methanol/water injection

caseyrsx-s · 01-18-2005, 10:12 PM

well...? Anyone tried it? I might try it out. I would be able to hook it up and run it through the nitirous program on K-pro, right?

krystar · 01-18-2005, 10:25 PM

sonny was running injection wasn't he? now he's on nitrous :P

tt061880 · 01-18-2005, 10:31 PM

I was also considering that option, it's a lot cheaper than nitrous.

caseyrsx-s · 01-18-2005, 10:32 PM

they did it on an 03 cobra and got 90 more rwhp out of it.

tt061880 · 01-18-2005, 11:28 PM

a member on this board used it with turbo and I think he got over 300whp out of it with a bit over 8psi of boost.

BlackNite · 01-19-2005, 10:08 AM

Wait.. I don't understand this concept. You cannot combust water, so are you using it for cooling? Anyone have any links so I can read up on it before I start asking dumb questions?

krystar · 01-19-2005, 10:35 AM

yea fer cooling. water is a great heat absorber.

tt061880 · 01-19-2005, 11:42 AM

water/methanol being spray as mist. Since energy can't be create or destroy, the heat in the combustion chamber have to escape to somewhere. That heat would diffuse through the cylinder walls and out to the exhaust. In this case, that heat would vaporize the water. You now will have more oxygen in the cylinder and the temp also drop. The boost will also go up a bit since you have more oxygen.

**Hondata** · 01-19-2005, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caseyrsx-s

well...? Anyone tried it? I might try it out. I would be able to hook it up and run it through the nitirous program on K-pro, right?

Methanol is a high octane fuel. It may enable you to increase the ignition timing as the car will be less likely to knock.

Using the Nitrous control panel you would add timing and subtract fuel.

bryson · 01-19-2005, 07:14 PM

With the amount of methanol you're talking about for water injection, I don't think you would need to take any fuel out.

caseyrsx-s · 01-20-2005, 12:36 AM

I guess i will be the first tring this on a JRSC RSX. Anyone know where to find good kits? I was also thinking about just making one.

bryson · 01-20-2005, 01:43 PM

I made mine -- it wasn't too difficult. I'll try and find the site that gives a good outline for how to do it. I changed several things, but it's the same basic concept. I used the TEC3 to cut it on, but you could use the Hobbs switch that he talks about -- that's how we did it on my friend's RX7. Good luck!
--Bryson

bryson · 01-20-2005, 01:44 PM

http://members.cox.net/stevemonroe/AlcoholInjMod.html

--found the link

oscar_msl · 01-24-2005, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondata

Methanol is a high octane fuel. It may enable you to increase the ignition timing as the car will be less likely to knock.

Using the Nitrous control panel you would add timing and subtract fuel.

Hondata:

Can I use it , with a jrsc, .I am running 9 psi now and 550 inyectors.
You mean add methanol instead water or both?An then make the settings with the k-pro???

How many hp can i get????:
Can i use it all the time??.

Thanks in advance

tt061880 · 01-28-2005, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondata

Methanol is a high octane fuel. It may enable you to increase the ignition timing as the car will be less likely to knock.

Using the Nitrous control panel you would add timing and subtract fuel.

you don't take out fuel, you NEED TO ADD fuel to begin with. Water/methanol will cause the a/f ratio to be lean. It is recommended by a lot of people to tune your a/f to be 12.0 before adding water/methanol. Your a/f afterward will be aroud high 12.

ze_beeved · 02-08-2005, 04:48 PM

It doesn't help that methanol is stoich at 6.4:1 instead of 14.7:1 like gas. Anytime you add it, it's gonna be leaner. Just make sure you know methanol though. It has a tendency to eat rubber things and when it burns, you can't see the flame. Happy tuning!

DC5Booster · 02-11-2005, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caseyrsx-s

well...? Anyone tried it? I might try it out. I would be able to hook it up and run it through the nitirous program on K-pro, right?

