G4 Racing coilovers

[killertofupanda]

hmmm.... i think i found, yet, another off shoot of D2 racing coilovers in disguise. the color is pretty though, like Cusco's blue, lol. just a heads up to you guys in case for future references.

http://cgi.ebay.com/G4-RACING-COILOV...QQcmdZViewItem

G4 RACING COILOVERS TO SUIT HONDA INTEGRA DC5 - AU $1200

JUSTJAP AUTO IMPORTS

PRESENTS

G4 RACING

NEW SET OF 4 FULLY ADJUSTABLE COILOVERS

TO SUIT HONDA INTEGRA 2000'-2006' ONLY

FRONT SPRING RATE: 8.7 kg/mm

REAR SPRING RATE: 9.3 kg/mm

All G4 racing shock absorbers are separate gas and oil (30% Nitrogen, 70% Oil) mono-tube design, which prevents oil leaking defects.

Complete with all adjusting spanners and allen keys.

The dampers can be disassembled, and rebuilt to meet all requirements.

The shock absorber also includes high-performance front pillow ball top mount (McPherson Type).

Our shock absorbers are made by lightweight 6061 aluminum alloy and anodized to avoid color loss.

All models can be lowered to 110mm than the original height.

The Linear rate spring is available in spring rates from 3.5-22 kg/mm.

Damper and rebound can be adjusted up to 24 ways.

All shock absorbers are adjustable for both compression and rebound.

Teflon thread coated to prevent rust and corrosion.

Our shock absorbers are qualified by "World ARTC" for million circles with no liquid leakage, qualified as race proven equipments.

G4 racing coilovers are fully Rebuildable and serviceable by JUSTJAP AUTO IMPORTS only.

Available only in BLUE

[killertofupanda]

oh and btw,

http://www.toymods.net/forums/showthread.php?t=18956

[yakuza]

Originally Posted by killertofupanda

oh and btw,

http://www.toymods.net/forums/showthread.php?t=18956
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1...aron060ys8.jpg
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http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7...aron064ah8.jpg

Hey dude, I think this broken 1 is DTM, not G4. By the way, not much different btw them anyway.

[killertofupanda]

upon closer examination, the coilovers perches does not have the d2 racing's signature design. i know the purple ones shown here aren't G4 coilovers, but at first glance, the purple anodized coloring looks like the former. if these are DTM's, my bad for misidentifcation.

[duffman13]

well they are pretty looking. too bad they probably suck

[Unbr3akable]

lol yep, shitty dampers ftl.

[rEDlinEDc5]

they look like the function and forms to me

[killertofupanda]

Originally Posted by rEDlinEDc5

they look like the function and forms to me

technically, im not suppose to share this but...

Dear D2 racing,

does your company supply coilovers to Function and Form Autolife?

http://www.f2autolife.com/storefront/


Picture of F2 coilovers

thanks,
-Allen

Hello Allen,

Thanks for your kind inquiry.

Sorry, I will not answer you about your question.

Best regards,
Amy

For the above e-mail discussion between D2 racing and I, make what you think of it.

while i had a discussion with Function & Form about the origin of their coilovers, they have rest assured me that their upcoming revised type I and type II coilover editions are not made by them.

a little more info about their upcoming type II coilovers, i was informed that they torture tested their new type II's in one of their G35's. the coilovers were put on the lowest height setting, stiffest damper level and was driven on a 3 hours road trip from SoCal to las vegas. they were going 65+mph, and in one particular moment, encounter a stretch of very rough and bumpy road that would have surely destroy any badly built coilovers. the coilovers survived without so much of a single hitch, pop, blow out, deformities, bottoming out, and oil leaks for the entire trip to SEMA that night. the new type II's are still in an ongoing trial, and some sponsored bmw's are currently or starting to test these babies as well.

function and form did mention that despite their original coilovers being considered great, they admit they weren't entirely happy and satisfied about them. the type I's kept blowing shocks and leaking oil, and the move was made onto making the type II. while the type II was a killer in many respects and many times better than the type I, they still felt the type II was far from what they wanted to offer as an all-around coilover. in other words, F2 autolife ceased the type II productions because in their opinion, they were not "good" enough even though those who have bought them can attest to their awesomeness.

