LS2 6M GTO vs. RSX-s Supercharged

[gearjammer]

Well, my car is pretty much finished. I am at 9psi JRSC with 274 whp and 183 ft-lbs coming off a mustang dyno. And it just so happens one of my buddies picked up a LS2 GTO a few weeks ago. I don't think I would do very well from a stop, but I think it could be interesting from a roll. I have seen a few GTO owners on here and thought maybe they would chime in. Let me know what you think.

[dudelikeduck]

IBOrangeKeebler :thumbsup:

[MatchbookSS]

I say it could be close. Stock LS2 GTO? From what speed?

From a dig, you're going to lose.
From a rol...it's going to depend on how well you drive your car, with the edge probably going to the GTO. But you're buddy may not know his car all the way yet, so...

But bank on the GTO beating you.

[TYPEzachS]

Well, my car is pretty much finished. I am at 9psi JRSC with 274 whp and 183 ft-lbs coming off a mustang dyno. And it just so happens one of my buddies picked up a LS2 GTO a few weeks ago. I don't think I would do very well from a stop, but I think it could be interesting from a roll. I have seen a few GTO owners on here and thought maybe they would chime in. Let me know what you think.

Hmmmm...If you can drive I think you would win. But, I know nothing about the GTO's or cars in general.
EDIT: Oh yea thats from a roll obviously otherwise You=owned:

[carguy]

How munch faster is the 6.0 than the 5.7?

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

Well, my car is pretty much finished. I am at 9psi JRSC with 274 whp and 183 ft-lbs coming off a mustang dyno. And it just so happens one of my buddies picked up a LS2 GTO a few weeks ago. I don't think I would do very well from a stop, but I think it could be interesting from a roll. I have seen a few GTO owners on here and thought maybe they would chime in. Let me know what you think.As long as VTEC kicks in, you are golden.

[dudelikeduck]

How munch faster is the 6.0 than the 5.7?

It's a noticeable amount of difference, if I recall correctly.

[TYPEzachS]

As long as VTEC kicks in, you are golden.

Duh!?!?! Were talking without VTEC. Thats practically like cheating.

[gearjammer]

As long as VTEC kicks in, you are golden.

Sweet! My VTEC kicks in at 3k rpm. I'm going to destroy that GTO! :dontknow:

[MatchbookSS]

^^^This may surprise you...but most of us are familiar with sarcasm.

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

Sweet! My VTEC kicks in at 3k rpm. I'm going to destroy that GTO! :dontknow:I think you should set your standards higher. Try going after F/A-18 jets. I think that might be a fair race.

[gearjammer]

ha ha ha sorry (my first thread)

Hey, how do you +rep?

[Gotboost98]

Well, my car is pretty much finished. I am at 9psi JRSC with 274 whp and 183 ft-lbs coming off a mustang dyno. And it just so happens one of my buddies picked up a LS2 GTO a few weeks ago. I don't think I would do very well from a stop, but I think it could be interesting from a roll. I have seen a few GTO owners on here and thought maybe they would chime in. Let me know what you think.
id just like to say THANK YOU FOR DYNOING YOUR CAR ON A REAL DYNO..:thumbsup:.jesus wish more people would than that dynapack an dynocell an dynojet bullshit. I think you are going to win GL.< <(I could be wrong but ill wait for the gto crowd for a final verdict) Get that thing to 10psi (find a ct autotensioner) an go show him whats really up
How munch faster is the 6.0 than the 5.7?
nice bit

[Ktec]

6.0 gto should be around 350 whp and run high 12's... if u have good traction i htink u can hang a little... btw why ur torque so low?

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

6.0 gto should be around 350 whp and run high 12's... if u have good traction i htink u can hang a little... btw why ur torque so low?Because Hondas have no torque to begin with. And plus S/C's produce less torque than turbos typically.

[gearjammer]

6.0 gto should be around 350 whp and run high 12's... if u have good traction i htink u can hang a little... btw why ur torque so low?

Parasitic loses? I'm not really sure why its low...but I thought it was normal for supercharged K20's.....they don't get tons of torque like the turbos...I don't really know the reason....anyone?

[Gotboost98]

6.0 gto should be around 350 whp and run high 12's... if u have good traction i htink u can hang a little... btw why ur torque so low?

stop focusing on peak power an tq, look at net tq.

[Ktec]

oh ok i was just used to turbo hp and tq figures... i thought S/C have more Tq that turbo but i guess not.

anyways the GTO is super heavy but powerfull motor trend did a 13.3 1/4mile with it BTW ... i htink u can hang if not beat it

[fuzzyjenkins]

When I just glanced at the title of this thread I didn't see the SUPERCHARGED and LOL'd...I was like YEAH RIGHT haha..

Anyway, from a roll it'll be close but from a dig you're screwed. Plus the 6.0 has a pretty good top end so....Who knows? Let us know the result, yo.

[Gotboost98]

oh ok i was just used to turbo hp and tq figures... i thought S/C have more Tq that turbo but i guess not.

anyways the GTO is super heavy but powerfull motor trend did a 13.3 1/4mile with it BTW ... i htink u can hang if not beat it

ET means nothing from a roll, its trap speed dependent. the rsx should be trapping 107-108 with 9psi. If I recall correctly the 6.0 Traps same. Wait for final verdict from the Goat owners. Im not very familar with the gto's gearing. Rsx S probably has gearing in favor

[MatchbookSS]

Like I said before, it's going to be close....but those LS2 GTO's pull hard. Stock. I drove my old Gunny's, and the thing was bad ass. I can't imagine what mods would do for it.

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

Like I said before, it's going to be close....but those LS2 GTO's pull hard. Stock. I drove my old Gunny's, and the thing was bad ass. I can't imagine what mods would do for it.My friend's GTO with just exhaust pulls like a mother. I couldn't imagine a S/C RSX beating it from a dig or roll.

[fuzzyjenkins]

Well imagine the 6.0 GTO to be a C5 Corvette with an extra 300 pounds...

At least...Thats what I've been told. I've never checked the stock weight on one of those...

EDIT: 3785 pound curb weight? Yee gads! What a fat ass.......I bet you have more than a fair chance.

[Gotboost98]

Hell we dont even know if this gto is stock. blah, Where at the gto owners, WAKE UP!

[gearjammer]

Hell we dont even know if this gto is stock. blah, Where at the gto owners, WAKE UP!

Yes, it is stock....and I think its blue!

[MatchbookSS]

My friend's GTO with just exhaust pulls like a mother. I couldn't imagine a S/C RSX beating it from a dig or roll.

From a roll...it'll be close, like a said...driver dependent I'm thinking. From a dig, well, that's obvious. The RSX could be making more power and it would still lose just from traction issues. But since I ridden in both a 9psi RSX and a stock GTO, I'll say it's close from a roll with the GTO having the edge. Man, I keep repeating myself.

[fuzzyjenkins]

Only thing I'd be afraid of from a stock GTO is torque...

If the GTO isn't stock....:ugh:

[fuzzyjenkins]

Yes, it is stock....and I think its blue!

Blue adds 50whp :thumbsup:

[MatchbookSS]

Phantom Black with the red interior looks the best.

[liL_Vicious559]

Well, my car is pretty much finished. I am at 9psi JRSC with 274 whp and 183 ft-lbs coming off a mustang dyno. And it just so happens one of my buddies picked up a LS2 GTO a few weeks ago. I don't think I would do very well from a stop, but I think it could be interesting from a roll. I have seen a few GTO owners on here and thought maybe they would chime in. Let me know what you think.

Who knows:ugh:Maybe you might come out on top! That's my pick, but GL on the race!! :thumbsup:
How munch faster is the 6.0 than the 5.7?

quite a bit actually. 5.7GTO's were high 13/ low 14sec cars. Traction was a big issue with those Goats I know the 6.0's can pull off a high 12 but average is around low 13's

[fuzzyjenkins]

Phantom Black with the red interior looks the best.

QFT.

Almost got one of those before I got my RSX....The GTO was 3 grand more. Drove them back to back and the next day the GTO had been sold so I got the RSX.

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

From a roll...it'll be close, like a said...driver dependent I'm thinking. From a dig, well, that's obvious. The RSX could be making more power and it would still lose just from traction issues. But since I ridden in both a 9psi RSX and a stock GTO, I'll say it's close from a roll with the GTO having the edge. Man, I keep repeating myself.My friend used to own a S/C'ed RSX-S. Put down like 305 whp or something. Did not pull as hard as a GTO from a roll.

[gearjammer]

Well, I will have to give it my best shot and let you guys know how it turns out. Check back early next week.

[fuzzyjenkins]

This could be a good race...Take a good video camera!!!!

[MatchbookSS]

QFT.

Almost got one of those before I got my RSX....The GTO was 3 grand more. Drove them back to back and the next day the GTO had been sold so I got the RSX.

Damn...that sucks...Huge difference in the cars though...hahaha. I mean..."GTO or RSX...hmmm"...that's a question for ya, huh?

My friend used to own a S/C'ed RSX-S. Put down like 305 whp or something. Did not pull as hard as a GTO from a roll.

