is driver mod. 14.4 is t he best time I ever saw. Most common ive seen though is 14.6-14.8
the people that get 15+ just suck at driving.

[Gotboost98]

same here, but i cant speak for all of them of course. maybe some out there are mid to low 14 sec cars, but around here (cali) i sure as hell have yet to see one break 14's:laughat:

owned by 91 octane lulz

[orangekeebler]

Wouldnt lie to you :love:

What ive found the reason for people running shit times in them is driver mod. 14.4 is t he best time I ever saw. Most common ive seen though is 14.6-14.8
the people that get 15+ just suck at driving.

eh..im not callin you a liar ben, but id have to see it to believe it.

even on a best motoring vid, it was clocking 14.9's at like 95 or some shit.

[Gotboost98]

eh..im not callin you a liar ben, but id have to see it to believe it.

even on a best motoring vid, it was clocking 14.9's at like 95 or some shit.

Oh I know I was just being a smartass there :p.
I love best motoring! But im going to have to say man I think those guys suck at drag, they dont really launch the cars just romp it from a dig with no rpms up at proper level. Now track racing they are :drool: I understand the see it to believe it thing though

[liL_Vicious559]

My XL-7 would spank both in the 1/4mile!! Wait nevermind J/K...lol:laughing:

[JUANonJUAN]

close, but no cigar:thumbsup::shady:

then, my best bet would be WRX :p right ?

[liL_Vicious559]

then, my best bet would be WRX :p right ?

he's just pulling your leg!! it's a STi.......lol

[Gotboost98]

then, my best bet would be WRX :p right ?
buzz
he's just pulling your leg!! it's a STi.......lol
buzz

[liL_Vicious559]

buzz

buzz

I'm awake.......:coffee:

[Gotboost98]

I'm awake.......:coffee:

:confused:

[liL_Vicious559]

:confused:

LOl...........

[18psi]

are you guys drunk?
lotsa confusion in the last couple posts:laughing:

[SE3P]

he said it was camry lookin.. im guessing the new subaru legacy?

[04azuremach]

People at MIR in RX-8's show up there with mismatched wheels and drag radials on the rear and usually run 14.8-15.2 with the drag radials. The first time I saw it I was expecting at least a 13 after the huge hype over them and the fact that it was on drag radials. I've yet to see better than 14.8 and it wasn't even stock. If they are capable of better, someone teach these guys how to drive them around here.

[18psi]

dyno of identical setup but on a 2.0L NOT 2.5L on a mustang (lower reading) dyno :shady:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/signet77/100_0780.jpg
for those that cant see, its 360whp/300tq...
on my car it should be a little less whp but a bit more wtq:thumbsup:

[18psi]

almost forgot, inside pic:
http://www.motortrend.com/photo_gallery/112_0611_39z+2006_bugatti_veyron+interior.jpg
its a little dirty but ill clean it tomorrow:laughing::shady:

veeetak hits at 6k:noes:
http://www.exoticcarspot.com/resources/_wsb_500x320_veyron06_inter2.jpg


engine bay right after i cleaned it:
http://vwkombi.com/photos/beetlemania-2005/Images/10.jpg

[TSimage]

same here, but i cant speak for all of them of course. maybe some out there are mid to low 14 sec cars, but around here (cali) i sure as hell have yet to see one break 14's:laughat:

Damn thats funny. We live in the city and there are local guys who have been running 14s since they first came out and one of them has a 20b setup right now running 11s. :dontknow:

LoL.. Silly billy.:run:

Who do you usually hang with around here?

[18psi]

well, right now since im married and dont have as much time, its usually just the sacforcefed guys and their meets. with the occasional shit load of friends gathering and going up to highway 49 for some twisties action or sac raceway for some straight line action...i dunno man, maybe in elk grove its much different, but around here the rx8 suck ass

[TSimage]

Lol... They aren't gods gift or anything but they are still nice cars. Horrible mpg though.

[13bRotary]

haha go to youtube and see a turbo s2k vs rx8 , the s2k is beating lambos and crap, then it races a nearly stock rx8 on a track and its pretty pathatic that the 8 is still right behind it cause most cars cant take the cornering or turns like the 8 handles it

now alot of yall are still missing the point i never said the 8 was a fast car hell a fricking civic going 135mph is that fast?
if ya look back i said the 8 isnt a drag car PERIOD!
but take it on the track it will match any car or better

look at the motor trend issue where they have the 8vs, audi , saleen and 350z
8 the lowest in power in a straight line cant win but on a everyday driving corning and track the 8 wins. ( i put that motor trend stuff and you tube cause people where talking about read the magazines and proof)

but oh well...............

[drumnatural]

The RX8 can hold it's own in the turns. But how easy are they to mod and how well do they respond to them?

[Gotboost98]

The RX8 can hold it's own in the turns. But how easy are they to mod and how well do they respond to them?

motor sucks swap in ls2 or 13b/20b
Elegant track car

[04azuremach]

If it's not an RX-7 and it's rotary powered, it's not worth talking about.

[Gotboost98]

If it's not an RX-7 and it's rotary powered, it's not worth talking about.

the rx8 is with a swap of lsx motor or 13b/20b swap. Then its :drool:

[13bRotary]

^lol, i guess i just have a 2 magical gerbils running in my engine and and its not rotary even though the rx7 stock with TT came with 255 hp and the stock rx8 is na 232 hmmm ok single greddy boost its to 280 wow wonder what a TT (IF) they made it for an 8 would do to the 13bmsp engine, the 13msp is still a young engine compare to the 13rew in the 7s not awhole lot of things are out for it yet if no ones ever seen rx8 run 13s yall should definently check out the ones in LA some of those guys have nothing better to do then just mod the 13b engine


dang i wish i had the money for a 20b swap that would be fricking sick, i just dont have the time or money for that kind of swap

[Gotboost98]

^lol, i guess i just have a 2 magical gerbils running in my engine and and its not rotary even though the rx7 stock with TT came with 255 hp and the stock rx8 is na 232 hmmm ok single greddy boost its to 280 wow wonder what a TT (IF) they made it for an 8 would do to the 13bmsp engine, the 13msp is still a young engine compare to the 13rew in the 7s not awhole lot of things are out for it yet if no ones ever seen rx8 run 13s yall should definently check out the ones in LA some of those guys have nothing better to do then just mod the 13b engine


dang i wish i had the money for a 20b swap that would be fricking sick, i just dont have the time or money for that kind of swap

