Raz K20a3 cams, untuned dyno

chunky · 06-21-2005, 11:58 PM

Please keep in mind that the map I used to obtain these dynos is a very very rough calibration. There is more power to be had. How much? I'm not sure, so don't ask. The base map that will ship with the cams will have a much smoother powerband and possibly greater peak numbers. I also expect that fresher motors will make better numbers as the test motor has 114,000+ miles.

right click save-as for video

Graphs are SAE standardized with level 5 smoothing.

PacDawg · 06-22-2005, 12:09 AM

Wow. Nice gains just from swapping out the cams. What other mods does the test car have?

Dr. RSXPiiimP · 06-22-2005, 12:09 AM

holy shit im glad i was awake

love the numbers

joriz RSX · 06-22-2005, 12:10 AM

All I can say right now is wow.

That is certainly an immense gain for just putting in the cams and there is still more power to gain with some tuning as well.

I see on the dyno sheets that there is a power dip at 4.5k but I'm sure you might be able to tune that out eventually, very nice to see that there is some N/A hope for the K20A3.

Since this was done on an EP3, I just wonder who will be the guinea pig for the base RSX 5-spd.

Very nice numbers and congrats chunky. You will be offering other sets of these cams for sale right?

joriz RSX · 06-22-2005, 12:13 AM

I forgot to ask, is your idle still very rough with the cams? What RPM are you idling at with the new cams?

**03DSM-RSX** · 06-22-2005, 12:15 AM

i havent kept up to ur other thread but will it work for base auto? disregarding the ECU tuning part.

no a/f charts to look at? i'd like to see the a/f mix to see if any more tuning can gain HP, which i'm pretty sure it will but u cant change cam angle via safc2.

chunky · 06-22-2005, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PacDawg

Wow. Nice gains just from swapping out the cams. What other mods does the test car have?

i/h/e.

chunky · 06-22-2005, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 03DSM-RSX

i havent kept up to ur other thread but will it work for base auto? disregarding the ECU tuning part.

no a/f charts to look at? i'd like to see the a/f mix to see if any more tuning can gain HP, which i'm pretty sure it will but u cant change cam angle via safc2.

like I said, this map is untuned. I put this map together before the cams were put in the car, and it was only modified enough to let the car idle w/o stalling. it needs a LOT of work.

Dr. RSXPiiimP · 06-22-2005, 12:24 AM

how much gains do expect with tuning 5-10 whp or more?

EVega · 06-22-2005, 12:30 AM

subscribed!

chunky · 06-22-2005, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSXPiiimP

how much gains do expect with tuning 5-10 whp or more?

re-read the first post, I bold faced & increased the font size on a few key phrases.

Dr. RSXPiiimP · 06-22-2005, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chunky

re-read the first post, I bold faced & increased the font size on a few key phrases.

whoops, wasnt there the first time i looked. great numbers, check cp

**park83rsx** · 06-22-2005, 12:46 AM

Damn, very nice numbers chunky.

Looks like vtec needs changed a little...but none the less, great gains and good numbers from an A3.

Peak power around 7.5k, and good torque numbers.

Not to mention a 30whp gain over stock, wow!!!!

Silverbeast · 06-22-2005, 12:51 AM

I'm quite impressed. I would love to see what it puts down tuned.... Good Job.

SiK LiL pLaYa · 06-22-2005, 12:58 AM

Great job and great untuned numbers man. Try and see if you can find an A3 down in Torrance as a guinea pig and pay sean chruch/hondata to do a full tune on this. If you are going to be selling this then its definately a good idea to get them to do a full tune so that it could eventually be included in KPRO.

Importtuner · 06-22-2005, 01:07 AM

Nice #s! You seem to be revving a bit high though for a stock K20a3 bottom end.

**aftershock141** · 06-22-2005, 01:09 AM

Wow I wanna see what this is like after tuning. I would like to be a guinea pig for the 5 spd base, but I live in Illinois...and I don't know what I'm doing so I don't know how well that'd work out...

NHB_DC5R · 06-22-2005, 01:11 AM

omg, i want i want

**aftershock141** · 06-22-2005, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Importtuner

Nice #s! You seem to be revving a bit high though for a stock K20a3 bottom end.

Reflash...

WhiZ · 06-22-2005, 01:16 AM

I'm sorry, but while the peak whp gains are very impressive, am I the only one concerned about the *huge* losses from 2000 to 5-5500rpm, where you'll spend 80% of your time at?

I realize you say you have a lot of tuning to go, but do you think you'll be able to get that low-mid range up to some good numbers?

I don't want to be a party-pooper, but if I saw mid-range losses like that, I'd be a bit concerned....

Peace

WhiZ

SilverRSXJezus · 06-22-2005, 01:16 AM

Nice...