Definitely a different feel pulling in a FWD and a RWD car....GTO has got way more torque to notice though too...could have been driver/passenger perception...but I'd say they're pretty close.

[Gotboost98]

Who knows:ugh:Maybe you might come out on top! That's my pick, but GL on the race!! :thumbsup:


quite a bit actually. 5.7GTO's were high 13/ low 14sec cars. Traction was a big issue with those Goats I know the 6.0's can pull off a high 12 but average is around low 13's

people are pulling off mid 13s, tapping mid lowish 13s in the 5.7 alone. high 13s and 14s need to end there life in a 5.7 gto :laughing:

[liL_Vicious559]

My friend used to own a S/C'ed RSX-S. Put down like 305 whp or something. Did not pull as hard as a GTO from a roll.

judging off from a butt dyno isn't consistent! I drove a car that felt way faster than another car, but in reality it wasn't! Plus RWD>FWD, A V6 or V8 feels more linear than a Turbo/Supercharged car. That's also a downfall

[Gotboost98]

My friend used to own a S/C'ed RSX-S. Put down like 305 whp or something. Did not pull as hard as a GTO from a roll.

jeff (jpslick) is trapping 111. That is more than enough to take a 6.0Gto from a roll. Unless 6.0s are trapping faster than from what I remember the gto owners saying around here.

But ts isnt 10psi so I suppose it doesnt matter :D

[fuzzyjenkins]

Damn...that sucks...Huge difference in the cars though...hahaha. I mean..."GTO or RSX...hmmm"...that's a question for ya, huh?



Definitely a different feel pulling in a FWD and a RWD car....GTO has got way more torque to notice though too...could have been driver/passenger perception...but I'd say they're pretty close.

I was just sick of my 3g Eclipse GT and needed something more entertaining. I had a LONG list of cars I wanted to test drive....I'd have gotten the GTO if they hadn't sold it.

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

Meh. It's probably the torque that made it feel faster.

[liL_Vicious559]

people are pulling off mid 13s, tapping mid lowish 13s in the 5.7 alone. high 13s and 14s need to end there life in a 5.7 gto :laughing:

Damn Thats wierd! I've seen high 13's/low 14's in those 5.7 Goats, not saying those goats are slow "but slower than the 6.0 Goats for sure".

[liL_Vicious559]

Meh. It's probably the torque that made it feel faster.

I agree compare the two. A 350 lb torque vs a Honda? No question about it:laughing:

[fuzzyjenkins]

I agree compare the two. A 350 lb torque vs a Honda? No question about it:laughing:


What is this 'torque' you speak of?

[TYPEzachS]

Yes, it is stock....and I think its blue!

Well never mind then. Blue adds 20HP and raises the rev limit by 500 your screwed :self:

[03ssmrsx]

Grab a camera, should be a good race....

[TYPEzachS]

What is this 'torque' you speak of?

Its some philosophical bullshit that domestics use to brag about how great there cars are ;)

[wishihadaskyline]

Blue adds 50whp :thumbsup:

naw Blue adds 25rwhp, the limeGreen added 50wrhp.

hurry up and race him before we all have to skim through 20 pages of theories :laughing:

[fuzzyjenkins]

naw Blue adds 25rwhp, the limeGreen added 50wrhp.

hurry up and race him before we all have to skim through 20 pages of theories :laughing:

I theorize he will use this magical torque thing to try and make out with my grandma! Quickly, race him before he violates my grandma!:(

[SiLkk]

I ran a GTO, not sure which model, but from a 2nd gear roll it didn't take much, I pulled car or so and we quit before 100mph

[Gotboost98]

I theorize he will use this magical torque thing to try and make out with my grandma! Quickly, race him before he violates my grandma!:(

wtf lol grandma? :laughing:

[fuzzyjenkins]

wtf lol grandma? :laughing:

Don't drivers of domestic cars like to do that kind of thing? I saw it on a GM forum once, so it must be true! :shady:

[Gotboost98]

im so confused on what you are talking about

[fuzzyjenkins]

Lol...Me too...My attempt at being funny failed!!!

I was saying the GTO driver was going to attempt to fornicate with my grandma....Because um...Well he has a lot of torque, so he likes...grandma's?

Yeah it doesn't make sense but then again it wasn't supposed to.

Again...I fail.:ugh:

[liL_Vicious559]

What is this 'torque' you speak of?

A goat buddy a Goat! It has Massive torque compared to hondas. You do the math:thumbsup:

[orangekeebler]

Phantom Black with the red interior looks the best.

:bsflag:

yellow jacket ftw.

[orangekeebler]

Who knows:ugh:Maybe you might come out on top! That's my pick, but GL on the race!! :thumbsup:


quite a bit actually. 5.7GTO's were high 13/ low 14sec cars. Traction was a big issue with those Goats I know the 6.0's can pull off a high 12 but average is around low 13's

whilst the 5.7's are slower than the 6.0's, they are deff. NOT a low 14 car. give them some credit, seesh.

[Gotboost98]

yay its mike

[orangekeebler]

jeff (jpslick) is trapping 111. That is more than enough to take a 6.0Gto from a roll. Unless 6.0s are trapping faster than from what I remember the gto owners saying around here.

But ts isnt 10psi so I suppose it doesnt matter :D

tee hee...

i just look at the cost effectivness at times like these when comparing modded cars.

longtubes, exhaust, cam, tune = gg

i know mike picked up like 30whp/tq from a cam and a tune. granted it was a 6.0, but yeah..the potential is there.

[orangekeebler]

Damn Thats wierd! I've seen high 13's/low 14's in those 5.7 Goats, not saying those goats are slow "but slower than the 6.0 Goats for sure".

the ls2's are clocking high 12's low 13's on a constant basis. the 5.7's are low 13's to mid 13's. if you run a 14 in the 5.7 goat, just give the keys to someone else.

[orangekeebler]

yay its mike

:wavey:

[gearjammer]

Hi Mike! I'm gonna get smoked aren't I....

[Gotboost98]

tee hee...

i just look at the cost effectivness at times like these when comparing modded cars.

longtubes, exhaust, cam, tune = gg

i know mike picked up like 30whp/tq from a cam and a tune. granted it was a 6.0, but yeah..the potential is there.

truth but they were comparing the sc vs a goat, I was going with the flow :weeeeeeeeee:

[orangekeebler]

Hi Mike! I'm gonna get smoked aren't I....

well, you have teh interwebz..you can pick up the same bench times as anyone. the ls1's are trapping around 104. ive never ventured to the track myself, but i believe the ls2's trap around 106-7? i really cant remember to be honest.

[orangekeebler]

truth but they were comparing the sc vs a goat, I was going with the flow :weeeeeeeeee:

well if thats the case..let me go get some specs on an STS goat.. :weeeeeeeeee:

[orangekeebler]

TS, i just pulled these times off of www.ls2gto.com

LS2 Stock Classes:

2) NYTIGER 12.920 @ 109.40 MPH
3) Boilermaker GTO 12.9299 @ 106.89 MPH
4) 05torridred60 12.971 @ 108 MPH - SAP mufflers
5) jumbojet 12.974 @ 108.08 MPH
6) BlackSheep 12.98 @ 108 MPH
7) GTOboss 13.007 @ 108.52mph
8) KYGTO 13.035 @ 108.96 MPH
9) Judgethis05 13.036 @ 108.72
10) hookmechanic 13.074 @ 106.76 MPH
11) SLoW SHO 13.082 @ 108.15
12) SloNlo 13.086 @ 108.75 MPH
13) Aerobirdmotorsports 13.098@106.91
14) TheCamel 13.112 @ 108.49 MPH
15) BadGTO 13.14 @ 104.99 MPH
__________________


enjoy.

[runnin9z]

274 seems a bit low from 9PSI, on a SC rsx. What are your suporting mods? I have seen SC rsx's in the high 280's, and 290's.


it would still be a good race regardless.

[orangekeebler]

here are the top ls1 goats times:

1) Nutiger 13.025 @ 108.31
2) H82BSLOGTO 13.09 @ 105.00 MPH
3) ls1gto 13.10 @ 107.3 MPH
4) TRU GTO 13.136 @ 105.76 MPH
5) GTwhoa 13.15 @ 105.35 MPH
6) nutiger 13.245 @ 104.86 MPH
7) GTONEWB 13.248 105.99 MPH
8) slammin86 13.27 @ 105.46 MPH
9) nikivee 13.3 @ 104.00 MPH
10) 1meangoat 13.307 @ 104.61 MPH
11) Nmbr1GMfan 13.390 @ 104.54 MPH
12) win98nogood 13.393 @ 105.10 MPH

[Gotboost98]

ha! just as I thought 106-108.

[Gotboost98]

274 seems a bit low from 9PSI, on a SC rsx. What are your suporting mods? I have seen SC rsx's in the high 280's, and 290's.


it would still be a good race regardless.

:rolleyes: low compared to over inflated dynojet numbers, dynapack or dynocell? Its not low compared to a mustang dyno or dynamics. WHICH are the only TWO accurate dynos.


ahaha didnt delete your post fast enough pwned

[gearjammer]

274 seems a bit low from 9PSI, on a SC rsx. What are your suporting mods? I have seen SC rsx's in the high 280's, and 290's.


it would still be a good race regardless.