i have personally talked to Preston about F2's overseas suppliers and how reputable their manufacturing quality were. he said F2's fresh start in finding a suitable supplier had been a trial and error. their move from their first supplier to their current supplier had a lot to do with politics as well as quality issues that not only restricted but did not offer what F2 wanted in their coilovers. their current supplier meets all of F2's expectations, and how exact these new type II's are in fit and finish, the prototypes came with a 30 pages manual book of schematics overviewing each of the various suspension components and specs.

while Preston dwelled about how function and form still has a long way to go in fixing all the kinks in their coilovers, he does express the F2's future goal in learning how to manufacture and produce their own here in the states. i had ask if they have plans to do any other mods, and their current take is to stick with coilovers until they have it down to perfection.

other things i got to know was the very relatively unknown type III's. other than being a pure track application, the type III (this is as far as i've heard) is going to be an electronically controlled damper. there are 32 levels of damper, selected by 4 levels in increments with several saved settings. it is still in the testing phase.

for the new type IIs, the RSX application is expected to come out sometime in May. can wait to see how these perform and live up in durability.

oh, to those going to SEMA and NOPI, you guys can find function and form as they're touring frequently these days.

[rEDlinEDc5]

imo from that response it seems like they do supply f&f but the other things you said about the new type 2's and type3's sound promising

[gthugdelux]

[locost7]

they share the same general design as ksport if that tells you anything

[killertofupanda]

Originally Posted by locost7

they share the same general design as ksport if that tells you anything

bingo.

http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forum...php/t6125.html

G4 coilover, I believe they are Taiwanese brand. You see, Taiwanese coilover usually and most likely are using suspension technology from U.K (Dont know which company). From economic/business point of view, its due to joint venture for overseas company entering the industry and in return they must share their technology for the locals to use and produce. That's why you see so many coilover brand in Taiwan, and don't be surprised if they all look the same - because it orginated from 1 design.

D2 was once made in U.K, instead of purple colour, it was yellow/blue. Its owner was taiwanese racer in U.K.

Moving out from business/economic point of view, I myself use Taiwanese brand coilover, and I gotta say, its bang for your buck in terms of street use. I can't find any fault. Pippy, our beloved member, help plenty of people in this forum obtaining taiwanese brand from different makes and model, so far no one is dissapointed. Daiyama is also Taiwanese, and hey, you heard it from him, he loves it - as he should.

So for street, taiwan made will be more than enough.

here's food for thought for those with a keen eye. the F2 one is an ep3 set, but the rsx shares the same coilover design.

D2 racing RS coilovers


KSport Kontrol Pro coilovers


Function and Form type I coilovers

[killertofupanda]

i think this hits the nail straight in.

[locost7]

i would not trust those on my car for myself driving, much less my wife. when people in taiwan can match stuff that japan, germany or the usa make, then i would consider it.

[Zzyzx]

building a Daily driver? street machine? you'll probably never have a complaint.

Building for competition.... avoid them like the plague.

[daz]

Originally Posted by Zzyzx

building a Daily driver? street machine? you'll probably never have a complaint.

Building for competition.... avoid them like the plague.

i agree....

[killertofupanda]

this is a very interesting point to bring up because some of the best known brands outsource their parts to taiwan. some food for thought.

http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/fit-s...coilovers.html

kelsodeez

i buy jdm parts because the standard of production quality in japan is much higher than most countries. too bad alot of japanese companies (tein included) outsource to have components made in china where the quality standard is much much lower. you just gotta research stuff. i bought the tein's because it was the only option at the time. not everyone is a retard and buys stuff just because its "jdm".

hondaf1racing

Be careful with buddy club because I heard that they've started outsourcing production to Taiwan (They were starting this with the DC5 coilovers).

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infantsam

Centrics are usually made in Taiwan - pretty good quality G3000 rotor
It's the Chinese rotors that are sketchy - I watched a Centric and a 'autozone' rotor on 2 similar ECHC cars. The autozone rotor was grooving after one session

VtecGSR952000

People fail to recognize that probably 75%+ of all items we buy nowadays are coming ouot of some factory in China. Then they get the proper labeling, and off they go to the distributors, to the customers.

A friend of mine is a manager of a large buisness.....wont say who. They did some investigation and found out that the SAME company is making coilovers for tein, stance, megan racing, apex-i, buddy club, I could go on!! So now they are considering marketing a set of coilovers in their own name.....since its all the same parts, why not!!