Heh, how much would these cams cost? And do you think it's possible that if a base 5 speed were to have the same setup as yours, it'll dyno with less power? Since it's got a plastic IM and you have the aluminum IM. Because I noticed that the base drops in hp quicker around 7000 rpms than the civic si. thanks in advance

joriz RSX · 06-22-2005, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHB_DC5R

omg, i want i want

Are you gonna be the guinea pig man? Now you can kill Scion tC's w/ TRD SC

SilverRSXJezus · 06-22-2005, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiZ

I'm sorry, but while the peak whp gains are very impressive, am I the only one concerned about the *huge* losses from 2000 to 5-5500rpm, where you'll spend 80% of your time at?

I realize you say you have a lot of tuning to go, but do you think you'll be able to get that low-mid range up to some good numbers?

I don't want to be a party-pooper, but if I saw mid-range losses like that, I'd be a bit concerned....

Peace

WhiZ

Heh, now that you mentioned it, I just noticed that as well. At lower rpms, there's a considerable loss in HP...I just hope that can be fixed with more tuning or whatever. Otherwise it might not be a very good daily driver

SiK LiL pLaYa · 06-22-2005, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiZ

I'm sorry, but while the peak whp gains are very impressive, am I the only one concerned about the *huge* losses from 2000 to 5-5500rpm, where you'll spend 80% of your time at?

I realize you say you have a lot of tuning to go, but do you think you'll be able to get that low-mid range up to some good numbers?

I don't want to be a party-pooper, but if I saw mid-range losses like that, I'd be a bit concerned....

Peace

WhiZ

Good point, I didnt even look at that lol.

NHB_DC5R · 06-22-2005, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joriz RSX

Are you gonna be the guinea pig man? Now you can kill Scion tC's w/ TRD SC

i would but i live in florida

06-21-2005, 11:58 PM	#1
chunky frank and beans! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: ATL, ga Posts: 1,894 iTrader: (29)	Raz K20a3 cams, untuned dyno, 30whp gain Please keep in mind that the map I used to obtain these dynos is a very very rough calibration. There is more power to be had. How much? I'm not sure, so don't ask. The base map that will ship with the cams will have a much smoother powerband and possibly greater peak numbers. I also expect that fresher motors will make better numbers as the test motor has 114,000+ miles. right click save-as for video Graphs are SAE standardized with level 5 smoothing. __________________ 2002 ep3 - you may call her estella, current: IPS K2 Mark III coming soon, Click to see full mod list All Motor crew: lucky #7 You can take me out of the race, but you can't take the race out of me. Last edited by chunky; 06-22-2005 at 02:44 AM.

06-22-2005, 12:09 AM	#2
PacDawg K24/20 N/A 12.5@107mph Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Nor*Cal Posts: 1,940 iTrader: (11)	Wow. Nice gains just from swapping out the cams. What other mods does the test car have? __________________ My Car: 02 Fire Pepper Red RSX-S MODS: k24/20, 12.5 comp. pistons, Stg2 cams, springs and ti retainers, Race Header, Hondata Kpro, Injen CAI, Fujitsubo Legalis-R / 3" Ebay Exhaust, RBC IM, RDX Inj., ES MM, Action Clutch, CC Flywheel

06-22-2005, 12:09 AM	#3
Dr. RSXPiiimP B Like Mike Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Hi, Hawaii Posts: 14,107 iTrader: (9)	holy shit im glad i was awake love the numbers __________________ Dr. G I A N T S = Superbowl Champions How Bags Goes to Sleeps Everynight How Bags Quenches His Thirst How Bags Rides His Cherry 64' How Bags Enjoys A Beer After Work

06-22-2005, 12:10 AM	#4
joriz RSX Shake that money maker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Torrance, CA Posts: 4,786 iTrader: (10)	All I can say right now is wow. That is certainly an immense gain for just putting in the cams and there is still more power to gain with some tuning as well. I see on the dyno sheets that there is a power dip at 4.5k but I'm sure you might be able to tune that out eventually, very nice to see that there is some N/A hope for the K20A3. Since this was done on an EP3, I just wonder who will be the guinea pig for the base RSX 5-spd. Very nice numbers and congrats chunky. You will be offering other sets of these cams for sale right? __________________ 2006 Magnesium Metallic Acura RSX Type-S (Gone..) Canon Digital Rebel XT \| EF-S 18-55mm \| EF-S 17-85mm IS \| CSULB Crew #001

06-22-2005, 12:13 AM	#5
joriz RSX Shake that money maker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Torrance, CA Posts: 4,786 iTrader: (10)	I forgot to ask, is your idle still very rough with the cams? What RPM are you idling at with the new cams? __________________ 2006 Magnesium Metallic Acura RSX Type-S (Gone..) Canon Digital Rebel XT \| EF-S 18-55mm \| EF-S 17-85mm IS \| CSULB Crew #001