I think the Mustang dyno generally runs 10-15% lower than a dynojet. Maybe thats why my numbers look low? I have a Injen CAI, DC Race Header, Stock 05' exhaust, Hondata IMG, and K-pro. I think thats about all that really has any effect.

[Gotboost98]

I think the Mustang dyno generally runs 10-15% lower than a dynojet. Maybe thats why my numbers look low? I have a Injen CAI, DC Race Header, Stock 05' exhaust, Hondata IMG, and K-pro. I think thats about all that really has any effect.

see above post, Mustang dynos an dynamics are the ONLY TWO ACCURATE DYNOS. Everything else is inaccurate dyno readings from dynos that like to over inflate numbers. Your numbers are correct. Don't listen to the fools around clubrsx.

[Blown330]

WHICH are the only TWO accurate dynos.




Wrong...dead wrong. A dyno's readings are only as good as the owner/operator behind the setup. An inertial dyno can provide data just as accurately just as an eddy current dyno can give false information. Other than the fact that dyno's with retarders are easier to tune on (particularly turbo vehicles) doesn't make tuning on any inertial dyno any less useful. In the end you are going to wind up doing sweep tunes on both setups anyway.



Oh...and DynoJet builds eddy current dyno's as well.

[03ssmrsx]

swap out your stock exhaust for a better flowing exhaust :)

[FastFour]

Just to give EVERYONE a perspective.. a stock LS2 GTO is great top end. I ran one from 30-100mph and I pulled a half a car in my STage 2 STi. And from 60-120mph I lost by half a car. :(

[18psi]

Wrong...dead wrong. A dyno's readings are only as good as the owner/operator behind the setup. An inertial dyno can provide data just as accurately just as an eddy current dyno can give false information. Other than the fact that dyno's with retarders are easier to tune on (particularly turbo vehicles) doesn't make tuning on any inertial dyno any less useful. In the end you are going to wind up doing sweep tunes on both setups anyway.



Oh...and DynoJet builds eddy current dyno's as well.

:iamwiths:
in the end, a dyno is just a tool, measuring the before tune power and after tune power, and showing the curve/plot......lower or higher reading dont mean shit to most, its the trap speeds that result from a good tune that are worth bragging about:thumbsup:

[Blown330]

I can swing a DynoDynamics' chassis dyno as much as 15% just by changing how it "smoothes" the data.

[Midnight Blue LS2]

on the topic of dynos....remember that an eddy current dyno (mustang dyno) is significantly easier to manipulate than an inertial dynojet.

Altering the weight input of the car will change the load on the rollers and skew the numbers with nothing more than a few clicks of a mouse.

Inertia dynos on the other hand, may read higher, but they're more consistent. You can't really "cheat" as easily on a dynjoet. There ARE settings you can play with, but for the most part, they read what they read.

[BlackSS]

As said....it should be a close one. I give a SLIGHT advantage to the GTO just cause it's a fellow LSx engine, lol. Run him, video it, and report back.

[Gotboost98]

Wrong...dead wrong. A dyno's readings are only as good as the owner/operator behind the setup. An inertial dyno can provide data just as accurately just as an eddy current dyno can give false information. Other than the fact that dyno's with retarders are easier to tune on (particularly turbo vehicles) doesn't make tuning on any inertial dyno any less useful. In the end you are going to wind up doing sweep tunes on both setups anyway.



Oh...and DynoJet builds eddy current dyno's as well.

Im aware its operator an how they can be skewed..... By AC, what gear its in, temp etc, im aware of all the variables. Im not saying they cant used to be tuned on but the numbers for power output on them are garbage. I stand behind that ive been playing with dynos myself for many years. .02 I usually do my own dynoing on my buddies dynamics he had but he is no longer in the state. I go to shops at people I know an watch to make sure no manipulation is being done an everything is done correctly or I say something.

[Gotboost98]

:iamwiths:
in the end, a dyno is just a tool, measuring the before tune power and after tune power, and showing the curve/plot......lower or higher reading dont mean shit to most, its the trap speeds that result from a good tune that are worth bragging about:thumbsup:

I agree its all I really go by but when people start throwing out dyno numbers etc it gets old. People dont generally know all dynos are not created equal. I will only tune on a dynamics or mustang .02

[Blown330]

Given the choice yeah....but I've tuned on both. Just with the inertial dyno I'll spend more time on the road and a few extra runs on the track to get a tune right. Only type of dyno that will give you accurate numerical results are the absorber/driver types and you won't find those in your average performance shop.

[Axix23]

fill up on 100 octane and advance your ignition timing by 10 deg. and gain 100+whp..... LOL

[Gotboost98]

Back some years ago my buddy an I dyno tested I cant remember what car it was some 5spd import, in every different gear, second, third, and fourth, were very simliar, but first an fifth were a nice bit lower. Testing the car in either first or fifth is a little odd, an would probably be noticed by the car owner if they w ere observing the test. The differences are more much significant on a turbocharged car. Although as the higher gears slow the engines acceleration and allow the turbo to spool up earlier an stronger. If we did a second gear pull with a turbocharged car the engine will often outrun the turbo by the time the turbo is spinning fast enough to make boost at 3000rpm. For example the engine will already be going 4000rpm, by the time the turbo is fast enough for 4000rpm the engine is at 5000rpms. This is why turbocharged cars feel so strong in higher gears, when pulling up a hill, or whenever they are heavily loaded. If you compare a turbocharged pull made in second gear to a pull made in fourth, the fourth gear run will almost always be stronger. My buddy an I typically dynoed naturally aspirated cars in third gear, an turbocharged cars in fourth. Another difference that can occur with gearing comes when there is a 1:1 gear ratio available. Most rwd gearboxes will have a gear ratio that is 1:1 typically this is fourth gear, but in 6spd gearboxes it is often fifth. In the 1:1 gear in a many gearboxes, power is not atcually transferred through a gearset, the input and output shafts are just locked together. That eliminates the losses through the gear teeth, and results in higher power output in the gear. Meh but I have seen people right in front of the owners be devious an mess with the readings that the computer uses to calculate the correction fa ctors. It can alter the corrected output signifiicantly. I rather personally though blown use those two or ill just street tune my stuff. I suppose im odd an wont settle for the others. I suppose im ignorant? :dontknow:

Just ranting /rant

[Midnight Blue LS2]

I agree its all I really go by but when people start throwing out dyno numbers etc it gets old. People dont generally know all dynos are not created equal. I will only tune on a dynamics or mustang .02


I think calling one "accurate" over another is kind of subjective....

eddy current is certainly more realistic considering the car's weight is simulated and thus significantly better for driveability tuning, BUT....

...what percentage of people quote inertia dyno numbers? 80%? 90%?

If everyone is telling you their *insert car here* made this XXX.XX WHP on an inertial dynojet, trying to compare yours when it was dynoed on an eddy current dyno is not really that accurate after all is it?

[Gotboost98]

I suppose not mike but blah....Your point was taken though well played. With that said I hate dynojets dammitz

[orangekeebler]

i just have to give the TS props for using 6M in his thread title..i think hes the ONLY one i have see do that..

[JPSlick]

6.0 gto should be around 350 whp and run high 12's... if u have good traction i htink u can hang a little... btw why ur torque so low?

oh ok i was just used to turbo hp and tq figures... i thought S/C have more Tq that turbo but i guess not.

anyways the GTO is super heavy but powerfull motor trend did a 13.3 1/4mile with it BTW ... i htink u can hang if not beat it

His Tq is normal for S/C 180-190 Is all you will see.

And i ran 13.4 on a bad day.

My car was good for a 12.9-13.0 and a 110+ trap (with my 9 psi CTSC setup)

[JPSlick]

jeff (jpslick) is trapping 111. That is more than enough to take a 6.0Gto from a roll. Unless 6.0s are trapping faster than from what I remember the gto owners saying around here.

But ts isnt 10psi so I suppose it doesnt matter :D

Im really on a 9 psi pulley FYI..... but sometimes it will make 10 depending on conditions.

Eitherway. I would have no prob racing a stock goat. (either model)

[xonic]

here are the top ls1 goats times:

slammin86 13.27 @ 105.46 MPH

Slammin is a local. He's catching a lot of shit on local forums cause he's claiming he walks stock ls2 GTO's in his stock ls1 from rolls/dig. He also has a little shithead friend that thinks his 07 Accord 'runs 13's from a roll'.

On topic:

Should be a close race from a roll. The TS doesn't have to worry about him jumping out to much if at all since you don't have to wait to spool.

[fuzzyjenkins]

slammin86 13.27 @ 105.46 MPH

Slammin is a local. He's catching a lot of shit on local forums cause he's claiming he walks stock ls2 GTO's in his stock ls1 from rolls/dig. He also has a little shithead friend that thinks his 07 Accord 'runs 13's from a roll'.

On topic:

Should be a close race from a roll. The TS doesn't have to worry about him jumping out to much if at all since you don't have to wait to spool.