...your comparing a boosted NA motor to the fact of a turbo motor factory, two cheap bolt ons would walk you silly in a 13b rx7. Apples to oranges it cost you far more to turbo your renesis motor. Props to sticking with the motor but its a hopeless motor .02. The 13b and 20b will always be in the end be a better motor. Lsx swap is great too. Where the fuck is raris in this discussion.....*plots to link him here*

20b would be a great swap. Btw I like your car ;)

[13bRotary]

20b swap, how bout this guy on the 8 forum who did a 2jz kinda hurts that he took the heart out of an RX type

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=131520&page=4&highlight=2jz

[Gotboost98]

20b swap, how bout this guy on the 8 forum who did a 2jz kinda hurts that he took the heart out of an RX type

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=131520&page=4&highlight=2jz

I actually lurk there but rarely post. I have to be honest thats like putting it into an s2k. Its to much power an tq for that chassis imho. Its to little of a car for it to hook up with it. Needs a longer wheel base. Its a waste of a 2jz.........:(

I looked at getting a white rx8 back in 04 an doing a 20b or a ls2 swap. Just couldnt justify ripping out a motor of a brand new car though. Didn have the drive to wait that long for some power.

[13bRotary]

ya ,but i can imagine that guy had to do alot of suspension work etc

i mean the 8 is already a near perfect 50/50 with that engine in it has to offset the balance

[Gotboost98]

ya ,but i can imagine that guy had to do alot of suspension work etc

i mean the 8 is already a near perfect 50/50 with that engine in it has to offset the balance

Its alright to throw it off a bit. The lsx swaps do. Ive heard mixed things saying 50/50 is not always best. Im not sure about that im not a suspension guru. But ive read it throws it off to 52/48 with a lsx swap.:dontknow: *waiting for raris I linked him here*:D He seems to be our residential guru.

[18psi]

absolutely.....many people dont realize that the rx7/8 engine weighs very little compared to other engines, especially the ls* v8. when you drop that in, you automatically give up a huge portion of the cars handling capabilities. granted, it still handles quite well and all, but nowhere near to how it does with its original engine.

[wesessiah]

i don't like these chimera cars either... i personally like making it fast with what it has, or possibly different generation transplant from newer/older models of the car, and if that's not feasible, the car isn't worth making fast... imo.

[18psi]

i do. 99% of people will tell you that the rotary engine is a complete tub of shit. i personally think its a tub of shit myself, ive had way too many friends with rx7's breaking down and not running properly every other week. im not just talking about abused/poorly modded engines either, im talkin 'bout even stock engines driven daily. now you swap an ls1/2/6 in it, and now you've got a much more reliable engine, shitload of torque, and more power than you know what to do with. its great. i LOVE watching ls* swapped rx7 vids, some powerfull ass cars...and the funny thing is, you dont lose that much gas mileage if any at all, since the rotary engine is a complete gas hog

[Gotboost98]

i do. 99% of people will tell you that the rotary engine is a complete tub of shit. i personally think its a tub of shit myself, ive had way too many friends with rx7's breaking down and not running properly every other week. im not just talking about abused/poorly modded engines either, im talkin 'bout even stock engines driven daily. now you swap an ls1/2/6 in it, and now you've got a much more reliable engine, shitload of torque, and more power than you know what to do with. its great. i LOVE watching ls* swapped rx7 vids, some powerfull ass cars...and the funny thing is, you dont lose that much gas mileage if any at all, since the rotary engine is a complete gas hog

the stock apex seals suck in the 13b. Replace them an its fine. the cars life is all dependent on its tune. They are fine with a great tune. Its all about tune in that car.

[The-S]

LOL @ thread.

SRT-4 will wax an RX-8. That should be common sense.

[wesessiah]

the stock apex seals suck in the 13b. Replace them an its fine. the cars life is all dependent on its tune. They are fine with a great tune. Its all about tune in that car.

i think a lot of people don't realize the inherent design of it causes it to burn oil, since some has to be used for the apex seals... i've seen a couple people sell them right after they buy them cause they think it's about to die from using oil, not realizing it's part of the design.

[BlackSS]

absolutely.....many people dont realize that the rx7/8 engine weighs very little compared to other engines, especially the ls* v8. when you drop that in, you automatically give up a huge portion of the cars handling capabilities. granted, it still handles quite well and all, but nowhere near to how it does with its original engine.

An ls1 is no heavy beast either (more then the rx-8's yes). I think they weight like 400lbs or so. That's pretty damn light for a 5.7L V8. All aluminum and "old" pushrod technology for the win.

[Gotboost98]

LOL @ thread.

SRT-4 will wax an RX-8. That should be common sense.
I know lol
i think a lot of people don't realize the inherent design of it causes it to burn oil, since some has to be used for the apex seals... i've seen a couple people sell them right after they buy them cause they think it's about to die from using oil, not realizing it's part of the design.
yup its sad
An ls1 is no heavy beast either (more then the rx-8's yes). I think they weight like 400lbs or so. That's pretty damn light for a 5.7L V8. All aluminum and "old" pushrod technology for the win.

qft its a very light motor for a displacement and power output

[13bRotary]

LOL @ thread.

SRT-4 will wax an RX-8. That should be common sense.


lol u havent been reading the thread

[13bRotary]

:rotfl: i think it's funny when people talk about the rotary engine when how many people have actually owned a car with a rotary engine , had mine f since it came out and never had any problems had recalls done but thats it check the oil regularly change the plugs, usual tune-up and thats bout it , its always the I HEARD STORY always , well i heard u can boost a geo and make it faster then a lambo????! anyone think that?

its when "ricers" dont take care of their shi* is why it dont last. man this stuff is commen sense change your oil check your fluids and know what the hell your doing to the car.

omg i hate ricers! they have no respect for themselves or their cars, i love all types of cars muscle, imports, exotic, etc but fricking ricers ,,,,,,, WHY?????

[orangekeebler]

motor sucks swap in ls2 or 13b/20b
Elegant track car

ls7.

fixed.

[Gotboost98]

:laughing:ls7.

fixed.