06-22-2005, 12:15 AM	#6
03DSM-RSX 713 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston Posts: 13,019 iTrader: (11)	i havent kept up to ur other thread but will it work for base auto? disregarding the ECU tuning part. no a/f charts to look at? i'd like to see the a/f mix to see if any more tuning can gain HP, which i'm pretty sure it will but u cant change cam angle via safc2. __________________ st00pified and Kpro'd RSX Base Auto w/ IPT Race Trans 260+whp/235+wtq 2010 BMW 335d w/ Sport Package

06-22-2005, 12:24 AM	#9
Dr. RSXPiiimP B Like Mike Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Hi, Hawaii Posts: 14,107 iTrader: (9)	how much gains do expect with tuning 5-10 whp or more? __________________ Dr. G I A N T S = Superbowl Champions How Bags Goes to Sleeps Everynight How Bags Quenches His Thirst How Bags Rides His Cherry 64' How Bags Enjoys A Beer After Work

06-22-2005, 12:30 AM	#10
EVega Good Guys Finish Last Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,001 iTrader: (23)	subscribed! __________________ Stock is back

06-22-2005, 12:46 AM	#13
park83rsx Master Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: central PA Posts: 7,639 iTrader: (5)	Damn, very nice numbers chunky. Looks like vtec needs changed a little...but none the less, great gains and good numbers from an A3. Peak power around 7.5k, and good torque numbers. Not to mention a 30whp gain over stock, wow!!!! Last edited by park83rsx; 06-22-2005 at 03:43 AM.

06-22-2005, 12:51 AM	#14
Silverbeast Laptop & Wideband, Oh My. Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 242 iTrader: (0)	I'm quite impressed. I would love to see what it puts down tuned.... Good Job.

06-22-2005, 12:58 AM	#15
SiK LiL pLaYa !!!Master Member!!! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: 510 Bay Area, CA Posts: 5,854 iTrader: (2)	Great job and great untuned numbers man. Try and see if you can find an A3 down in Torrance as a guinea pig and pay sean chruch/hondata to do a full tune on this. If you are going to be selling this then its definately a good idea to get them to do a full tune so that it could eventually be included in KPRO. __________________ Engine: DC CAI, DC Race Header, Type-R Exhaust, Hondata IMG, UR Pulleys. www.kahlers.com

06-22-2005, 01:07 AM	#16
Importtuner Chota Spec...the only way Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In the kingdom Posts: 4,884 iTrader: (25)	Nice #s! You seem to be revving a bit high though for a stock K20a3 bottom end. __________________ -Importtuner

06-22-2005, 01:09 AM	#17
aftershock141 305whp 281wtq Join Date: May 2005 Location: Near Peoria, IL Posts: 21,653 iTrader: (12)	Wow I wanna see what this is like after tuning. I would like to be a guinea pig for the 5 spd base, but I live in Illinois...and I don't know what I'm doing so I don't know how well that'd work out... __________________ 08 OB Evo X w/ SSS and Aero Kit 300+ whp Base Crew #1 Special Thanks to: Suja1 Motoring and Dave at Whipfactory Base RSX Turbo F/S: http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=672969

06-22-2005, 01:16 AM	#20
WhiZ N/A to go please... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: North Vancouver, Canada Posts: 3,837 iTrader: (2)	I'm sorry, but while the peak whp gains are very impressive, am I the only one concerned about the huge losses from 2000 to 5-5500rpm, where you'll spend 80% of your time at? I realize you say you have a lot of tuning to go, but do you think you'll be able to get that low-mid range up to some good numbers? I don't want to be a party-pooper, but if I saw mid-range losses like that, I'd be a bit concerned.... Peace WhiZ __________________ '03 ABP RSX Type-S Go: - Hondata K-Pro running ITR cal , PRC IM, ITR cams, Hondata IMG, Injen CAI, JRRH w/test pipe, Greddy SP2, DIY Grounds Show and Suspension: - Megan Coilovers, JDM ITR 22mm Rear Sway, Ingalls rear camber kit, 17" SSR Comps w/ 225/45/17 General Exclaim UHPs, Revo ShortShifter (w/ metal bushings), Speed-Source Shifter bushings, Injen IM Cover, Mr. Alex TD, Wilwood BBK Latest dyno.... SAE 143.6 ft-lbs and 203.4 peak whp Best 1/4 mile... 13.974 @ 100.91mph with a 2.257 60'

06-22-2005, 01:16 AM	#21
SilverRSXJezus Master Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 8,854 iTrader: (0)	Nice... Heh, how much would these cams cost? And do you think it's possible that if a base 5 speed were to have the same setup as yours, it'll dyno with less power? Since it's got a plastic IM and you have the aluminum IM. Because I noticed that the base drops in hp quicker around 7000 rpms than the civic si. thanks in advance