Runs 13's from a roll....lawl....:rotfl:

[Midnight Blue LS2]

I suppose not mike but blah....Your point was taken though well played. With that said I hate dynojets dammitz

:beerchug:

[wishihadaskyline]

Runs 13's from a roll....lawl....:rotfl:

wtf is 13's from a roll? stupidest thing ive heard today. if i started the 1/4mi. from a roll id hit 10s at 140mph :rotfl:

[Gotboost98]

wow just wow about roll statement

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

I just want to remind everyone that anyone who races from a roll is a pansy. Race from a dig or not at all. Roll racing is like using a Fleshlight and claiming you just had sex.

[Blown330]

Roll racing is like using a Fleshlight and claiming you just had sex.


Sex with someone you love?




:(

[orangekeebler]

slammin86 13.27 @ 105.46 MPH

Slammin is a local. He's catching a lot of shit on local forums cause he's claiming he walks stock ls2 GTO's in his stock ls1 from rolls/dig. He also has a little shithead friend that thinks his 07 Accord 'runs 13's from a roll'.

On topic:

Should be a close race from a roll. The TS doesn't have to worry about him jumping out to much if at all since you don't have to wait to spool.

o rly?

i dont think ive meet him at any of the meets weve had?

[Midnight Blue LS2]

wtf is 13's from a roll? stupidest thing ive heard today. if i started the 1/4mi. from a roll id hit 10s at 140mph :rotfl:

wow just wow about roll statement

That's NOT the first time that's been said.....

Who was that jackass that "had a 10 second car from a roll"?!?!?!

[18psi]

my car is slow from a roll therefore i shut down at 40mph:noes:

[xonic]

o rly?

i dont think ive meet him at any of the meets weve had?

meh, he's from Springfield (semi-local I guess). I don't know if he's been up here for a while.

[Gotboost98]

That's NOT the first time that's been said.....

Who was that jackass that "had a 10 second car from a roll"?!?!?!

no its not but I cant get over it everytime I see it lol

[xonic]

That's NOT the first time that's been said.....

Who was that jackass that "had a 10 second car from a roll"?!?!?!

From here or somewhere else? I remember in the old war stories on srtforms someone named Robino or some crap like that said "from a roll I'm a 10 second car".

[orangekeebler]

From here or somewhere else? I remember in the old war stories on srtforms someone named Robino or some crap like that said "from a roll I'm a 10 second car".

no, its been said here too man..it was a while ago though

[04azuremach]

stop focusing on peak power an tq, look at net tq.

Where have I heard this before? :shady:

[orangekeebler]

Where have I heard this before? :shady:

i know i know, pick me pick me!!

[04azuremach]

Back some years ago my buddy an I dyno tested I cant remember what car it was some 5spd import, in every different gear, second, third, and fourth, were very simliar, but first an fifth were a nice bit lower. Testing the car in either first or fifth is a little odd, an would probably be noticed by the car owner if they w ere observing the test. The differences are more much significant on a turbocharged car. Although as the higher gears slow the engines acceleration and allow the turbo to spool up earlier an stronger. If we did a second gear pull with a turbocharged car the engine will often outrun the turbo by the time the turbo is spinning fast enough to make boost at 3000rpm. For example the engine will already be going 4000rpm, by the time the turbo is fast enough for 4000rpm the engine is at 5000rpms. This is why turbocharged cars feel so strong in higher gears, when pulling up a hill, or whenever they are heavily loaded. If you compare a turbocharged pull made in second gear to a pull made in fourth, the fourth gear run will almost always be stronger. My buddy an I typically dynoed naturally aspirated cars in third gear, an turbocharged cars in fourth. Another difference that can occur with gearing comes when there is a 1:1 gear ratio available. Most rwd gearboxes will have a gear ratio that is 1:1 typically this is fourth gear, but in 6spd gearboxes it is often fifth. In the 1:1 gear in a many gearboxes, power is not atcually transferred through a gearset, the input and output shafts are just locked together. That eliminates the losses through the gear teeth, and results in higher power output in the gear. Meh but I have seen people right in front of the owners be devious an mess with the readings that the computer uses to calculate the correction fa ctors. It can alter the corrected output signifiicantly. I rather personally though blown use those two or ill just street tune my stuff. I suppose im odd an wont settle for the others. I suppose im ignorant? :dontknow:

Just ranting /rant

Personally I only know of one RWD 6 speed trans that has a 1:1 in 5th. 99% of 6 speed RWD 6 speeds have a 1:1 4th... but anyway, I agree with everything said.

[04azuremach]

That's NOT the first time that's been said.....

Who was that jackass that "had a 10 second car from a roll"?!?!?!

That goes all the way back to war stories era. I think we had a 150 page thread due to some idiot who said that :rotfl:

[JUANonJUAN]

I have only read the first page .. but if the GTO is stock.. and from a 40 mph roll.. I'd say the rsx wins.. some people with our same settup have reced a couple of GTOs and the outcome is the same.. a couple of cars ahead.. nothing too crazy either..

[02TigerLily]

Good Luck against the GTO. I don't street race, but a lot my friends do run from a roll in their GTOs and I can tell you RSX don't normally win.

[SE3P]

That goes all the way back to war stories era. I think we had a 150 page thread due to some idiot who said that :rotfl:

post link or :bsflag:

[orangekeebler]

post link or :bsflag:

the section of that particular website has been long since deleted.

[xonic]

So did this race ever take place?

[02 i-vtec]

my brother has a 6M blue on blue 06 gto with the 6.0 in it.... that thing pulls hard with an exhaust, its gunna take some good driving and traction for the rsx to beat it ..my brother put down a 13.1 stock no work. on stock 18s and everything... and if this gto is modded at all with anything. if it has longtubers or a diablo tuner or someshit.. might as well not even race...ls2 is a fuckin monster!! cant beat it .....

[DC5 DoM]

why dont you just race and let us all know what happens?

[dc4todc5]

I ran a 6M LS2 two days ago, we punched in second at about 40. By the time we made it to third he was a car ahead but what i found odd was that in third i seemed to hold my ground a little better. When I shut down around mid 4th at about 120 or so he was 2-3 cars ahead. He had exhaust for sure and some other mods im guessing. Im in a stock b6 s4. I think youre rsx could hang with if not beat a mildly modded 6.0 from a roll especially from third gear as i recall that as being the strongest gear in my Type S. Just dont go racing on roads with pedestrians..

[Kshirza1]

the GTO has independent rear suspension... not very good off the line. a average driver will pull low 14's with the 6.0. youll take him no prob. GTO's are a joke.

[BlackSS]

the GTO has independent rear suspension... not very good off the line. a average driver will pull low 14's with the 6.0. youll take him no prob. GTO's are a joke.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[BlackSS]

the GTO has independent rear suspension... not very good off the line.
Not as good as a solid rear axle maybe, but still way better then the fwd the TS has
a average driver will pull low 14's with the 6.0.
Wow man, just wow. In that case average drivers will run mid to low 15's in an rsxs, low 14's in an ls1 f-body, mid 14's in an s197 stang, high 14's in a new edge stang.....you get what I'm saying? If you can't pull anything less than a 13.8 in good weather and a track near sea level in a ls2 gto....shoot yourself and give me your car.
youll take him no prob.
As stated many times this will be a good race.....no one is gonna have "no prob" with the other.
GTO's are a joke.
Compared to?? I'd really like to know what you drive to be able to call an ls2 GTO a joke....really I do.


And btw....thanks for the new Sig material!

[DC5hondaintegra]

^^^^ well put. i'd + rep you if i could or had any rep. i lost it when some kid got butthurt cuz i told the guy in the rsx>celica thread that his rsx was slow. guess someone is in denial...

[04azuremach]

the GTO has independent rear suspension... not very good off the line. a average driver will pull low 14's with the 6.0. youll take him no prob. GTO's are a joke.

Did someone really just post this?

[04azuremach]

So the new Z06's are really slow. The IRS kills the launch really bad. A good driver can do about a mid 13 with them. With your supercharger you should have no problem beating it from a roll or a dig.

[03ssmrsx]

domestics are gay

just kidding

[Midnight Blue LS2]

the GTO has independent rear suspension... not very good off the line. a average driver will pull low 14's with the 6.0. youll take him no prob. GTO's are a joke.

fresh meat.....:run:

[TYPEzachS]

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[orangekeebler]

the GTO has independent rear suspension... not very good off the line. a average driver will pull low 14's with the 6.0. youll take him no prob. GTO's are a joke.

:rotfl::rotfl: what a fucking idiot.

6.0's are hitting high 12's stock dumbass.

[Midnight Blue LS2]

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[orangekeebler]

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[orangekeebler]

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[Gotboost98]

you fucks, I was in the campus library when I opened page five, had to scroll down fast, then low and behold page six was the same shit.........thank god no old grumpy staff saw that shit. LOL

[03ssmrsx]

do want

[orangekeebler]

you fucks, I was in the campus library when I opened page five, had to scroll down fast, then low and behold page six was the same shit.........thank god no old grumpy staff saw that shit. LOL

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

BEWBIES!!!!

[04azuremach]

I fear clicking this page at work... can we get to the next page really quick?!