[Zissou]

yeah say hello to the CRSX Rotary GURU (thx to gotboost98)


good luck on a 20B swap; besides the 10k cost plus tuning and legalization, its still a complete 4 month PITA even for RX-7 guru's.

i ALMOST traded my base for an RX-8, then decided the RENESIS wasnt really worth it; its basically a slightly tricked out 13B 6 port, whopdee-doo. F/I is where its at for rotaries. i watched a local shop that does strictly rotaries work on an SA22C RX-7 slapping a 20B and FC TII tranny in; it was over 18 months of work, and when i mentioned an RX-8 chassis all i heard was basically 'uh, no'.

the LSx swap is popular, but mostly with 1st and 2nd gen RX-7's due to a lack of power, and a huge engine bay; for a 1st or 2nd gen its about 5k plus installation, and not that easy really. its also heavily frowned upon in the rotary community, and frankly, why not go buy a Camaro or Mustang in the first place?

I've had many RX-7's, all 1st and 2nd gens, all with over 150k miles and still ran great, turbo, S/C'd, and N/A; its all about maintenance and keeping the motor cool with a rotary, they use both oil and coolant as lubricant for the motor, overheating=rotary death. and as far as 'omg i blew an apex seal' thats usually because the car was sitting, carbon locked, for xxx months and wasnt properly decarbonized (ATF treatment saved 2 of my 13B's) before some idiot beat the piss out of them. also, a 20B requires shoving the tranny back 6 inches, extending the rad forwards (FB chassis at least) and a TON of other custom work, an FD is an even bigger challenge; you people dont seem to understand that an LSx or 20B swap is not just a direct transplant; its a major effort requiring a LOT of time, money, effort, and problems, otherwise i'd have a 20B 2,200 LB 1st gen that i'd smoke ANYONE in.

if your going to discuss or consider a rotary, do some research first; just because someone knows B16A tech doesnt mean shit to the K20A, and piston vs rotary is a COMPLETELY different world of theory and tuning, let alone maintenance, concept, performance, and integrity. the same goes for 12A vs 13B carb vs carb, 12A vs 13B carb vs fuel injected, and 13B/20B fuel injected vs 20B fuel injected or any other mix and match. if you havent OWNED and WORKED ON a rotary motor, i suggest you keep quiet on this one, in direct stock comparison, yes, the SRT-4 will win. but its nothing near an RX-8; FWD vs RWD, Turbo I-4 vs N/A rotary, weight, GEARING, etc; 2 totally different cars.

model rockets beat just about anything 0-60; that doesn't mean they're better than a Corvette.


Now on to 13B vs RENESIS 13B motors...

Well, that depends on the 13B block; multi-side port, FB 6 port (1st gen GSL-SE), 4 port from a 2nd gen Turbo II, or 4 port old-school carb'd 13B? The renesis is basically the evolution of the factory 13B 6 port from the '84/'85 fuel injected N/A RX-7's with one major change; side porting on the intake and exhaust. Side porting originated in a TOYO-KOGYO tuned 12A carbureted RX-3 (mazda's old name) for performance testing reasons and was dropped (presumably due to poor idle, hard starting, etc, same thing you get with a bridge-ported 13B motor or a side-ported 13B), eventually mazda would refine and work it out for the RENESIS, resulting in the higher flowing N/A motor we see in the RX-8 today. Its a high output, high compression, 1.3 liter twin-rotor side port motor, compared to the lower C/R motors in the 12A/13B N/A motors, which are more manageably turbo'd or supercharged, yet lack the superior side-port design and superior fuel injection technologies compared to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gen RX-7's.

What IS interesting is the potential and rumored upcoming release of the 16X 1.6 liter rotary, with a larger diameter eccentric shaft, stainless steel rotors, thicker steel housings in the rotor housing casts, and slightly less rotational mass, yet more rotor inertia, coupled with side porting and modern fuel injection, should see power figures close to small block V8 coupled with the high-revving potential of say a well-tuned B16A or 4G63, and then some.

BTW, i currently have a '85 GSL-SE body with an S4 Atkins supercharged 13B rotary motor and TII tranny, as well as an S5 Turbo II swapped '84 RX-7 with TII tranny. BOTH can and have beaten a stock (turbo beat a slightly modded) SRT-4 on the street AND the track, handling and sheer speed.

[Gotboost98]

he came :D

[Zissou]

...your comparing a boosted NA motor to the fact of a turbo motor factory, two cheap bolt ons would walk you silly in a 13b rx7. Apples to oranges it cost you far more to turbo your renesis motor. Props to sticking with the motor but its a hopeless motor .02. The 13b and 20b will always be in the end be a better motor. Lsx swap is great too. Where the fuck is raris in this discussion.....*plots to link him here*

20b would be a great swap. Btw I like your car ;)

i disagree, the 13B has far superior porting; swap out the high comp rotors for some 1st gen FB rotors (lowest compression ratio and highest weight=excellent boost potential and great low-end torque) and street-port it with I/H/E and ECU tuning; THAT would be my ideal rotary motor. 9500 RPM redline, TORQUE, and a modest 8 lbs of boost should net well over 350HP and at LEAST 330 TQ for 6k; still 4k short of ATTEMPTING a 20B swap, and a fresher, stronger, more opened up motor to begin with, and again, thats at a street legal and driveable 8 lbs of boost.

[Zissou]

lol u havent been reading the thread

dude if you have an RX-8 you dont have a 13B; you have a RENESIS; change S/N or get a '7 lol.

or trade me for my rx-7's

[wesessiah]

dude if you have an RX-8 you dont have a 13B; you have a RENESIS; change S/N or get a '7 lol.

or trade me for my rx-7's

guess this will be a good time to ask... why do i never hear of a 3 rotor engine swap from a cosmo to an rx-7?