I just dont get too excited about parts unless I know first hand that these are made in house like AMS. ETS. Buschur, etc. Everything else is from china or mexico, so cant blame anyone for buying the cheapest ones!

MR Turco

It is pretty common for a company that makes multiple products to outsource the MANUFACTURING of a product. That said, it doesn't mean that if one factory makes both megan and tein products that they are going to be the same quality. Most companies will design a product and have it produced to certain specifications. Meaning they give a company the design and specifications of materials and have them create the final products based on how much they invest. Two completely different quality products can come out of the same factory depending on how much they pay for materials and QA and in turn that higher cost is passed to the consumer.

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IWINULUZ

sounds like another Taiwanese knock off coilover set-up.


found this thread on NASIOC

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1051427

yeah these are another fly by night coilover company .

they say "this company manufacturers these coilovers for tons of other companies , + sells them to car manufacturers"

these are the exact same set up as stance, buddy club, tarmac , ect ect . pretty much here is what happens . a shop gets a decent amount of money finds the Taiwanese manufacturer for the coilovers , gives them whatever name they want to sell them at , jacks the price up and sells them as some "popular" model in japan but that brand doesnt even exist in japan .

by them if you would like but the biggest problem is that shops alot of times cannot afford if there manufacturers fuck ups and if your stuck with them , or lets say alot of people get fucked up coilovers the warranty must go through the shop, which obviously the Taiwanese company covers but not until they get defective coilovers back , so good luck if the shop has the Mu-lah to cover ya in the mean time . other route would be they serve you well . and things go just fine .

but its roll of the dice .

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S repcivicsir

In fact, a lot of BIG name companys product from Japan r all either assembled or made by Taiwan these days, for example Buddy Club and as far as I know Skunk2~!

U be the judge

VTecpower

if the Ksport one is excatly the same as D2..i thinking i m going for that cuz the color looks better..lol
i think taiwanese products are not all that bad as long as the QCs are good. I've heard of most Buddy Club products are made in china ..dunno if it's true tho

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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=745293

silvscorp

Decision is yours. If money isn't an issue then go with those expensive brand names.

As for the AZ, they might have copied deisgns from others but doesn't mean they are also a crappy in quality. You can't say that just because you've never heard of them. Using Perrin for example, WRX only came out in the state for about 3 years (counting from 2002 model ) and so of course that's as long as the perrin product for wrx existed in the market (correct me if i am wrong) They are well known through out the wrx community cuz they've been proven by the crowd. Lots of people have owned their product without a problem and thus spreading good words for it. Same idea, how many people in asia, including japan, HK, taiwan etc know or even heard of Perrin?

Back to the AZ brake set, they are actually a well established brand in taiwan, they same company also makes swaybars, coilovers, etc. The caliper it self has been proven reliable. Lots of people in HK and taiwan have been using them for a long time on many different cars. A friend of mine actually bought a set to the state and I really like the build quality. I am planning on ask him to bring me a set next time too. (as long as they will fit under my wheel)

In taiwan, you can get the caliper, bracket, rotor and ss brak lines for about 500 some dollars, if just for the caliper and bracket, i think only $300 something.

I understand that many people wouldn't suggest this brand because it is "unknown" in the states and of course unsure about their reliability. I am not giving you any kind of assurance but just so let you know the background of this brakeset and it's reputation in Asia.

So, if you don't know anything or never tried on this product, please don't bash on it like it is a complete garbage. It is ok to give opinions but not the wrong info.

just on the side note, if any of you heard about the buddy club brand, lots of their product is actually being manufactured in taiwan.

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phunhaus

Omni, Ksport, D2, etc are all made in the same plant in Taiwan. Buddy Club is also made in Taiwan although I can't say the same plant. I can tell you their exhaust is made by the same people that do the Skunk2. . .

phunhaus

Not necessarily, PIC are made in the same plant as far as the bodies go, but the internals are different and the springs are imported from Japan. I can't say if the others share any internals of materials, just that they are built in the same factory.

It's a touchy subject and I don't want to say anything that I'm not 100% sure on.

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http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=100443&page=2

rcsmith01

You can't even compare the two companies. Megan Racing is some importer from China and they just bought coilovers from a factory in China who supposedly has the specs to a good coilover system.

Then you have Apexi who is a million dollar company from Japan who tests all their products at Twin Ring Motegi who has a vast race and drifting history. Their stuff might not be made in Japan but Tawaiian, but ultimately apexi would have strict q/a over the products. Most people don't know it but Tawaiian produces some of the top shit in the world, and China just produces shit.