[Gotboost98]

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

BEWBIES!!!!
:finger:
I fear clicking this page at work... can we get to the next page really quick?!
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[Midnight Blue LS2]

I fear clicking this page at work... can we get to the next page really quick?!

consider this my contribution.....

[SE3P]

you fucks, I was in the campus library when I opened page five, had to scroll down fast, then low and behold page six was the same shit.........thank god no old grumpy staff saw that shit. LOL

:rotfl:

[deadlift]

i have a 5.7 now. my RSX making similar #s on spray from a roll i would say would have beaten my stock gto. the LS2s are faster but i still havent seen an appreciable diff at the track for ls2s with similar mods.

[orangekeebler]

i have a 5.7 now. my RSX making similar #s on spray from a roll i would say would have beaten my stock gto. the LS2s are faster but i still havent seen an appreciable diff at the track for ls2s with similar mods.


one of the reasons i just opted for the 04 myself.

i 'know' they are the better car (the ls2's), but for my purposes a 5.7 does everything the 6.0 does. and it was cheaper. and i love the ls1 with a passion.

[dudelikeduck]

My neighbor owns a LS2; he has let me drive it a few times. Shit has TORQUE.

[Midnight Blue LS2]

My neighbor owns a LS2; he has let me drive it a few times. Shit has TORQUE.

yes....yes they do....

the torque (394 RWTQ modded) + the soft suspension made it feel like mine was going to tear it's own rear end out when you stepped on it hard....:laughing:

[fusionchicken]

yea gotten a ride in a bolt-on ls2 goat before, everytime the guy steps on it i can't pull my neck straight :D

[deadlift]

yes....yes they do....

the torque (394 RWTQ modded) + the soft suspension made it feel like mine was going to tear it's own rear end out when you stepped on it hard....:laughing:

yep with spray i have 450 ft/#s of torque and a stock rear suspension. she squats real low when i nail it. need drag bags badly.

[04azuremach]

I only make 600 ft lbs of torque with the spray :(

[Addicted toType-S]

Do you guys with the gto's even need a drop I mean every single one I see stock is already tucking the rear tire.

[stwatson]

9psi S/C RSX will beat a 6.0 GTO (given its stock) from a roll. I've done it. Beat him by 2 cars at least. I also raced a 5.7 GTO. I beat him by a bus length. I dont know if the 5.7 dude just couldnt drive worth a shit but I have that on video if you dont believe me. 6.0 is faster...not much though from a roll. From a dig they can be pretty nasty. Havent raced one from a dig yet.

[Axix23]

you beat a GTO?? damn, how the fk are you beating all these cars?? Lol

[Midnight Blue LS2]

Do you guys with the gto's even need a drop I mean every single one I see stock is already tucking the rear tire.

the front can stand to come down an inch...the rear sits really nicely on the stock parts after a couple thousand miles of use.

[Addicted toType-S]

Thats what I was thinking so do they sell just front drop kits for you cars?

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

9psi S/C RSX will beat a 6.0 GTO (given its stock) from a roll. I've done it. Beat him by 2 cars at least. I also raced a 5.7 GTO. I beat him by a bus length. I dont know if the 5.7 dude just couldnt drive worth a shit but I have that on video if you dont believe me. 6.0 is faster...not much though from a roll. From a dig they can be pretty nasty. Havent raced one from a dig yet.Cool. You beat him from a roll. Too bad you didn't really race him, since roll racing is completely and utterly for girls with FWD grocery getters. Race him the real way...from a dig.

[stwatson]

Cool. You beat him from a roll. Too bad you didn't really race him, since roll racing is completely and utterly for girls with FWD grocery getters. Race him the real way...from a dig.

No, I have raced a 5.7 from a dig and I still beat him considerably. The only 6.0 I've come across was on the highway. I dont understand your comment by roll racing being for FWD grocery getters...especially when the GTO was the one that wanted to race.

Dig races are more interesting...but the sad thing is that the only safe way to do these is at a track. Stoplight races are much more risky in my area. Im not going to risk a ticket so I can prove to you I can beat one. Highway races are quick and prove who has a better power/gearing/weight ratio once your off the line. Launching is more focused on the specific platform of the car more than the power it can deliver once its moving. Make fun of roll races all you want...its how 90% of the races happen with the "random" guy on the street.

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

No, I have raced a 5.7 from a dig and I still beat him considerably. The only 6.0 I've come across was on the highway. I dont understand your comment by roll racing being for FWD grocery getters...especially when the GTO was the one that wanted to race.

Dig races are more interesting...but the sad thing is that the only safe way to do these is at a track. Stoplight races are much more risky in my area. Im not going to risk a ticket so I can prove to you I can beat one. Highway races are quick and prove who has a better power/gearing/weight ratio once your off the line. Launching is more focused on the specific platform of the car more than the power it can deliver once its moving. Make fun of roll races all you want...its how 90% of the races happen with the "random" guy on the street.I don't see what there isn't to understand. Roll racing is for FWD grocery getters because their wrong-wheel set up sucks at drag racing. They cannot get traction(because it isn't made for it! *gasp*) from a dig. Does that clear it up a little? Only safe to do it at a track? Yeah, it's much safer to be around OTHER cars on the highway racing from a dig, probably hitting triple digits in speed. The epitome of "safe" right there. Highway races don't prove shit. A drag race does. High way races just prove that you are either:

1) Incompetent at driving and launching your car.
2) Have the wrong car to really race.
3. All of the above.

Tracks are to prove. That's why they hand out time slips. Not streets. I guess people should foot race from a jog because it would prevent things like people falling off balance from the start, injuring yourself, etc. See how silly that sounds?

[03ssmrsx]

yeah roll races dont prove anything :rolleyes:

[stwatson]

I don't see what there isn't to understand. Roll racing is for FWD grocery getters because their wrong-wheel set up sucks at drag racing. They cannot get traction(because it isn't made for it! *gasp*) from a dig. Does that clear it up a little? Only safe to do it at a track? Yeah, it's much safer to be around OTHER cars on the highway racing from a dig, probably hitting triple digits in speed. The epitome of "safe" right there. Highway races don't prove shit. A drag race does. High way races just prove that you are either:

1) Incompetent at driving and launching your car.
2) Have the wrong car to really race.
3. All of the above.

Tracks are to prove. That's why they hand out time slips. Not streets. I guess people should foot race from a jog because it would prevent things like people falling off balance from the start, injuring yourself, etc. See how silly that sounds?

I still dont get what your trying to prove. You yourself have modded your TSX (FWD grocery getter by your definition) for what reason? Do you drag race it? I guess not since you say its pointless to try. Do you race anyone? If not then why did you mod your car? Why did you mod your car if its a FWD just like mine? And I'd love to see your's try and stack up against mine. Your being a hypocrite:stfu:. You yourself are guilty of the same shit your trying to make fun of me about because my RSX (this is an RSX forum in case your ego blinded you for a moment) is capable of beating these cars in this thread FROM A DIG. For you to say that roll races prove nothing is just plain ignorance and shows that your 18yr old ass knows jack shit about vehicles in general. I know Im not a drag monster...if I was trying to be I wouldnt have gotten an RSX in the first place. If your going to sit there and try to tell me that stoplight races are just as safe as highway races, then we got a whole new bag of issues on our hand. Racing by itself is dangerous, street or track. Street obviously being the more dangerous of the two, but highway by yourself at night with no one around is a lot safer than stoplight races when you consider your chances of hurting others and being pulled by law enforcement. And I would love for you to say to us all right now that you have NEVER street raced anyone from a roll in your life right now...please...go ahead and prove how stubborn you really are. Your making fun of your own car and your own mentalities while your trying to make fun of me...get your shit straight and find something to bitch about that doesn't already involve yourself.

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

I still dont get what your trying to prove. You yourself have modded your TSX (FWD grocery getter by your definition) for what reason? Do you drag race it? I guess not since you say its pointless to try. Do you race anyone? If not then why did you mod your car? Why did you mod your car if its a FWD just like mine? And I'd love to see your's try and stack up against mine. Your being a hypocrite:stfu:. You yourself are guilty of the same shit your trying to make fun of me about because my RSX (this is an RSX forum in case your ego blinded you for a moment) is capable of beating these cars in this thread FROM A DIG. For you to say that roll races prove nothing is just plain ignorance and shows that your 18yr old ass knows jack shit about vehicles in general. I know Im not a drag monster...if I was trying to be I wouldnt have gotten an RSX in the first place. If your going to sit there and try to tell me that stoplight races are just as safe as highway races, then we got a whole new bag of issues on our hand. Racing by itself is dangerous, street or track. Street obviously being the more dangerous of the two, but highway by yourself at night with no one around is a lot safer than stoplight races when you consider your chances of hurting others and being pulled by law enforcement. And I would love for you to say to us all right now that you have NEVER street raced anyone from a roll in your life right now...please...go ahead and prove how stubborn you really are. Your making fun of your own car and your own mentalities while your trying to make fun of me...get your shit straight and find something to bitch about that doesn't already involve yourself.Hah! I do 100% completely admit that my FWD, TSX sedan is a classy, family car. I never got it with any intention to be fast or to even mod it. I got it because it was a nice looking, fuel efficient, roomy, comfy, car. Mods were never in my mind. However, I DID mod my car because I get bored of things. My car started getting blah, so I wanted to essentially spice it up. Again, SPEED was never my intention. Just something to keep the car fresh, if you will. I actually do not race anyone, unless I go to the local track with my friends (that DO have cars that would piss all over your RSX-Slow), which in that case, I run just because it's fun to mess around in a legal venue.