Hondata will help you program this, i think

coolguy · 04-14-2005, 09:00 PM

bump, would love to hear more about this if anyone has anything to contribute to the discussion. I have heard of the snowperformance kit working pretty good with s/c ford focuses (foci?)... its around $300, seems like you may be able to install a second window wiper tank on the opposite side of ours to house the mix...

zirconc · 08-11-2005, 11:23 PM

I guess I will bring this topic back alive. My friend got one with his supercharger and seems to have a good result. I wonder what will this thing do to NA car. Any one have any ideas? And how many % ratio does the mixture have to be? Since our car runs pretty hot, cooling it down will do wonders

K20A2_S · 08-12-2005, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zirconc

I guess I will bring this topic back alive. My friend got one with his supercharger and seems to have a good result. I wonder what will this thing do to NA car. Any one have any ideas? And how many % ratio does the mixture have to be? Since our car runs pretty hot, cooling it down will do wonders

Did he dyno before hand?? then afterward?? How much WHP doesn he think he picked up??

zirconc · 08-12-2005, 07:13 PM

no idea.. he probably needs to dyno tune it. right now, I am just going by what he say. The concept sounds pretty good though.

LoProS86 · 08-12-2005, 07:19 PM

the only thing im shakey is that methanol can and will eat up your internals - it eats up anything it touches. I have been debating a water injection kit if JR doesnt come out with any progress on a colling system i just might take that road

zirconc · 08-12-2005, 11:03 PM

is methanol the samething as ethanol? Does it do the same damage? Becase it is possible to mix ethanol too I think.

Bubz · 08-23-2005, 06:05 AM

www.snowperformance.net

Good site..Has Injection kits.

Im also thinking about this. Cause it helps w/ detonation. Im running a 11:5:1 Compression Ratio and when I boost up to 9 lbs Im gonna need a away to keep my air cool @ high RPMS

Bubz · 08-23-2005, 11:01 PM

Bump Anyone?^^

01-18-2005, 10:12 PM	#1
caseyrsx-s Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 114 iTrader: (0)	methanol/water injection well...? Anyone tried it? I might try it out. I would be able to hook it up and run it through the nitirous program on K-pro, right?

01-18-2005, 10:25 PM	#2
krystar Master Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Streamwood/Chicago Posts: 23,880 iTrader: (8)	sonny was running injection wasn't he? now he's on nitrous :P __________________ Deaths: Ferrari F40 40-130 by train lengths Bentley Continental GT 60-100 by bus lengths Lexus ISF 60-100 by a bus length Kills:Porsche Cayenne S 0-90

01-19-2005, 10:08 AM	#6
BlackNite SS Specialist to the 6th Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 32,289 iTrader: (9)	Wait.. I don't understand this concept. You cannot combust water, so are you using it for cooling? Anyone have any links so I can read up on it before I start asking dumb questions? __________________ My Home Page

01-19-2005, 10:35 AM	#7
krystar Master Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Streamwood/Chicago Posts: 23,880 iTrader: (8)	yea fer cooling. water is a great heat absorber. __________________ Deaths: Ferrari F40 40-130 by train lengths Bentley Continental GT 60-100 by bus lengths Lexus ISF 60-100 by a bus length Kills:Porsche Cayenne S 0-90

01-19-2005, 07:14 PM	#10
bryson lol the WB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Charleston/Clemson Posts: 1,745 iTrader: (0)	With the amount of methanol you're talking about for water injection, I don't think you would need to take any fuel out. __________________ 1987 BMW M6 -- Dinan chip, Euro exhaust, Bilsteins + Racing Dynamics 1988 BMW M5 -- the newest addition FOR SALE 1990 Audi Coupe Quattro -- H&R springs PARTING OUT 1988 VW GTI 16v -- broken crankshaft, R.I.P. "the matador" 1988 Pontiac Fiero -- pump gas 400whp, 370wtq -- 2.3L Quad4 engine 1985 Toyota Corolla -- 20v turbo -- in progress

01-18-2005, 10:31 PM	#3
tt061880 Master Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: South Fla Posts: 2,012 iTrader: (0)	I was also considering that option, it's a lot cheaper than nitrous.

01-18-2005, 10:32 PM	#4
caseyrsx-s Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 114 iTrader: (0)	they did it on an 03 cobra and got 90 more rwhp out of it.

01-18-2005, 11:28 PM	#5
tt061880 Master Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: South Fla Posts: 2,012 iTrader: (0)	a member on this board used it with turbo and I think he got over 300whp out of it with a bit over 8psi of boost.

01-19-2005, 11:42 AM	#8
tt061880 Master Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: South Fla Posts: 2,012 iTrader: (0)	water/methanol being spray as mist. Since energy can't be create or destroy, the heat in the combustion chamber have to escape to somewhere. That heat would diffuse through the cylinder walls and out to the exhaust. In this case, that heat would vaporize the water. You now will have more oxygen in the cylinder and the temp also drop. The boost will also go up a bit since you have more oxygen.

