LPE tuned c6 z06 vs GTR R35 stage 2

[Torontonian]

Originally Posted by Gotboost98

Gtr ftl
torontonian thinks fords > chevy.........he secretly thinks that but wont share that he does.despite the ls motor in his avy lulz

What are these lies ??!?

ALL HAIL FORD!!!GT500 FOR LYFE!!!

[Gotboost98]

hahaha. I want a gt500 dammitz

[blackpearl]

ford pwns chebby

[Gotboost98]

chebby? Thats a new one I havent heard

[blackpearl]

I know I just thought of it myself

[Axix23]

gtr got walked

[Torontonian]

Originally Posted by blackpearl

ford pwns chebby

troof!

err i mean negative!!

[Sour Diesel]

Originally Posted by Torontonian

your information is incorrect.

I looked this up later after I posted the video, the corvette is making a maximum of 560hp if that.
please refer to thread where the owner of the vette comes out and himself says it was mild cam which would give him +10hp if that over the stock cam. He also stated he was making 580whp before the cam swap *before he ran the GTR*, after he did the cam swap he was told he would loose over 100+ hp and then he ran the GTR.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...lim-500-a.html
680hp hp vette theory gets debunked quickly



http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...roslavz06.html
corvette owner himself chimes in and says the car makes at most 560hp if that when he ran the GTR.. but some how people are making videos over estimating the hp of the corvette, cuz of course it beat the mighty(sarcasm) GTR it must be overly modified and overly powerful..sigh

vette owner makes his comments on the race:




In his modlist the owner of the vette says his gears are changed, the z06 has a very long 5th and 6th gear from what i can recall this is why it falls flat on it face after 150mph or so. This guy swapped it out for a shorter 5th and 6th gear, thats why it pulls so hard after 4th.



As far as that paxton supercharged viper theory goes, i doubt that thing was even supercharged, a stock viper can run 10s trapping over 128mph, this will give a GTR stage 2 a good run for the money.
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=657476

Heres a well built supercharged viper, a stage 2 GTR wont hold a candle to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUNrTV9y5I0

These Vipers put down north of 660whp with less than 9psi of boost if built properly, that must be one badly set up supercharged viper if it was at all, because given how your updated video over-estimates the corvette hp by as much as 120+hp, I can see the same being done for the viper as well.

Heres a Paxton supercharged viper making 675rwhp with only 7psi of boost racing a heavily modded EVO. Evo wins no doubt, but with a measly 7psi hes making well over 660bhp.
http://www.dpccars.com/car-videos-09...per-SRT-10.htm

Another Paxton supercharged viper puts down 683whp @ 7psi of boost
http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f17/...way-go-119850/


A stock viper will dyno around this
WHP: 548.06
WTQ: 527.82
11.93 AFR at 6400 RPM
Weighing in at 3440lbs

Stage 2 GTR 510.7whp weighing in at 3814lbs
-BBI Custom 3.5" Exhaust
-Cobb Stage 2 Tune
-47.2 hp gain / 24.3tq gain
-15-15.5 psi boost.

A stock SLR mclaren "722" edition dyno which btw makes more hp than the standard SLR mclaren from the factory (650hp vs 615hp or so)
http://www.dragtimes.com/2007-Merced...phs-15048.html
Horsepower: 546.24 WHP
Torque: 539.53 Wft-lbs


A base SLR mclaren non 722 eidtion weighs close to 3898 lbs over 400lbs on the viper and will often run around mid 11s to high 11s on the quarter, stock times are usually around
1/4 Mile ET: 11.576
1/4 Mile MPH: 126.700
Another 1/4 mile pass by a base stock SLR non 722 edition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5hK6g0QGVI

In a 1/4 mile drag a base SLR mclaren can be bested by a stock viper as proven in video above "if driven correctly" a viper will run low 11s high 10s or all we need is a bad launch on the SLRs part and a viper will win over the SLR

So given the amount of gross over-estimation the hp rating of vette was published at in your so called "updated" video facing off against the GTR, I find it hard to believe this viper that was racing the Stg 2 GTR is a paxton supercharged viper

lol, pwnt.

[-Wingman-]

Originally Posted by Gotboost98

Why would it be running a "cobb" tune if its an HKS gtr?

its only an hks gtr because of the kit it has on it. The gt570 kit is not a turbo upgrade. it basically upgrades the turbo piping and actuators, so you still need a tune. aka, cobb accessport.

[-Wingman-]

Originally Posted by Torontonian

your information is incorrect.