Me talking about roll races and being 18 years old has nothing to do with my car knowledge, at all. The two do not even correlate. Ask any of the domestic guys in RSX vs. All and I'm sure they feel similar. The fact of the matter is, is that most FWD guys roll race to compensate for their inferiority(which in that case is their wrong-wheel setup). You would beat my car. I never claimed you wouldn't! Congrats. My car is a 16 second car. You don't see me throwing my balls around about it. So your point is pretty moot.

I AM telling you that stoplight races are generally safer. I don't know what city you live in, but in Miami, you are going to get up to 60mph MAX maybe from a stoplight race. You try racing on the turnpike or the Palmetto Expressway, and you are going to be around shit loads of traffic, and start getting in the triple digits. Very safe! Either way, we both agree that street racing in general is just not safe.

I'll tell you right now. I don't street race PERIOD. Whether it is from a roll or from a dig. That makes me stubborn? No, it makes me smart.

[03ssmrsx]

Hah! I do 100% completely admit that my FWD, TSX sedan is a classy, family car. I never got it with any intention to be fast or to even mod it. I got it because it was a nice looking, fuel efficient, roomy, comfy, car. Mods were never in my mind. However, I DID mod my car because I get bored of things. My car started getting blah, so I wanted to essentially spice it up. Again, SPEED was never my intention. Just something to keep the car fresh, if you will. I actually do not race anyone, unless I go to the local track with my friends (that DO have cars that would piss all over your RSX-Slow), which in that case, I run just because it's fun to mess around in a legal venue.

Me talking about roll races and being 18 years old has nothing to do with my car knowledge, at all. The two do not even correlate. Ask any of the domestic guys in RSX vs. All and I'm sure they feel similar. The fact of the matter is, is that most FWD guys roll race to compensate for their inferiority(which in that case is their wrong-wheel setup). You would beat my car. I never claimed you wouldn't! Congrats. My car is a 16 second car. You don't see me throwing my balls around about it. So your point is pretty moot.

I AM telling you that stoplight races are generally safer. I don't know what city you live in, but in Miami, you are going to get up to 60mph MAX maybe from a stoplight race. You try racing on the turnpike or the Palmetto Expressway, and you are going to be around shit loads of traffic, and start getting in the triple digits. Very safe! Either way, we both agree that street racing in general is just not safe.

I'll tell you right now. I don't street race PERIOD. Whether it is from a roll or from a dig. That makes me stubborn? No, it makes me smart.

o_O someone always has a friend.... :rolleyes:

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

o_O someone always has a friend.... :rolleyes:Congratulations on refuting a parenthetical and pretty insignificant side note in my response. :thumbsup: Besides, after all, having friends with faster cars is so uncommon! I guess when you hang out with nothing but the Honduh crowd, you are all equally slow :rotfl:

[03ssmrsx]

Congratulations on refuting a parenthetical and pretty insignificant side note in my response. :thumbsup: Besides, after all, having friends with faster cars is so uncommon! I guess when you hang out with nothing but the Honduh crowd, you are all equally slow :rotfl:

My friends have some fast cars but you don't know shit anyway so whats the point in arguing.

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

My friends have some fast cars but you don't know shit anyway so whats the point in arguing.:rotfl::rotfl: Mmk. If I don't know shit because I look down on roll-racing and FWD cars that try to go fast, then you are right. I don't know shit.

[03ssmrsx]

a race to 60 omgz

my fwd car > quite a bit of cars

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

a race to 60 omgz

my fwd car > quite a bit of carsIf you trap at 60 mph at a track, then you really should just not race. What is your point? The 60 mph example I used was to explain why "stop light racing" is safer (in my area at least) than roll racing. Reading comprehension? Or is VTEC occupying your mind too much?

[03ssmrsx]

If you trap at 60 mph at a track, then you really should just not race. What is your point? The 60 mph example I used was to explain why "stop light racing" is safer (in my area at least) than roll racing. Reading comprehension? Or is VTEC occupying your mind too much? But yeah, I bet your bolt-on FWD car is > quite a bit of cars. Living life 14 seconds at a time :rotfl:

Yeah my boosted fwd car... dumbass.
FYI JRSC = jackson racing supercharger, that is why its under "Forced induction"

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

Yeah my boosted fwd car... dumbass.
FYI JRSC = jackson racing supercharger, that is why its under "Forced induction"Edited after I saw that. ;)

[camphasing]

I still dont get what your trying to prove. You yourself have modded your TSX (FWD grocery getter by your definition) for what reason? Do you drag race it? I guess not since you say its pointless to try.
Why not? I mean dont you like sticking HOT PINK JDM BADGES all over your over powered civics to pretend to own a type Rice?

Do you race anyone? If not then why did you mod your car? Why did you mod your car if its a FWD just like mine? And I'd love to see your's try and stack up against mine. Your being a hypocrite:stfu:.
HP wont make your dick grown, define MOD: there are MANY types of MODS, External Mods, cat backs, etc . last time I checked this IS a hobby right? and how exactly do you correlate mods to street racing? O and BTW, I bet you that TSX will OMG DESTROY you from a digg LoL. How hard does ur shit launch wait lol it doesnt Lol! funny.

You yourself are guilty of the same shit your trying to make fun of me about because my RSX (this is an RSX forum in case your ego blinded you for a moment) is capable of beating these cars in this thread FROM A DIG.
your one wheel drive boosted RSX wont smoke a fiat from a dig let alone a GTO, stop dreaming.


For you to say that roll races prove nothing is just plain ignorance and shows that your 18yr old ass knows jack shit about vehicles in general. I know Im not a drag monster...if I was trying to be I wouldnt have gotten an RSX in the first place. If your going to sit there and try to tell me that stoplight races are just as safe as highway races, then we got a whole new bag of issues on our hand. Racing by itself is dangerous, street or track. Street obviously being the more dangerous of the two, but highway by yourself at night with no one around is a lot safer than stoplight races when you consider your chances of hurting others and being pulled by law enforcement. And I would love for you to say to us all right now that you have NEVER street raced anyone from a roll in your life right now...please...go ahead and prove how stubborn you really are. Your making fun of your own car and your own mentalities while your trying to make fun of me...get your shit straight and find something to bitch about that doesn't already involve yourself.
- Last time I checked, there weren't any rolling tracks LoL. Have fun and enjoy your supercharged civic to nowhere. LoL

[03ssmrsx]

your stock evo is so fast omgz

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

^ so cool in your stock evo omgzFar from stock. :rotfl: Zzzzzzz.

[camphasing]

ya, at least we mod and go faster, rsxes seem to be inversely proportional to mods
More mods = Less usable power = More PWNG

[03ssmrsx]

Ah, hes one of your butt buddy's, how didn't I see that coming. Both arrogant cocky spoiled pricks who are on an rsx forum who don't even own an rsx.

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

Ah, hes one of your butt buddy's, how didn't I see that coming. Both arrogant cocky spoiled pricks who are on an rsx forum who don't even own an rsx.So lets recount all of this. I don't like roll-racing and FWD cars that attempt to go fast. Can you explain the logic behind that equating me to be "spoiled and cocky?" My brother owned an RSX. That is why I am on an RSX forum. I have many friends that own(ed) RSXs. That is why I am on an RSX forum. Anything else?

[camphasing]

Ah, hes one of your butt buddy's, how didn't I see that coming. Both arrogant cocky spoiled pricks who are on an rsx forum who don't even own an rsx.

Your once again mistaken:
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=390685
That is my RSX, ive been there done it and moved on, any questions lil boy?

Did you check the numbers on the dyno sheet? LoL fuCK 464 on the stock block , I know :)

[03ssmrsx]

lil boy :lawl:

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

At least he can actually launch his car and not look like a tool. Wheel hop y0. It's the VTEC being released!

[03ssmrsx]

:rolleyes:

[ruiisu]

:rotfl:

but seriously... aren't roll races a little gay? Just a little? :)

Anyhow, auto-x, tack events, and road courses FTW!

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

:rotfl:

but seriously... aren't roll races a little gay? Just a little? :)

Anyhow, auto-x, tack events, and road courses FTW!I'm sure Honda had drag racing in mind when they designed the RSX. :rotfl:

[xonic]

I don't see what there isn't to understand. Roll racing is for FWD grocery getters because their wrong-wheel set up sucks at drag racing. They cannot get traction(because it isn't made for it! *gasp*) from a dig. Does that clear it up a little? Only safe to do it at a track? Yeah, it's much safer to be around OTHER cars on the highway racing from a dig, probably hitting triple digits in speed. The epitome of "safe" right there. Highway races don't prove shit. A drag race does. High way races just prove that you are either:

1) Incompetent at driving and launching your car.
2) Have the wrong car to really race.
3. All of the above.