[18psi]

:rotfl: i think it's funny when people talk about the rotary engine when how many people have actually owned a car with a rotary engine , had mine f since it came out and never had any problems had recalls done but thats it check the oil regularly change the plugs, usual tune-up and thats bout it , its always the I HEARD STORY always , well i heard u can boost a geo and make it faster then a lambo????! anyone think that?

its when "ricers" dont take care of their shi* is why it dont last. man this stuff is commen sense change your oil check your fluids and know what the hell your doing to the car.

omg i hate ricers! they have no respect for themselves or their cars, i love all types of cars muscle, imports, exotic, etc but fricking ricers ,,,,,,, WHY?????

im sorry, i have to disagree with you on the "it runs fine if taken care of properly" part....i've helped quite a few of my friends along with their project rx7's around here, and alot of stuff on them goes out of order even if taken care of properly and not raped on a daily basis...i suppose you have your opinion and i have mine, but i will tell you this: from my personal (not i "heard") experience seeing my buddy's go through rebuilds and fixing their cars, i can honestly say that an rx7 engine is MUCH more prone to breaking/failure than 80% of other cars.... hell, even the dsm's have less engine problems i might say.:thumbsup:
i guess well just agree to disagree...

[04azuremach]

Rotary... great concept, seldomly implemented successfully.

[18psi]

man, if i could rep you for that id do it 100+:run:
that is SPOT ON!!!!

[Gotboost98]

man, if i could rep you for that id do it 100+:run:
that is SPOT ON!!!!
fucker I brought him here :p

[18psi]

lol....i luff (or whatever the fuck you assholes call it nowadays) you too ben:laughing:

[Zissou]

guess this will be a good time to ask... why do i never hear of a 3 rotor engine swap from a cosmo to an rx-7?

WOW google 20B; there have been TONS done successfully, its just rather expensive and means a lot of down time as i clearly pointed out in previous posts, just like throwing a V8 in an EK9 chassis isnt a weekend project, a 20B swap is time and money. they are expensive, harder to find as the years go by, usually need some work, custom parts and bracketry, custom ECU, custom driveshaft, wiring, and the list goes on.


and as far as RX-7's breaking down, the 1st gens are 23-29 years old; averaging around 180k miles of poorly maintained use on a motor that NEEDS to be driven to burn off and kick out carbon buildup; the second gens dont fare much better, and the turbo 2nd gens usually dont last far beyond 180k anyways, most people fuck with them without doing a proper rebuild (1k) which should see them through another 50k miles problem free. the 3rd gens were plagued with boost and vacuum leaks, and very few mazda dealerships knew how to fix/maintain them properly; frankly (and basing my opinion on recommendations from many rotary performance shops and guru's) the best 'fix' for the 3rd gen RX-7 is a single turbo setup; the sequential system is far too complex for the average joe to tackle. no offense, but your friend with the RX-7 is probably an idiot when it comes to rotary tech and maintenance. a decarbonization with some fresh wires, plugs, and cabling would probably have saved a lot of headaches down the road if he'd have done it when he first bought the car.

i'll say it again, the rotary engines are NOT the same at ALL as a reciprocating; maintenance is far more critical, as is cooling and lubrication, but worked on correctly and maintained as they should be, a rotary is a unique experience in the automotive world that no other car can match. NOTHING feels as smooth at 9000 RPM's as a rotary.

[Zissou]

im sorry, i have to disagree with you on the "it runs fine if taken care of properly" part....i've helped quite a few of my friends along with their project rx7's around here, and alot of stuff on them goes out of order even if taken care of properly and not raped on a daily basis...i suppose you have your opinion and i have mine, but i will tell you this: from my personal (not i "heard") experience seeing my buddy's go through rebuilds and fixing their cars, i can honestly say that an rx7 engine is MUCH more prone to breaking/failure than 80% of other cars.... hell, even the dsm's have less engine problems i might say.:thumbsup:
i guess well just agree to disagree...

make, mileage, year, and model of said friends cars. also driving habits, condition of said RX-7's, and previous owners' admitted stories. most RX-7's have been thrashed; mine sure have been through the ringer. shit goes wrong with every car; these cars are all at LEAST 12 years old, and all 3 gens have their distinct issues (especially the 3rd gens) and were usually poorly maintained or taken care of to say the LEAST. also, if you dont intimately know the tendencies of a rotary motor (which is completely different from reciprocating engines) a very simple problem can manifest itself as catastrophic motor failure. for instance, a bad alternator can simulate the same effects as a shot fuel pump and/or injectors. another common 'problem' is dipshits having the compression tested at a local shop; there are special tools for determining rotary compression; it may show zero compression on a std test, and have, say, only a blown fuel pump (something i experienced early on) but goddamn near perfect compression.

taking on a rotary project car with no experience is like tackling refrigerator repair with only knowledge of how a washing machine works; its not the same thing, and most likely you'll probably, A: (replace more parts than necessary) or B: (fuck things up even more). i cant make enough analogies to explain what i mean here, this is like comparing an electric stove to a gas stove; sure they both cook, but not in the same way AT ALL.

[18psi]

well, just off the top of my head: my cousin owned a 3rd gen (93). bought it with 40k miles on it. it was immaculate: previous owner was an old guy, still had the original manuals and all that shit in the glove compartment. it was very good condition. granted, he didnt exactly drive it like a grandma: went out to cruise/street race every weekend, put some mods on it, etc...within 5 years of owning it, he put 14k into just replacing the broken parts and paying for labor. thats one example. there are tons more that people didnt even mod them or abuse them and random stuff still broke on them.


dont get me wrong bro, if i said they are unreliable in general perhaps i over exaggerated it a bit: but MOST of them, without being properly maintained from day 1, and mostly being abused, are NOT reliable nowadays unless you rebuild/maintain them around the clock. all that are available now are mostly high mileage/way used ones anyways, so you know what i mean. pretty much like a dsm: to have one built and maintained properly and operating at peak performance, you have to know ALOT about them and put large amounts of work into them. and as robby said before: they are SELDOM utilized successfully...meaning that there are some that are great, but mosly not so much...
hopefully this clears things up:thumbsup:

[CBodnar]

any rx-8 that's not turbo'd <<< most car's even bolt on honda's and turbo honda's.

rx-8.... 4 door sports car? lol
it's a little car for an 8 year old to soup up in need for speed to put a body kit on and all that garbage.
or... for a business man to drive to work and have fun with a decent handling car.

please do not try to race your rx-8 if it just has bolt on's. it's slow

[13bRotary]

dude if you have an RX-8 you dont have a 13B; you have a RENESIS; change S/N or get a '7 lol.

or trade me for my rx-7's

yes i knew that thx, but u did explain the theory of rotaries very well
it is a 13b look at the engine code on the 8 its a 13b renesis RE+ rotary engine nesis= new gerneation/genesis

13bREW=fd
13bRE= 8

but man you sure know your tuning about these engines , hell can i have some of that knowledge!!