01-20-2005, 12:36 AM	#11
caseyrsx-s Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 114 iTrader: (0)	I guess i will be the first tring this on a JRSC RSX. Anyone know where to find good kits? I was also thinking about just making one.

01-20-2005, 01:43 PM	#12
bryson lol the WB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Charleston/Clemson Posts: 1,745 iTrader: (0)	I made mine -- it wasn't too difficult. I'll try and find the site that gives a good outline for how to do it. I changed several things, but it's the same basic concept. I used the TEC3 to cut it on, but you could use the Hobbs switch that he talks about -- that's how we did it on my friend's RX7. Good luck! --Bryson __________________ 1987 BMW M6 -- Dinan chip, Euro exhaust, Bilsteins + Racing Dynamics 1988 BMW M5 -- the newest addition FOR SALE 1990 Audi Coupe Quattro -- H&R springs PARTING OUT 1988 VW GTI 16v -- broken crankshaft, R.I.P. "the matador" 1988 Pontiac Fiero -- pump gas 400whp, 370wtq -- 2.3L Quad4 engine 1985 Toyota Corolla -- 20v turbo -- in progress

01-20-2005, 01:44 PM	#13
bryson lol the WB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Charleston/Clemson Posts: 1,745 iTrader: (0)	http://members.cox.net/stevemonroe/AlcoholInjMod.html --found the link __________________ 1987 BMW M6 -- Dinan chip, Euro exhaust, Bilsteins + Racing Dynamics 1988 BMW M5 -- the newest addition FOR SALE 1990 Audi Coupe Quattro -- H&R springs PARTING OUT 1988 VW GTI 16v -- broken crankshaft, R.I.P. "the matador" 1988 Pontiac Fiero -- pump gas 400whp, 370wtq -- 2.3L Quad4 engine 1985 Toyota Corolla -- 20v turbo -- in progress

02-08-2005, 04:48 PM	#16
ze_beeved Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 32 iTrader: (0)	It doesn't help that methanol is stoich at 6.4:1 instead of 14.7:1 like gas. Anytime you add it, it's gonna be leaner. Just make sure you know methanol though. It has a tendency to eat rubber things and when it burns, you can't see the flame. Happy tuning!

04-14-2005, 09:00 PM	#18
coolguy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: your mom (nor cal) Posts: 910 iTrader: (0)	bump, would love to hear more about this if anyone has anything to contribute to the discussion. I have heard of the snowperformance kit working pretty good with s/c ford focuses (foci?)... its around $300, seems like you may be able to install a second window wiper tank on the opposite side of ours to house the mix...

08-11-2005, 11:23 PM	#19
zirconc Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 895 iTrader: (6)	I guess I will bring this topic back alive. My friend got one with his supercharger and seems to have a good result. I wonder what will this thing do to NA car. Any one have any ideas? And how many % ratio does the mixture have to be? Since our car runs pretty hot, cooling it down will do wonders

08-12-2005, 07:13 PM	#21
zirconc Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 895 iTrader: (6)	no idea.. he probably needs to dyno tune it. right now, I am just going by what he say. The concept sounds pretty good though.

08-12-2005, 07:19 PM	#22
LoProS86 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NY Posts: 345 iTrader: (0)	the only thing im shakey is that methanol can and will eat up your internals - it eats up anything it touches. I have been debating a water injection kit if JR doesnt come out with any progress on a colling system i just might take that road

08-12-2005, 11:03 PM	#23
zirconc Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 895 iTrader: (6)	is methanol the samething as ethanol? Does it do the same damage? Becase it is possible to mix ethanol too I think.

08-23-2005, 06:05 AM	#24
Bubz Nikon Whore® Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 5,949 iTrader: (38)	www.snowperformance.net Good site..Has Injection kits. Im also thinking about this. Cause it helps w/ detonation. Im running a 11:5:1 Compression Ratio and when I boost up to 9 lbs Im gonna need a away to keep my air cool @ high RPMS __________________ 2006 Acura TL White Diamond Pearl Nikon D90 Crew

08-23-2005, 11:01 PM	#25
Bubz Nikon Whore® Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 5,949 iTrader: (38)	Bump Anyone?^^ __________________ 2006 Acura TL White Diamond Pearl Nikon D90 Crew