Tracks are to prove. That's why they hand out time slips. Not streets. I guess people should foot race from a jog because it would prevent things like people falling off balance from the start, injuring yourself, etc. See how silly that sounds?

Must you post a diatribe every time roll racing comes up? Yes, it's a handicap, most all people realize this. Not to mention going from a dig isn't always an option.

One question, why do you imply that it's only FWD cars that roll race?

[ruiisu]

Must you post a diatribe every time roll racing comes up? Yes, it's a handicap, most all people realize this. Not to mention going from a dig isn't always an option.

One question, why do you imply that it's only FWD cars that roll race?

I think he means more people that insist that (Roll Racing) is the only option. They generally tend to be FWD owners, and generally tend to be Honda drivers and in this forum tend to be RSX owners. Im just genralizing though, lol.

How much is your Skittle putting down? I've been looking in to buying an '05 in my area...trying to resist the urge! :noes::run:

[03ssmrsx]

Must you post a diatribe every time roll racing comes up? Yes, it's a handicap, most all people realize this. Not to mention going from a dig isn't always an option.

One question, why do you imply that it's only FWD cars that roll race?

Because hes an idiot

[JSeoul]

I love GTO's. Soon as I find a salvaged one, I will let you know which is faster. hahaha. My money is on the GTO though, especially from a dig. I would hope you spent some money on a Limited Slip.

[TYPEzachS]

:popcorn: is this limesour under a new name? :dontknow: Its deffinetly interesting with all the trolls!:shady:

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

Must you post a diatribe every time roll racing comes up? Yes, it's a handicap, most all people realize this. Not to mention going from a dig isn't always an option.

One question, why do you imply that it's only FWD cars that roll race?Yeah. It's just one of my pet peeves. I'm sure you have things that really irk you. Roll racing tends to do it for me. I probably make too big of a deal about it. It happens. I imply that FWD mostly roll race because it tends to be true. You don't see any of the RWD or AWD monsters wasting their time on the street, much less from a roll. They go race at the 1320, where it belongs. This is not to say that RWD + AWD guys don't race from rolls, because I'm sure some do. But for one, why would any intelligent AWD driver want to race from a roll anyway? AWD loses a lot of power from a roll, rendering the race stupid. I don't know. I just see roll racing as a huge crutch that FWD (more specifically Honda crew) people use to compensate for other things. I mean I hear people so much say "Oh lets do it from a 60 roll. Lets do it from an 80 roll..." Get outta here...80 roll...lmfao.

[03ssmrsx]

Yeah. It's just one of my pet peeves. I'm sure you have things that really irk you. Roll racing tends to do it for me. I probably make too big of a deal about it. It happens. I imply that FWD mostly roll race because it tends to be true. You don't see any of the RWD or AWD monsters wasting their time on the street, much less from a roll. They go race at the 1320, where it belongs. This is not to say that RWD + AWD guys don't race from rolls, because I'm sure some do. But for one, why would any intelligent AWD driver want to race from a roll anyway? AWD loses a lot of power from a roll, rendering the race stupid. I don't know. I just see roll racing as a huge crutch that FWD (more specifically Honda crew) people use to compensate for other things. I mean I hear people so much say "Oh lets do it from a 60 roll. Lets do it from an 80 roll..." Get outta here...80 roll...lmfao.

:rotfl: you're so misinformed

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

:rotfl: you're so misinformedPlease name where I am misinformed. Back your statements up instead of just spouting off nonsense.

[03ssmrsx]

Please name where I am misinformed. Back your statements up instead of just spouting off nonsense.

Why do you throw so much hate towards fwd / honda crowd? Considering its coming from a guy who re badged his acura to a honda.

[xonic]

I think he means more people that insist that (Roll Racing) is the only option. They generally tend to be FWD owners, and generally tend to be Honda drivers and in this forum tend to be RSX owners. Im just genralizing though, lol.

How much is your Skittle putting down? I've been looking in to buying an '05 in my area...trying to resist the urge! :noes::run:

I don't know. I'll probably hit a dyno soon enough but I've gotta throw on my intercooler and fuel pump first.

Yeah. It's just one of my pet peeves. I'm sure you have things that really irk you. Roll racing tends to do it for me. I probably make too big of a deal about it. It happens. I imply that FWD mostly roll race because it tends to be true. You don't see any of the RWD or AWD monsters wasting their time on the street, much less from a roll. They go race at the 1320, where it belongs. This is not to say that RWD + AWD guys don't race from rolls, because I'm sure some do. But for one, why would any intelligent AWD driver want to race from a roll anyway? AWD loses a lot of power from a roll, rendering the race stupid. I don't know. I just see roll racing as a huge crutch that FWD (more specifically Honda crew) people use to compensate for other things. I mean I hear people so much say "Oh lets do it from a 60 roll. Lets do it from an 80 roll..." Get outta here...80 roll...lmfao.

lol, I saw a bolt-on/turbo swapped bugeye wrx run a supra from a 60-80 roll this weekend :rotfl:.

I'd like to be able to have a decent dig race but I need a clutch first cause I know if I get some sticky tires it'll be the end of my stock clutch, setting up boost by gear would help a little too.

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

Why do you throw so much hate towards fwd / honda crowd? Considering its coming from a guy who re badged his acura to a honda.I actually like Hondas/Acuras. I just don't like the mentality that is rampant on this and many other forums. The attitude where I/H/E/K-pro is the solution to beating any car, but only if you take them from a 3rd gear pull. See how ridiculous that sounds? If one wants to prove their car, one shouldn't have to go through all of these conditions and use all of these crutches to do so. Rebadge was done when I had the JDM y0 phase that most Honda people go through. And plus, I like the fact that it throws so many people off ;)

I don't know. I'll probably hit a dyno soon enough but I've gotta throw on my intercooler and fuel pump first.



lol, I saw a bolt-on/turbo swapped bugeye wrx run a supra from a 60-80 roll this weekend :rotfl:.

I'd like to be able to have a decent dig race but I need a clutch first cause I know if I get some sticky tires it'll be the end of my stock clutch, setting up boost by gear would help a little too.But see, what is the point? I can out-accelerate you in a span of 20mph?

[DC5hondaintegra]

dude i understand the point you are trying to make, but you don't have to be such a condescending asshole about it. after all, you yourself do drive a slow, fwd honduh...it's not just fwd cars that race from a roll. have you ever seen videos on youtube, streetfire, etc.? every kind of car races from a roll. probably because it's not safe to come to a dead stop in the middle of a highway...or because it's childish (not to mention boring, annoying, waste of time) to race from one stoplight to the next. i have seen high horsepower cobras, t/a's, corvettes, supras, rx-7's etc. race from a roll on the highway. does that mean they are candy asses who drive fwd grocery getters? NO it means that they like to race random people on the highway when the opportuinty presents itself.

pull your head out of your ass. clean ride by the way

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

dude i understand the point you are trying to make, but you don't have to be such a condescending asshole about it. after all, you yourself do drive a slow, fwd honduh...it's not just fwd cars that race from a roll. have you ever seen videos on youtube, streetfire, etc.? every kind of car races from a roll. probably because it's not safe to come to a dead stop in the middle of a highway...or because it's childish (not to mention boring, annoying, waste of time) to race from one stoplight to the next. i have seen high horsepower cobras, t/a's, corvettes, supras, rx-7's etc. race from a roll on the highway. does that mean they are candy asses who drive fwd grocery getters? NO it means that they like to race random people on the highway when the opportuinty presents itself.

pull your head out of your ass. clean ride by the wayYeah yeah. I might come off as an asshole, but that's not really my intention. Nonetheless, I do drive a slow Honduh, but I never got it in hopes of being fast, nor did I mod it in hopes of being fast. I actually do use it to get groceries, haul myself around etc.

Of course I have seen the videos on Youtube and Streetfire. But handfuls of videos do not accurately represent the car scene as a whole. Thx. for the compliment btw :thumbsup:

[Blown'02]

:popcorn: is this limesour under a new name? :dontknow: Its deffinetly interesting with all the tolls!:shady:

CRSX is charging now too :confused:

[jopanet]

the only true race is on a racetrack, not a dragstrip... the only thing that proves is who's got a faster car, not whos a better driver

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

the only true race is on a racetrack, not a dragstrip... the only thing that proves is who's got a faster car, not whos a better driverTechnically speaking, both are races. A race is defined as a "contest of speed" which both fall under.

[stwatson]

dude i understand the point you are trying to make, but you don't have to be such a condescending asshole about it. after all, you yourself do drive a slow, fwd honduh...it's not just fwd cars that race from a roll. have you ever seen videos on youtube, streetfire, etc.? every kind of car races from a roll. probably because it's not safe to come to a dead stop in the middle of a highway...or because it's childish (not to mention boring, annoying, waste of time) to race from one stoplight to the next. i have seen high horsepower cobras, t/a's, corvettes, supras, rx-7's etc. race from a roll on the highway. does that mean they are candy asses who drive fwd grocery getters? NO it means that they like to race random people on the highway when the opportuinty presents itself.

pull your head out of your ass. clean ride by the way

I think this was the nicer version of saying what I was trying to say:laughing:. I did take it as an asshole move as well...but I guess you didnt mean to come across that harsh. Sry bout the previous comments...it just bugs me when someone tries to tell me that my car isnt a quick car. I know its not the fastest out there...but it is capable of surprising many people and I've put a good amount of time, effort, and enjoyment into the car.