[13bRotary]

any rx-8 that's not turbo'd <<< most car's even bolt on honda's and turbo honda's.

rx-8.... 4 door sports car? lol
it's a little car for an 8 year old to soup up in need for speed to put a body kit on and all that garbage.
or... for a business man to drive to work and have fun with a decent handling car.

please do not try to race your rx-8 if it just has bolt on's. it's slow

it pretty fricking sweet people keep comparing the 8 to a sports car!!! motor trend
car and driver hmm road and track any other's im missing
ya its not a high performance car
it doesnt have near perfect 50/50 or a redline of 9k 6speed standard SShifter
standard 4 wheel discbrakes rearwheel drive etc this thread is going no where ricers dont understand unless their enthusiast

[Zissou]

yes i knew that thx, but u did explain the theory of rotaries very well
it is a 13b look at the engine code on the 8 its a 13b renesis RE+ rotary engine nesis= new gerneation/genesis

13bREW=fd
13bRE= 8

but man you sure know your tuning about these engines , hell can i have some of that knowledge!!

what separates it from the 13B series of old is the side porting (aka periphery porting in 'oldschool' 12A/13B terms) which puts it in the same category as Mazda's racing rotary motors, the block and internals are interchangeably the same, but fundamentally different, like an LS1 compared to an LS7; its a whole new ball game.

[03ssmrsx]

any rx-8 that's not turbo'd <<< most car's even bolt on honda's and turbo honda's.

rx-8.... 4 door sports car? lol
it's a little car for an 8 year old to soup up in need for speed to put a body kit on and all that garbage.
or... for a business man to drive to work and have fun with a decent handling car.

please do not try to race your rx-8 if it just has bolt on's. it's slow

right.....
2004 Mazda RX-8 5.8 14.49 (6 speed) (MT Mar '04)
2005 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged, 6.1 14.4 (MT Dec '05)

[CBodnar]

right.....
2004 Mazda RX-8 5.8 14.49 (6 speed) (MT Mar '04)
2005 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged, 6.1 14.4 (MT Dec '05)

right...

All price's are brand new

GM STAGE 2=$400
Drop in filter=$20
2.8 pulley=$50

total is under $500 bucks. im at 250 or more to the wheels.

any rx-8 that put's $500 bucks in there car will not take me from a roll or stop. so ughh yeah. i win! :)

thanks you,
Chris

ps. thanks for the neg reg. cause i ohhh so care about neg rep's hahah keep em coming if you want. i can just disable it. my car is still faster than your rx-8. if you would like to meet me half way i'll meet up somewhere...

and also im sure the rx-8 can do a better time but most stock cobalt's are rated 205hp and 200lb/ft of torque and most are underrated and actually end up running 235hp on the dyno from factory. and also a cobalt can go 0-60 in 5.9 and 1/4 in 14.0 if your a good enough driver.

[BlackSS]

LOL at making fun of how slow an rx-8 is, then getting it pointed out to you that the car you own is just as slow.

Then LOL at you pointing out you HAVE TO MOD YOUR CAR in order to beat a car you originally said is slow, albiet its cheaper to mod your car.....but that doesn't make you smart. Yes, you're still dumb.

[Gotboost98]

right...

All price's are brand new

GM STAGE 2=$400
Drop in filter=$20
2.8 pulley=$50

total is under $500 bucks. im at 250 or more to the wheels.

any rx-8 that put's $500 bucks in there car will not take me from a roll or stop. so ughh yeah. i win! :)

thanks you,
Chris

ps. thanks for the neg reg. cause i ohhh so care about neg rep's hahah keep em coming if you want. i can just disable it. my car is still faster than your rx-8. if you would like to meet me half way i'll meet up somewhere...

and also im sure the rx-8 can do a better time but most stock cobalt's are rated 205hp and 200lb/ft of torque and most are underrated and actually end up running 235hp on the dyno from factory. and also a cobalt can go 0-60 in 5.9 and 1/4 in 14.0 if your a good enough driver.

check neg for slow car and ricer math

[SiMS]

check neg for slow car and ricer math

lol

[Gotboost98]

lol

YOU LOVE IT!:laughing:

[04azuremach]

I like this math better.

Buy a Mach 1. Pull a spark plug. BOOM 250 to the wheels :thumbsup: :shady:

[BlackSS]

I like this math better.

Buy a Mach 1. Pull a spark plug. BOOM 250 to the wheels :thumbsup: :shady:

One problem, OP's mom and dad wouldn't let him buy one. :rotfl:

[Zissou]

well, just off the top of my head: my cousin owned a 3rd gen (93). bought it with 40k miles on it. it was immaculate: previous owner was an old guy, still had the original manuals and all that shit in the glove compartment. it was very good condition. granted, he didnt exactly drive it like a grandma: went out to cruise/street race every weekend, put some mods on it, etc...within 5 years of owning it, he put 14k into just replacing the broken parts and paying for labor. thats one example. there are tons more that people didnt even mod them or abuse them and random stuff still broke on them.


dont get me wrong bro, if i said they are unreliable in general perhaps i over exaggerated it a bit: but MOST of them, without being properly maintained from day 1, and mostly being abused, are NOT reliable nowadays unless you rebuild/maintain them around the clock. all that are available now are mostly high mileage/way used ones anyways, so you know what i mean. pretty much like a dsm: to have one built and maintained properly and operating at peak performance, you have to know ALOT about them and put large amounts of work into them. and as robby said before: they are SELDOM utilized successfully...meaning that there are some that are great, but mosly not so much...
hopefully this clears things up:thumbsup:

they NEED to be driven often and at higher RPM's; also, the 3rd gens are legendary for boost/vacuum leaks, causing thousands of dollars of unnecessary repairs at idiot dealerships and shops.

[SRT-RSX]

any rx-8 that's not turbo'd <<< most car's even bolt on honda's and turbo honda's.

rx-8.... 4 door sports car? lol
it's a little car for an 8 year old to soup up in need for speed to put a body kit on and all that garbage.
or... for a business man to drive to work and have fun with a decent handling car.

please do not try to race your rx-8 if it just has bolt on's. it's slow

your car with just boltons is SLOW too. BTW watch out not to break that 300hp mark or your engine will go KABOOM! yay for slow cars and weak engines!