Which one is worth the money? Something that has actual R&D behind it, or something that has pretty colors, good marketing and god knows where they came up with the specs from.

Personally I wouldn't spend more than $500 on anything that isn't from a reputable company, because in the end your just making some fool rich who didn't do shit in the first place except place the order.

Slam, in response to rcsmith01

True japanese products typically have more R&D and thats for customers that are willing to pay the premium.
I wouldn't stereotype everything out of china is crap, it just so happens that there is a market for parts that are more economical and the quality is good enough for many enthusiast's needs.

I own a set of JIC FLT-A2's and they were pricey, but with my other 240, I am willing to try a set of megans for the money with the decent reviews its been getting.

Just my opinion..

glitched

Ive just been searching and doing research, and found this old thread, and I though I would post this Email I found while doing said research:


From: bor.chuann@msa.hinet.net <bor.chuann@msa.hinet.net> Mailed-By: http://www.bcec.com.tw

To: pumaking@gmail.com
Date: Oct 16, 2005 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: Coil-Over techinical Inquiry
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Dear Mr. King;


Thank you for your interest in BC Racing I'll be glad to answer your questions. We've had numerous e-mails in regards to the Apexi N1 EVX kit and Megan Racing kit both the Apexi and Megan kit utilize the same design, features, and internals that we have on our personal line the VH model. Their have been some speculation that Apexi kit utilize a different type of internal system, I can assure you thats not true the Apexi kit utilizes the same monotube valving system as our VH line and as well as the Megan Racing, Buddy Club version. We can not disclose any nformation regarding the contract of each company as it goes against our privacy policy. Please refer to our website http://www.bcec.com.tw/function/function.html to get a better idea of how our kits are designed and functions. If there is any more questions please let us know and we'll be glad to help you.


BC-Racing Customer ServiceNo.
5,Lane 2,Sec 1,Zhong Xing Rd,Tali City,Taichung Hsien 412, Taiwan.
TEL:886-4-2496-5721

irax, in response to glitched

This is very vauge. All cars utilize the same design, does not mean they are the same. If you have ever dealt with these forign manufactures on product quality and specs. you know that each 'brand' has spicifics. And for him to say that 'they all use the same system' means, they know this email might be published where it will harm them. Because Megan pays the company to make coilovers just like the Apex-i ones, but once Apex-i finds out that their coilover design are being rebadged it would cause truble. So the company makes each one slightly different so that all contracts are held up and no one gets hurt. The quality is all the same but the actual specs are different. In a way it's all the same ,as in you get the same major features like dual ride hight adjustability, etc etc.. Support a company that makes you feel more confidant driving their product and helps you sleep at night.

umsports

Okay Guys, I will pipe in.

They are the SAME coilovers. Bor-Chuann (Taiwan) produces the same coilovers for both Apexi and Megan.

There is NO difference, besides different stickers being slapped on at their factory.

I think the difference was psychological, but nothing more.

I dont understand why people can't accept the fact that a factory produces parts for other manufacturers.

I will take it one step further, and tell you that Bor-Chuann produces coilovers for more Japanese companies than just Apexi. (Food for thought.)

They are considered to be the top quality coilover manufacturer in Taiwan. (Although I have another company I think ranks equally.)

The valving is different on the Megan Track models, but Bor-Chuann has recommended them for race use only, as they are ultra stiff.

Just a few weeks ago, I had a customer ask to return his track models, as he said they were killing his back driving around the pot hole infested Tennessee roads. He went to the streets, and is ultra happy now.

Gotta run, but good to see you on here Sizzoo.

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there's a long dispute in this particular forum about apexi's products. too long to list.
http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118997

[brysx]

interesting read

[killertofupanda]

edit: resized the pictures

i managed to find these damper dynos in this thread.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...3730&t=1256344

just know that Bor-Chuann is a separate taiwan coilover company than that of D2 racing.







however, i did a google map search where the two companies are located. the proximity does seems kinda a bit eye-raising. in straight line distance, the two are approximately 12 miles away from each other. then again, taiwan is a small island, so keep that in mind.


UPDATE 2/27/09
The map has been revised to include other major suspension companies in Taiwan.