I looked this up later after I posted the video, the corvette is making a maximum of 560hp if that.
please refer to thread where the owner of the vette comes out and himself says it was mild cam which would give him +10hp if that over the stock cam. He also stated he was making 580whp before the cam swap *before he ran the GTR*, after he did the cam swap he was told he would loose over 100+ hp and then he ran the GTR.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...lim-500-a.html
680hp hp vette theory gets debunked quickly

First off, if you actually searched around multiple forums, you would have noticed the inconsistency of the information. The strangest of the conflicting info is that the owner himself (Yaroslav) appears numerous times on these forums and what he says doesnt quite make sense. The only way all of these threads would make sense is that if theres another Yaroslav......, or if he actually didnt end up selling his corvette, or in one of the threads, he actually was referring to the gtr(meaning he owned one).....

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...roslavz06.html

The first thing to do is to notice the date. Its obviously different from the times the other threads were posted. This is one of the conflicting things because, Yaroslav eventually comes in and says:

Yaroslav
Yes man Bogdan bought my car
Its tuned GTR ( Tune Stage 2 + Exhaust)
.

This correlates with what i was saying earlier which was that the original owner(in this case, which is apparently Yaroslav) sold his z06 to another member(who now seems to be "Bogdan"). Now, youre probably thinking hes simply referring to the "tuned GTR," but that is not the case, when he later says:

Yaroslav
I dont know how my car can have 560hp if its faster that Charged Viper 660whp
But still not enough to destroy Tuned GTR...They are ****ing fast!

Hmm, yeah, sounds like i was right about supercharged vipers not being as fast as people think. I guess, because people think a v10 has a supercharger on it, its automatically boosted to god like proportions. Erem, back on topic. So yeah, he states that hes making 560hp, yet is able to beat a 660whp viper, but not a tuned gtr...or at least, not be able to destroy one, meaning, hes able to beat them, but not destroy them....So, if yoy wanna argue that hes lying about the viper having 660whp, then argue with him....there seems to be no videos of that race.

So far, in this thread, what i said in the first post was correct about what another person said. This is that the original owner was actually making 560hp(as he himself claims in this thread. Not 532hp as you claimed) and sold the vette which at the time of his ownership was having issues:

Slow Vette
did you ever find out what was the strange sound coming from your engine???

Yaroslov
Nope

In a different thread, which is more recent, he later says:

Yaroslov
Jason is right. The car had maximum 560+hp and cracked pistons.....

"Had" is the key word here, because remember, he apparently sold his vette to someone else.

Also, in a different thread, which confirms that Yaroslav had sold his car:

Katech Jason
Not wrong. The car was built by Lingenfelter. It was Yaroslav's. He changed the cam because he didn't like the drivability. He installed the cam from our Street Attack 500 which is extremely mild. The engine is a 454 so I estimate it is making about 580hp, definitely not 680.

The 580hp part makes sense. Someone else had said that the zo6 was putting down roughly 540whp. I THINK its Katech Jason, cuz his username is Jason...but im not sure, so im not gonna post that quote. But in the above quote, he DOES say 580hp. I know Yaroslav says 560hp AT MOST, but i feel like the guy who actually tunes corvettes( and even tuned yaroslavs i believe, or at supplied to parts) would know more about how much the vette should be making at the time of the race.

Ahh, sweet sweet, logic. After merely skimming through these threads, everything makes more sense. I admittedly retract my statement of saying the z06 making 670hp because if it really was making that much power, it would have caught up much quicker and beat the gtr in that race(even though i was just quoting somebody else..). OH, SAY WHAT!?!! but i thought teh z06 beat the gtr. Indeed, it was catching up pretty fast, but according to this video, the gtr still beats the z06 to the line."but oh wait, if the line was any further, the z06 would have won." Maybe, but yeah, the z06 did apparently have its top gears changed, so it probably wouldnt have pulled anymore. Plus, i think that line was drawn at a mile. So damn, wtf else would you want? a 2 mile race.lol

Hmm, a lot have stuff has been said on my part. So ill try to make it short and sweet here and practice my conclusion part of powerpoint presentations. The whole point about me posting the part about yaroslav having sold his z06 to another person, was merely to try to confirm what i had originally said which was that the original owner sold his vette to someone else, who had later fixed the engine issues and boosted the power(shit i think ive said this like 5 times already). Im not actually saying that this new guy was the one racing the gtr in the videos being discussed. Im quite positive its still Yaroslav's at that time. Besides, according to those forums, the new guy is trying to achieve 800hp in the z06. Anyways, the whole point of that section of my awesome 3 page write up was to merely find out the true output of the z06. At this moment(or i should say, the moment of that race), it seems like 580hp(530-540whp) word of mouth from the tuner based on his experience with these cars. NOT 532hp, or maximum of 560hp. Another thing i believe i forgot to note is that the owner of the gtr was having issues like Yaroslav, i.e. he supposedly didnt install/tune the car properly after installation of the gt570 kit. Yaroslav even says the gtr was not properly tuned because at the time of the race, the gtr was running on pump gas, but was tuned for race gas, which most of those drivers run on. This actually makes sense, because the silver gtr(the one with the gt570 kit) was barely able to beat the cobb tuned gtr and the silver one had both the tune and the kit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rjZz...eature=channel

And no, according to the previous owners tuner, the car is not merely tuned by Lingenfelter, it was built by them also.