[Gotboost98]

your car with just boltons is SLOW too. BTW watch out not to break that 300hp mark or your engine will go KABOOM! yay for slow cars and weak engines!

LMAO@ join date an has two posts

What a post that was too hahaha cobalts FTL

[18psi]

they NEED to be driven often and at higher RPM's; also, the 3rd gens are legendary for boost/vacuum leaks, causing thousands of dollars of unnecessary repairs at idiot dealerships and shops.
true...every other week if he wasnt losing due to a vacuum leak or engine leek it was due to clutch going out or overheating problems:deadhorse:
lol, it got so bad that everyone in town knew his car not for how fast it was but how many times it broke during a race:mam:
your car with just boltons is SLOW too. BTW watch out not to break that 300hp mark or your engine will go KABOOM! yay for slow cars and weak engines!
lol
LMAO@ join date an has two posts

What a post that was too hahaha cobalts FTL

cobalts indeed ftl....fun little cars in the low to mid 200's whp....anything more and they suck ass and bite the dust

[SRT-RSX]

haha yeah I don't post much but I do appreciate all cars and really like reading up on the k20, what a nice engine. Some of the stuff these people post just amazes me though. I really like the looks of the cobalt SS/SC though but I would take the RX8 over it any day.

[Zissou]

true...every other week if he wasnt losing due to a vacuum leak or engine leek it was due to clutch going out or overheating problems:deadhorse:
lol, it got so bad that everyone in town knew his car not for how fast it was but how many times it broke during a race:mam:

lol


cobalts indeed ftl....fun little cars in the low to mid 200's whp....anything more and they suck ass and bite the dust

its boost or vacuum leak; not engine leak lol, that would be low compression, which would mean catastrophic engine failure. overheating IS an issue, hence intercooling and radiator upgrades are a must. the rotary shops around me suggest the simplest, best performing, and longest lasting solution to 3rd gen boost/vacuum leak and all other turbo issues is a single turbo swap coupled with a larger radiator and intercooler.

[JUANonJUAN]

check neg for slow car and ricer math

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::

[18psi]

its boost or vacuum leak; not engine leak lol, that would be low compression, which would mean catastrophic engine failure. overheating IS an issue, hence intercooling and radiator upgrades are a must. the rotary shops around me suggest the simplest, best performing, and longest lasting solution to 3rd gen boost/vacuum leak and all other turbo issues is a single turbo swap coupled with a larger radiator and intercooler.

well thats not a typo: his engine really did leak oil like no tomorrow. lol, one time he was supposed to race a camaro ss locally, as soon as he started the car and was bout to race, we noticed a big ass 1 foot in diameter puddle of fluid underneath where he was parked. told him about it, he's like: its ok it does that sometimes:ugh:
and as for the single turbo upgrade: ive also heard many times that single snail could fix all those problems, but he was to stupid to look into that and too broke from spending money keepin it runnig the way it was....lol, on a good day with everything running up to par, his best time at the track was a pathetic 13.7@101...thats with tbe, mbc, some sort of chip or something, intakes, and supposedly (stage 2 :rolleyes:) turbo's...something about ported and clipped. 6 puck clutch, low weight flywheel, and good nitto drag radials.....we laughed at him for ever about that till he sold it. hell, my friend in a high mileage wrx bugeye that was raped on a daily basis, running a weak ass vf22 turbo and not even fully tuned, managed to keep up to him from a roll and beat the living shit out of him from a dig.:o

[Zissou]

well thats not a typo: his engine really did leak oil like no tomorrow. lol, one time he was supposed to race a camaro ss locally, as soon as he started the car and was bout to race, we noticed a big ass 1 foot in diameter puddle of fluid underneath where he was parked. told him about it, he's like: its ok it does that sometimes:ugh:
and as for the single turbo upgrade: ive also heard many times that single snail could fix all those problems, but he was to stupid to look into that and too broke from spending money keepin it runnig the way it was....lol, on a good day with everything running up to par, his best time at the track was a pathetic 13.7@101...thats with tbe, mbc, some sort of chip or something, intakes, and supposedly (stage 2 :rolleyes:) turbo's...something about ported and clipped. 6 puck clutch, low weight flywheel, and good nitto drag radials.....we laughed at him for ever about that till he sold it. hell, my friend in a high mileage wrx bugeye that was raped on a daily basis, running a weak ass vf22 turbo and not even fully tuned, managed to keep up to him from a roll and beat the living shit out of him from a dig.:o

well, the motor was probably blown in that case, as well as much worse off than the avg 3rd gen; a stock 3rd gen should pull those numbers easily; let alone a 'modded' one. my buddy has an 11 sec street legal 3rd gen, granted he's done a lot of work to it, but the block, eccentric shaft, and rotors all have over 110k on them.

[SE3P]

check neg for slow car and ricer math

:rotfl:

[JUANonJUAN]

I can't believe we're still debating in this thread.

[CBodnar]

check neg for slow car and ricer math

oh i did. ohh that's right i don't have a rep anymore i took it away because too many people hate on the fact that i have a cobalt that is faster than some rsx's here with $500bucks in them. oh and also yeah i am right. thanks for trying to make fun of me but when the true facts come down I AM RIGHT.

like totally later dude!

[CBodnar]

oh wait hold up before someone post under me im sorry i forgot i just posted that. "it's an rsx forum" also "rsx is god of all car's" yup........

































































PHYSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[04azuremach]

14.5 is so fast OMG let me check my pants.

[18psi]

did you shit yourself?:ugh:
:laughing:

[Leebunnyz]

14.5 is so fast OMG let me check my pants.

Bro thats when he was stock, he's a stage 2 now. so he's got to be runnin 14.3's now bro! :thumbsdow

[18psi]

:rotfl:



:whoa:14.3???!!!oneoneoneoeleveneleven111!!:eek:
omg, ill just park my car then, no sense in racing:lostswimmer:

[BlackSS]

oh i did. ohh that's right i don't have a rep anymore i took it away because too many people hate on the fact that i have a cobalt that is faster than some rsx's here with $500bucks in them. oh and also yeah i am right. thanks for trying to make fun of me but when the true facts come down I AM RIGHT.

like totally later dude!

