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Old 09-29-2008, 12:57 PM   #1
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Car & Driver's Lightning Lap results at VIR (Cobalt SS/TC surprises many!)



Not sure if anyone has been reading the latest issues of C&D, R&T and Motor Trend, but they've all been having some pretty big test and the Cobalt is proving to be the best bang for your buck for performance + economy.

Just for example, Car and Driver held it's 3rd Lightning Lap at VIR recently. While the Supercharged SS did well when it was invited to the Lightning Lap, C&D decided to bring back the little Cobalt with it's upgraded engine and suspension to see how well the General has improved on it's FWD Tuner.

In short, it surprised everyone. Finishing 9th out of 22 cars, the Cobalt was easily crowned champion of the LL1 class (cars > $30,000). But not only did the Cobalt dominate it's class, it also finished ahead of 11 out of the 15 cars in the next class up! Just a few of the cars the Cobalt took by surprise include the Evo X MR, BMW 135i, Lexus IS-F, Audi S5, S2000 CR, and the Lotus Elise SC and a handful of other respectable cars.

Here is the overall results...


And here is the link to what they thought about the Cobalt SS/TC...
Cobalt SS/TC Lightning Lap

This is not a one time thing for the SS/TC as it has seem similar results in other testings by different publishers. It has caused much commotion all across automotive forums across the net. Jim Hall is quoted in the feature as saying about the Cobalt "Calling it one of the best handling front-wheel-drive cars ever doesn't do it justice--it's one of the best -handling cars, period."

Thanks GM for finally taking some time and money and putting it into your FWD platform and making one HELL of a car for one HELL of a good price!
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I saw this on auto blogger earlier. I would love to have been the one doing the driving!

I saw a mosler in person two weeks ago for the first time, that thing is wicked.
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Yeah this little thing posted a crazy time at the nurburgring (sp?) so this doesn't surprise me. More than anything else I'm amazed that it beat out the elise sc

lol @ mugen si
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Why didnt they bring the Z06? only the Z51. Doesnt seem fair since Viper brought its track car.
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I saw this on auto blogger earlier. I would love to have been the one doing the driving!

I saw a mosler in person two weeks ago for the first time, that thing is wicked.
No kidding! I'd love to even see a Mosler!

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Yeah this little thing posted a crazy time at the nurburgring (sp?) so this doesn't surprise me. More than anything else I'm amazed that it beat out the elise sc

lol @ mugen si
Wow Hump, I didn't know you were still here...been a long time since I've seen ya on here.

I'm sure the Elise is a faster/funner car. The N/A version ran a 3:09.2 versus 3:16.6 for the supercharged version. It had wider and stickier tires though.
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ss/tc is the new srt-4.
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WOW. The DODGE CALIBER SRT-4, minivan with a SRT badge beat the Mugen Civic Si and people make fun of srt-4's for not handling. That is pure comdey right there.
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Mazdaspeed3 came in at 3:16 flat at the VIR Lightning Lap 2007. Looking at the list of times above, that's not too bad.
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but..but...but....it says mugen on it. That alone adds like 4391 HP and cuts times at the NRing of like 3:16.86
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but..but...but....it says mugen on it. That alone adds like 4391 HP and cuts times at the NRing of like 3:16.86
That's becuase at 88 mph the MUGEN flux capacitor sends it to the finish line.
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Nice the viper beating the gtr will upset the fanbois.
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The Evo really dominated the STi there. And the S200 CR's lateral grip is ridiculous.
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The Evo really dominated the STi there. And the S200 CR's lateral grip is ridiculous.
It's not really that great, rx7s and supras have quite a bit better latteral G's
The current base gt mustangs have .89 G


The challenger being right behind the s2000 is going to piss fanbois off too
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You're just mad the STi did worse than the 135i and Evo.

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lol I think its funny, the new sti's are a huge pile of shit. I always liked evo's better anyway. Just didnt get one they wouldn't come down 1000 bucks on a new clearenced evo 9 so here I am lol. I think its funny how bad the mugen si did, ahaha. I wonder how much worse the standard SI handles.
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lol I think its funny, the new sti's are a huge pile of shit. I always liked evo's better anyway. Just didnt get one they wouldn't come down 1000 bucks on a new clearenced evo 9 so here I am lol. I think its funny how bad the mugen si did, ahaha. I wonder how much worse the standard SI handles.
I think it was along the lines of 1.7 seconds slower than the Mugen....lolz
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I think it was along the lines of 1.7 seconds slower than the Mugen....lolz
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No question people are buying a MUGEN badge rather than performance with the Si. It's just a world away from these other cars in terms of power.
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Why didnt they bring the Z06? only the Z51. Doesnt seem fair since Viper brought its track car.
Nah they should have brought the ZR1... goliath vs goliath

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On another note... so its safe to say Americans can't engineer shit? amiright!?!

that should get this thread going!!!
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