Again, the same quote

Katech Jason
Not wrong. The car was built by Lingenfelter. It was Yaroslav's. He changed the cam because he didn't like the drivability. He installed the cam from our Street Attack 500 which is extremely mild. The engine is a 454 so I estimate it is making about 580hp, definitely not 680

Again, i believe he quoted the power output for that specific race.

And mod list.

Yaroslav
Stock Exhaust
454ci Forged Bottom end (LSX block)
Ported Heads&Intake manifold
Katech small cam "500ci street attack"
ARH Headers
LPE Inatke
RPM Tranny&diff 5/6 gears 0.7/0.8
Wheels 19/20 PS2

Yep, sounds like just bolt ons, a VERY MILD cam and tune to me....

As far as that paxton supercharged viper theory goes, i doubt that thing was even supercharged, a stock viper can run 10s trapping over 128mph, this will give a GTR stage 2 a good run for the money.
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=657476

Heres a well built supercharged viper, a stage 2 GTR wont hold a candle to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUNrTV9y5I0

These Vipers put down north of 660whp with less than 9psi of boost if built properly, that must be one badly set up supercharged viper if it was at all, because given how your updated video over-estimates the corvette hp by as much as 120+hp, I can see the same being done for the viper as well.

Heres a Paxton supercharged viper making 675rwhp with only 7psi of boost racing a heavily modded EVO. Evo wins no doubt, but with a measly 7psi hes making well over 660bhp.
http://www.dpccars.com/car-videos-09...per-SRT-10.htm

Another Paxton supercharged viper puts down 683whp @ 7psi of boost
http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f17/...way-go-119850/


A stock viper will dyno around this
WHP: 548.06
WTQ: 527.82
11.93 AFR at 6400 RPM
Weighing in at 3440lbs

Stage 2 GTR 510.7whp weighing in at 3814lbs
-BBI Custom 3.5" Exhaust
-Cobb Stage 2 Tune
-47.2 hp gain / 24.3tq gain
-15-15.5 psi boost.

Is this what one of the gtr's in the video had done to it, or are you using this as an example? If so, it doesnt mean too much. i think its safe to say you dont know much about the gtr. Hell, why would anyone know anything about the car they didnt like? Anyways, this has been said a bazillion times on this forum, and that is, dyno numbers dont mean shit, and dyno's are supposed to be used as tools for tuning. the reason i say this is because there have been a WIDE variation of numbers some of these gtr's are putting down with the same setup, plus or minus bolt ons-tune(duh). What accounts for this has to do with the dyno itself, conditions, and what kind of tune/bolt ons the car has on it(obviously). Its a turbocharged car, so even a simple midpipe could variate the numbers between two cars where one doesnt have the midpipe upgrade. More importantly, the numbers that cant be seen on a traditional "numbers on paper," is how the powerband is affected. This is extremely crucial especially for the gtr. What comes from the factory with the gtr, is a nice powerband. When manufacturers quote numbers for a car, its the peak number. With the gtr, the same is quoted, but the difference, that general range of peak power lasts not for a single point in the rpm range, but for certain section of the rpm range. This also explains why the gtr is so fast given its weight. Whats the point of saying this? well, something like a gt570 kit would dramatically change the engines behavior. Not only does it significantly increase power, but it changes WHERE it makes all that power dramatically. this accounts for the variation in times between modified gtr's that have something as simple as a cobb tune/bolt ons run the same time as something with something a bit more serious such as the gt570, but to be honest, thats not a huge upgrade either, but im just using it as an example.

heres my example
Samurai Speed's GTR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdLHY...eature=related Dyno run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh-0E...layer_embedded time
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=27273 thread
vs
Private Owner's GTR (FATNSLO)
http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan-GT-R...lip-18116.html time
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=29872 Thread
vs
Animal House Racing GTR
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/A...088_201390.htm time
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=26624 thread

(the threads have the modlist as well as the 60 foot times. And both FATNSLO and Samurai's gtr posted those numbers on a mustang dyno. I dont believe Animal House ever posted their numbers. They were only interested in promoting their products anyways and what they could do.)