Dude, you are so dumb you don't even get it. We are neg repping you and making fun of you for making claims of your car that you have no proof of. All you are doing is guesstimating and going by what other people have done with the same stuff you have. THAT IS RICER MATH. You have a lot to learn about cars at 19 years old. Here's a tip....the gains you see on your cobalt forums are usually inflated and NOT the norm. Here's another tip.....some people actually lie about all their mods and their times and their hp...omg. Good for you, you have a car that is faster than an RSX is with the same amount of money put in it for mods. Although you've been called out TWICE in a couple threads regarding the fact of people with a nitrous kit running faster times that you will....that cost less than the $500 you put in. Conveniently, you've ignored those.

[Leebunnyz]

Dude, you are so dumb you don't even get it. We are neg repping you and making fun of you for making claims of your car that you have no proof of. All you are doing is guesstimating and going by what other people have done with the same stuff you have. THAT IS RICER MATH. You have a lot to learn about cars at 19 years old. Here's a tip....the gains you see on your cobalt forums are usually inflated and NOT the norm. Here's another tip.....some people actually lie about all their mods and their times and their hp...omg. Good for you, you have a car that is faster than an RSX is with the same amount of money put in it for mods. Although you've been called out TWICE in a couple threads regarding the fact of people with a nitrous kit running faster times that you will....that cost less than the $500 you put in. Conveniently, you've ignored those.

Case pretty much CLOSED.

[Gotboost98]

oh i did. ohh that's right i don't have a rep anymore i took it away because too many people hate on the fact that i have a cobalt that is faster than some rsx's here with $500bucks in them. oh and also yeah i am right. thanks for trying to make fun of me but when the true facts come down I AM RIGHT.

like totally later dude!

no you are hated on because you are a complete idiot.

[TSimage]

oh i did. ohh that's right i don't have a rep anymore i took it away because too many people hate on the fact that i have a cobalt that is faster than some rsx's here with $500bucks in them. oh and also yeah i am right. thanks for trying to make fun of me but when the true facts come down I AM RIGHT.

like totally later dude!

:stop:

[Gotboost98]

:laughing:

[18psi]

how old is he?

[Gotboost98]

supposedly 19

[18psi]

ahh.....well there you have it: he's still in the "omg im teh fasterrrrr" stage :)
cut him some slack, he'll already have it tough once he wants to go beyond that gm stage 2 power level...hell, i feel sorry for any cobalt owner that wants a significant power increase: those cars ARE NOT made to have over 280ish whp AT ALL without safety/reliability going to shit and what not....while the neon boys are blowing by the 300whp marker with minor boltons lmao.....srt4>cobalt as far as performance ANY DAY...sadly i like the interior and overall look of the cobalt a little more though:o
something about it appeals to me a little more since it doesnt scream " RENTAL CAR WITH A TURBO" lol

[CBodnar]

age: 19

and yeah whatever i post i find now sooo funny because it doesn't even matter anymore. stock for stock the cobalt beats the rsx that's how this all started. people saying the rsx could beat a cobalt stock for stock. no it's not going to im totally sorry. that is some harsh reality for some of you but STOCK for STOCK the cobalt will have the edge and should win vs. the god of all car's rsx type-s.

now we keep argueing about the $500 deal. let's argue about it all day long because one i haven't brought my car to the track with what is done yet so until then hush. and for the people who say oh this oh that with the rsx you have no proof ether.

<and my current post count is l33t so i win. i AM RIGHT! blah blah blah blah ahahahhaaha

[13bRotary]

for those who doubt the rotary engine and the 8 that can do 10 sec 1/4!!

however granted i know its not the orginal engine its still a rotary!!



http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=78088&highlight=turbo+kit

[04azuremach]

There is a picture of a Cobalt in the new Webster's dictionary next to the word 'homosexual'

[13bRotary]

There is a picture of a Cobalt in the new Webster's dictionary next to the word 'homosexual'

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[Leebunnyz]

age: 19

and yeah whatever i post i find now sooo funny because it doesn't even matter anymore. stock for stock the cobalt beats the rsx that's how this all started. people saying the rsx could beat a cobalt stock for stock. no it's not going to im totally sorry. that is some harsh reality for some of you but STOCK for STOCK the cobalt will have the edge and should win vs. the god of all car's rsx type-s.

now we keep argueing about the $500 deal. let's argue about it all day long because one i haven't brought my car to the track with what is done yet so until then hush. and for the people who say oh this oh that with the rsx you have no proof ether.

<and my current post count is l33t so i win. i AM RIGHT! blah blah blah blah ahahahhaaha

Seriously, who cares? even if you do beat a stock rsx with a stock cobalt, the rsx still leaves with the credibility of still being a nice loooking car. cobalt only leaves with the benefit of beating a slow car by a fender. not much to brag about there bro. chevy gave birth to a retarded son and didnt have the heart to throw it in the trash.

[JUANonJUAN]

Seriously, who cares? even if you do beat a stock rsx with a stock cobalt, the rsx still leaves with the credibility of still being a nice loooking car. cobalt only leaves with the benefit of beating a slow car by a fender. not much to brag about there bro. chevy gave birth to a retarded son and didnt have the heart to throw it in the trash.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[18psi]

age: 19

and yeah whatever i post i find now sooo funny because it doesn't even matter anymore. stock for stock the cobalt beats the rsx that's how this all started. people saying the rsx could beat a cobalt stock for stock. no it's not going to im totally sorry. that is some harsh reality for some of you but STOCK for STOCK the cobalt will have the edge and should win vs. the god of all car's rsx type-s.

now we keep argueing about the $500 deal. let's argue about it all day long because one i haven't brought my car to the track with what is done yet so until then hush. and for the people who say oh this oh that with the rsx you have no proof ether.