Drag races are fun. I've done them. Im not good at them for the obvious reasons of drive train platform, but its still fun to do. I still do perform well at a drag strip against other RWD cars though. When I can pull a 13.2 at 108mph...thats a pretty fast time from a dig, so I wouldnt consider my car a slow honduh grocery getter (BTW it is still pretty good at gettin the groceries with a 35mpg efficiency and looking classy).

Roll races are just where I get most of my races. Im not saying that I refuse to race from a dig...I just dont have the opportunity to as often. The thread starter was looking for insight on GTO's vs supercharged RSX's and my experiences were from a dig and highway...which is why I posted it. I think it was just a misunderstanding...

Me and all others griping about this topic = :chillout:

[TYPEzachS]

no no no sorrys this was getting good :(

[orangekeebler]

I love GTO's. Soon as I find a salvaged one, I will let you know which is faster. hahaha. My money is on the GTO though, especially from a dig. I would hope you spent some money on a Limited Slip.

LSD's dont change a dig launch.

[04azuremach]

the only true race is on a racetrack, not a dragstrip... the only thing that proves is who's got a faster car, not whos a better driverYou've obviously never driven a fast car to make a statement like that.

[orangekeebler]

You've obviously never driven a fast car to make a statement like that.

:popcorn:

[ruiisu]

You've obviously never driven a fast car to make a statement like that.

What do you mean? He sorta makes half a point...

I've driven a few (fast cars) and some what agree and disagree. I think real racing is auto-x and road course.
On the streets (street drag racing to be specific) its almost never about who is better at what they do and occasionally its about who goes first and most of the time its who has a faster ride under those conditions. Simple numbers and conditions. I will agree a street drag race is a race but a pointless one in my opinion however fun they might be.

Of course it all depends on what you want to do...
-have the fastest ride
-be the fastest racer

[TYPEzachS]

Some valid points^^ :popcorn:

[xonic]

the only true race is on a racetrack, not a dragstrip... the only thing that proves is who's got a faster car, not whos a better driver

What's it matter who's the best driver if you lost? That means even with better driving, you still weren't fast enough.

[04azuremach]

What do you mean he sorta makes half a point...

I've driven a few (fast cars) and some what agree and disagree. I think real racing is auto-x and road course.
On the streets (street drag racing to be specific) its almost never about who is better at what they do and occasionally its about who goes first and most of the time its who has a faster ride under those conditions. Simple numbers and conditions. I will agree a street drag race is a race but a pointless one in my opinion however fun they might be.

Of course it all depends on what you want to do...
-have the fastest ride
-be the fastest racer
Auto X is a bastard sport and fucking retarded IMO. You'll never see that sport on TV on a regular basis like you do road courses and drag racing. I'm talking about drag racing at the track, not the streets. On the streets, whoever has the faster car will eventually pass the slower car regardless of skill. It's different in the 1/4 mile if a bad driver makes a mistake, he won't have time to make up for it by the finish line.

[ruiisu]

Auto X is a bastard sport and fucking retarded IMO. You'll never see that sport on TV on a regular basis like you do road courses and drag racing. I'm talking about drag racing at the track, not the streets. On the streets, whoever has the faster car will eventually pass the slower car regardless of skill. It's different in the 1/4 mile if a bad driver makes a mistake, he won't have time to make up for it by the finish line.

Bastard sport? Nah, some have done it for years and it takes a lot of skill and years of dedication to both be good and prep a good ride. I think it takes a lot more skill to Auto X. I take it you don't like Rally or the WRC which are televised all over the rest of the planet and are basically several Auto-X time attack stages strung together over different terrains and countries all over the world. Anyways to each his own... for example:

I was stressing the "street" part about drag racing because I wanted to avoid you repeating the above since I assumed that is what you meant, though I probably should have mentioned that I enjoy NHRA Drag events and hit the drag strip every so often. I just don't care as much for 'em and get bored after a while like I do with Nascar.

[04azuremach]

The rally racing is a little more fun to watch than auto-x. Those little auto-x racing events done in parking lots don't do anything for me. Those times mean nothing to anyone unless you compare it to someone at the same event on the same day. A time slip at a 1/4 mile track means something just like a lap time on a road course or even in a rally race...

[ruiisu]

The rally racing is a little more fun to watch than auto-x. Those little auto-x racing events done in parking lots don't do anything for me. Those times mean nothing to anyone unless you compare it to someone at the same event on the same day. A time slip at a 1/4 mile track means something just like a lap time on a road course or even in a rally race...

I agree with everything so please don't bash auto-x. Rally is more fun but I still like Auto-X. It is like you say, a one time deal and all results unique to all other events. Either you win or you lose, no rematch. On the same token though you can argue all you like about your 1/4 mile in Florida but it won't mean jack shit in Texas, Michigan or Washington or any other strip that has different conditions, elevations and weather. I mean would you honestly argue with me about a time slip you got in the winter when I have a comparable car and raced it around high noon in the summer? :dontknow:

[04azuremach]

I agree with everything so please don't bash auto-x. Rally is more fun but I still like Auto-X. It is like you say, a one time deal and all results unique to all other events. Either you win or you lose, no rematch. On the same token though you can argue all you like about your 1/4 mile in Florida but it won't mean jack shit in Texas, Michigan or Washington or any other strip that has different conditions, elevations and weather. I mean would you honestly argue with me about a time slip you got in the winter when I have a comparable car and raced it around high noon in the summer? :dontknow:
If they're very close then no I wouldn't try to say my car is faster, but if you went a 14.2 and I went 10.8 under different conditions, I'd still argue that my car is considerably faster.

[ruiisu]

If they're very close then no I wouldn't try to say my car is faster, but if you went a 14.2 and I went 10.8 under different conditions, I'd still argue that my car is considerably faster.

If the difference was that big I wouldn't even argue back. I'd keep my tail tucked in firmly between my legs and keep my mouth shut. :laughing: Im talking more about half to full second differences.

Im too lazy to read the rest of the thread... did this race even happen? :shady:

[04azuremach]

If the difference was that big I wouldn't even argue back. I'd keep my tail tucked in firmly between my legs and keep my mouth shut. :laughing: Im talking more about half to full second differences.

Im too lazy to read the rest of the thread... did this race even happen? :shady:
Well at my power level a full second difference is HUGE. I don't see my car running a second slower in any condition... maybe 3 tenths at most. Maybe a little more at very very high altitude, but not much more. I like drag races between two cars that are very close. This past weekend I was only running on 7 cylinders which slowed me down to the exact same speed as my friend Kevin. He beat me by .005 seconds. That was my favorite race of all time (that I didn't win lol)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/wllbndthrw/th_machmanmdss030208.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v481/wllbndthrw/?action=view&current=machmanmdss030208.flv)

[ruiisu]

Yes those are the best races where it could go wither way. The ones where when you lose you dont know whether it was your fault, or if the other guy is just that much more faster or just fate.

So you have a Mustang? I'll check out the vid when I get back home...(work internet blocking.) Yeah a second is a big difference but I would imagine the location and condition would make a lot more impact on a turbo than on an S/C and N/A or am I wrong?

[bombboy]

Yes those are the best races where it could go wither way. The ones where when you lose you dont know whether it was your fault, or if the other guy is just that much more faster or just fate.

So you have a Mustang? I'll check out the vid when I get back home...(work internet blocking.) Yeah a second is a big difference but I would imagine the location and condition would make a lot more impact on a turbo than on an S/C and N/A or am I wrong?

Auto-X isn't real racing, get over it. It's fun, no one takes away from that, but it doesn't compare to rally for shit and has no real world derivative.

[ruiisu]

Auto-X isn't real racing, get over it. It's fun, no one takes away from that, but it doesn't compare to rally for shit and has no real world derivative.

It was just a matter of time! :laughing:
I never meant to say its on the same level but w/e its still racing IMO.
Go auto-x your Mini you hater...:p

P.S. Thats was soooo last page... LoL

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

Meh, what turns me off about Auto-X is the attitude many of them have. Their elitist "Auto-X > your soul" attitude turns me off.

[ruiisu]

Meh, what turns me off about Auto-X is the attitude many of them have. Their elitist "Auto-X > your soul" attitude turns me off.

Just do it for yourself...I guess.
Yeah, you'll find attitude anywhere, however, for whatever and whenever. :firemad: You going tonight?

[MuGeN PoWeR's Bro]

Just do it for yourself...I guess.
Yeah, you'll find attitude anywhere, however, for whatever and whenever. :firemad: You going tonight?Philosophy essay, English essay, packing for Key West > me

So I'll see the Miami Crew in two Thursdays :wavey:

[jopanet]

You've obviously never driven a fast car to make a statement like that.

blah blah

[04azuremach]

blah blah

I rest my case