Company: D2 RACING SPORT CO., LTD
Address: No.32, Lane 36, Zhangxiu Rd., Xiushui Shiang, Changhua County 504, Taiwan
TEL:886-47-690066
FAX:886-47-692266
Web-site: http://www.d2racing.com.tw/
E-Mail: info@d2racingsport.com

Company: TAIWAN BOR-CHUANN ENTERPRISE CO., LTD.
Address: No. 34-9, Sihde S. Rd., Wufong Township, Taichung Hsien, Taiwan 412
Telephone: 886-4-2339-9693
Fax: 886-4-2339-9193
E-Mail: bor.chuann@msa.hinet.net
URL: http://www.bcec.com.tw

Company: JIHSHYH INTERNATIONAL CO., LTD
Address: No. 160, Sihu Rd, Dali City, Taichung County, Taiwan 412
TEL:886-4-24960505
FAX:886-4-24932293
Web-site: http://www.std.com.tw/
E-Mail: Jihshyh@gmail.com

Company: WINDFLOWERS INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY CO LTD
Address: No. 677, Meiting St., West District, Taichung City, Taiwan 403
TEL:886-4-23221688
FAX:886-4-23274146
Web-site: http://www.windflowers.com.tw/
E-Mail: service@windflowers.com.tw

Company: HENNA CO., LTD (aka: "TOSER")
Address: No. 18, Lane 141, Sanchong City, Taipei County, Taiwan 241
TEL:886-2-28477772
FAX:886-2-28477802
Web-site: http://www.toser.com.tw/
E-Mail: sales@toser.com.tw

Company: JORUCH INTERNATIONAL CORP. (aka: "DAIYAMA")
Address: No. 20, Lane 15, Bade City, Taoyuan County, Taiwan 334
TEL:886-3-368-9259
FAX:886-3-365-3739
Web-site: http://www.daiyama.com/
E-Mail: h9824715@ms24.hinet.net

Company: CHUAN KUO MOTOR INTERNATIONAL CO LTD
Address: 2F, No. 21, Sec. 3, Hsin-Sheng N. Rd., Jhongshan Dist., Taipei City, Taiwan 104
TEL: 886-2-25954651
FAX: 886-2-25952120
Web-site: www.chuankuo.com.tw/
E-Mail: ck888@ms37.hinet.net

Company: WILL RACING TECHNOLOGY INT'L CO., LTD
Address: Room a5, 2F., No.1-20, Kuojian Rd., Cianjhen District, Kaohsiung City, Taiwan 806
TEL: 886-7-821-0370
FAX: 886-7-821-1632
Web-site: http://www.will-rt.com.tw/
E-Mail: will.rt@msa.hinet.net

[riceman]

I love how FF calls their 3 hour drive to vegas "endurance testing". They could have found more bump and pot holes on the 10 and 60. I thought they were going to say from southern California to New york.

I can see the label on the new FF type 2 now, "After 3 grueling hours of endurance driving with occasional smoke breaks on near perfect road. These coilovers are the best in both performance and ride comfort we have released up to date."

[killertofupanda]

Originally Posted by riceman

I love how FF calls their 3 hour drive to vegas "endurance testing". They could have found more bump and pot holes on the 10 and 60. I thought they were going to say from southern California to New york.

I can see the label on the new FF type 2 now, "After 3 grueling hours of endurance driving with occasional smoke breaks on near perfect road. These coilovers are the best in both performance and ride comfort we have released up to date."

you, sir, have some poor reading skills. please try again. kthx.

[Temptazn_Mark]

Ugh.. looks like I live quite a ways away about 1.5hr drive (assuming I don't get loset) away from D2 and BC.
If I get a chance maybe I'll drive down.

[locost7]

you are right about out sourcing to taiwan, as were the almighty dollar (prob even more mighty than a females pleasure hole) plays the biggest role. the whole world does this to a point. to be honest with you, a car might be made in america but it might get all its parts from taiwan or china (which by the way have rising economies) now that being said, will taiwan or china outsource there stuff to the usa? people tend to get what they want, but they get what they pay for (myself included)

[killertofupanda]

thought it's time to update on this thread and present more of my findings.



http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/11129...uspension.html
http://www.racing-logic.com/product-1.htm

Racing Logics Ultra Complex coilovers




special note: 52mm piston damper. vs 44mm on most generic coilovers
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[Temptazn_Mark]

Cool.. lol they all look the same.

I like the sound of 52mm piston vs 44mm though.