<and my current post count is l33t so i win. i AM RIGHT! blah blah blah blah ahahahhaaha
you are retarded. you make every one sick with your pathetic ass, "i bought a cobalt, im faster than an rsx":rolleyes: when your pathetic pile of shit is barely faster and its already going to your head..hahahaha, imagine if he had an actual significantly faster car, like say a srt4: he'd be like, "man i pull buslenghts on everything on the street".....19 year olds, their dicks havent grown big yet so they try to make up for it with the fastest car while having mush for brains and no money to actually afford a fast car:rotfl:

There is a picture of a Cobalt in the new Webster's dictionary next to the word 'homosexual'
:rotfl:true.....there are reference's in there about cbodnar too...something about "retarded fanboi homosexual"
Seriously, who cares? even if you do beat a stock rsx with a stock cobalt, the rsx still leaves with the credibility of still being a nice loooking car. cobalt only leaves with the benefit of beating a slow car by a fender. not much to brag about there bro. chevy gave birth to a retarded son and didnt have the heart to throw it in the trash.

:rotfl:
so true
:rotfl:
fanboi gets smoked by everything on the road. fanboi buys another slow car, and the .5 seconds of quickness goes to his head. fanboi fails to come to terms with reality. reality is waiting around the corner ready to pounce on the poor son of a bitch.
:rotfl:

[Gotboost98]

get off the floor an quit spreading your legs like a slut:run:

[SE3P]

get off the floor an quit spreading your legs like a slut:run:

:rotfl:

My rx8 vs srt4 thread turned into the bash on CBonar thread lol.

[18psi]

lmao..thats what happens when a stupid little kid who buys a cobalt comes in here thinking he made the upgrade of a lifetime only to be laughed at by us cause his car is still a pos, more of a pos in fact, than the one he got rid of to get it:rotfl:

[Zissou]

frankly i scoff at ANYTHING FWD no matter how fast it is... RWD FTW

[MatchbookSS]

Did you actually just use the word scoff in a sentence? What is this, the 18th century? Hahaha.

[18psi]

hush up yee scurvy knaves:shady::)

[MatchbookSS]

^^^Hahaha. WTF?

[SE3P]

frankly i scoff at ANYTHING FWD no matter how fast it is... RWD FTW

+1:thumbsup:

[18psi]

^^^Hahaha. WTF?

lol, iono: got it from some 1900's movie:mam:

[Zissou]

Did you actually just use the word scoff in a sentence? What is this, the 18th century? Hahaha.

ye'd be surprised, ye sassy lad; i scoff at many-a-car on th' roads what i be seein' :laughing:

[18psi]

fuckin irishman:run:
:laughing:

[Zissou]

fuckin irishman:run:
:laughing:

ach, ya dunna git me achent rait; i dunna be an aye-rishman, i be a scottsman! :rotfl:

nah d00d, seriously tho im Greek. but i do scoff at a LOT of cars...

[Gotboost98]

ach, ya dunna git me achent rait; i dunna be an aye-rishman, i be a scottsman! :rotfl:

nah d00d, seriously tho im Greek. but i do scoff at a LOT of cars...

x2:thumbsup:

[JUANonJUAN]

x2:thumbsup:

check neg rep for being the "check neg rep crew" lol
:thumbsup::wavey:

[18psi]

uh-oh
:popcorn:
:laughing:

[Gotboost98]

:squinty: check neg

[18psi]

oh noes:run::laughing:

[SE3P]

:rotfl::rotfl: :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
you guys are weird.. in a cool way:thumbsup: lol

[SE3P]

lmfao i just noticed i got repd on 01-03-2008 02:24 PM in this thread. thanx to whoever it was

[Gotboost98]

it was me I signed it gb98
edit nope I didnt do it on the third whoops lol

[SE3P]

i just got that one thanx!! some one else did too but they didnt sign it.



btw.... how do you get to rep ppl?

[JUANonJUAN]

i just got that one thanx!! some one else did too but they didnt sign it.



btw.... how do you get to rep ppl?

premium member FTW crew checking in :mam:

[SE3P]

MY LAME NON PREMIUM MEMBER FTL!!! lol

how do you get to be a premium member?..

yay im a premium member lol

[Zissou]

yes i knew that thx, but u did explain the theory of rotaries very well
it is a 13b look at the engine code on the 8 its a 13b renesis RE+ rotary engine nesis= new gerneation/genesis

13bREW=fd
13bRE= 8

but man you sure know your tuning about these engines , hell can i have some of that knowledge!!

16X=POSSIBLY new 1.6 liter side-ported N/A RX(?) model
13B RENESIS=RX-8 side ported N/A FE3S
13B REW=FD3S 3rd gen dual sequential ('twin') turbo RX-7
13B TII S5=twin-scroll single turbo FC3S RX-7
13B TII S4=single turbo early model turbo FC3S RX-7
13B S5/S4 N/A=non-turbo FC3S RX-7
13B GSL-SE=non-turbo fuel-injected FB chassis RX-7
12A GT-X=turbo 1.1L FB chassis RX-7
12A G/GS/GSL=non-turbo 1.1L FB chassis RX-7
12A SA=1979/1980 SA chassis N/A 1.1L RX-7

See also RX-5, RX-4, RX-3, RX-2, R100, and Mazda Cosmo/Cosmo Sport for further rotary info and history.

The RX-5 is one of my all-time favorite cars (as is the classic look, ride, and style of the SA and FB 1st generation RX-7's)
http://www.onkelhans.net/oldtimer/foto/mazda-1-gross.jpg

[MyCarGoesVroom]

16X=POSSIBLY new 1.6 liter side-ported N/A RX(?) model
13B RENESIS=RX-8 side ported N/A FE3S
13B REW=FD3S 3rd gen dual sequential ('twin') turbo RX-7
13B TII S5=twin-scroll single turbo FC3S RX-7
13B TII S4=single turbo early model turbo FC3S RX-7
13B S5/S4 N/A=non-turbo FC3S RX-7
13B GSL-SE=non-turbo fuel-injected FB chassis RX-7
12A GT-X=turbo 1.1L FB chassis RX-7
12A G/GS/GSL=non-turbo 1.1L FB chassis RX-7
12A SA=1979/1980 SA chassis N/A 1.1L RX-7

See also RX-5, RX-4, RX-3, RX-2, R100, and Mazda Cosmo/Cosmo Sport for further rotary info and history.

The RX-5 is one of my all-time favorite cars (as is the classic look, ride, and style of the SA and FB 1st generation RX-7's)
http://www.onkelhans.net/oldtimer/foto/mazda-1-gross.jpg

Does the arm out of the window mod produce a shift in the power band?