In the above examples, there is a variation between the powers, especially between SamuraiSpeed's gtr and the other two. He is making significantly more power AND a LOT more tq then both of them, however posts roughly the same times and trapspeeds. Now, obviously, the conditions play a factor, as well as the driver, but there are a few other things that have the same, or greater impact on why the times are so close to each other. Yes, the driver does effect what time you post, but its a gtr. I think its pretty simple why my answer was, "its a gtr." And obviously, whether or not they used LC is a big factor as well, but i think SamuraiSpeed is the only one that used LC out of the 3 at that time. Well, essentially, all they needed to do was get out of the hole nice and clean and all of them did decently. SamuraiSpeed's gtr was capable of pulling a 1.5 60 foot, while the other two were around 1.8. As for mods go, SamuraiSpeeds GTR has more done to it(HKS GT570 kit (IC pipes, midpipe, actuators),harman intake, Cobb accessport/tune.). Just for shits and giggles, ill post what the others had.:

Animal House GTR-
AHR CERAMIC WHEEL BEARINGS
AHR CERAMIC PULLEY BEARINGS
AHR THERMAL GASKET SET
AHR RACE Y PIPE
COBB ACCESS PORT
93 PUMP GAS w/1 gallon 100 oct

FATNSLO's GTR-
Harman intake
SSP Downpipe
Japtrix Custom exhaust/midpipe
Ceramic wheel bearings
Cobb Accessport/Tune

Out of the three, the Animal House had the least amount of power adders. The highest in power was SamuraiSpeeds gtr, yet they ran very close times, while animal house ran a higher trapspeed. "So, whats going on?" well, the GTR has whats called a Limp Mode. Its very similiar to the what some of the AMG mercedes have(also used in high tq cars). What it basically does is, if it senses a strain, or simply, too much tq as well as an overheating condition, the car will automatically cut some power so no permanent damage occurs. The only way to really turn it off is to turn off the car and let it sit for a few seconds, then turn it back on. What most likely happened was that SamuraiSpeed's gtr experienced Limp Mode. I can guarantee you that if all three cars were to run from a roll, SamuraiSpeed's GTR would have smoked the other two cars since the Limp Mode would interfere less. This is obviously an issue for the owners since all these gtr's are making a wide range of power, yet are running close to the same times. This problem, however, should be solved as Haltech finally released their platinum pro ecu for the gtr which should eliminate this Limp Mode. I believe thats what it does anyways. No one has really been able to crack into the TCM and manually alter the Limp Mode settings themselves so far.

Also in one of SamuraiSpeed's threads, they post a dyno chart of their gtr and its evident that the powerband is no where near what it used to be. this is going into when i said that modding the gtr can greatly alter the powerband. It showed that the gtr was now peaking at a higher rpm, and there were fluctuations here and there in the powerband(didnt post that thread, cuz ima too lazy to find it. but i can find it if needed...). Dont know if they ever fixed the issue with a proper tune. In the earlier vids, their gtr wasnt necessarily running on optimum performance, thats why i say idk if they ever fixed it. I would imagine they at least did something about it, considering later on down the road, they managed even faster times/trapspeeds. Anyways, the only dynochart ive seen of the car was pre "propertune." Havent seen one after that because i dont believe they posted anymore. They didnt really need to...

In conclusion with this section of my ginormous post, the power differences between gtr's can greatly vary, but more importantly, mods such as the gt570 kit can greatly alter the engines behavior in how it delivers power. Also, what people consider "minimal" mods could have a large effect in the gtr's overall power output since it is boosted car.

A stock SLR mclaren "722" edition dyno which btw makes more hp than the standard SLR mclaren from the factory (650hp vs 615hp or so)
http://www.dragtimes.com/2007-Merced...phs-15048.html
Horsepower: 546.24 WHP
Torque: 539.53 Wft-lbs


A base SLR mclaren non 722 eidtion weighs close to 3898 lbs over 400lbs on the viper and will often run around mid 11s to high 11s on the quarter, stock times are usually around
1/4 Mile ET: 11.576
1/4 Mile MPH: 126.700
Another 1/4 mile pass by a base stock SLR non 722 edition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5hK6g0QGVI

In a 1/4 mile drag a base SLR mclaren can be bested by a stock viper as proven in video above "if driven correctly" a viper will run low 11s high 10s or all we need is a bad launch on the SLRs part and a viper will win over the SLR

So given the amount of gross over-estimation the hp rating of vette was published at in your so called "updated" video facing off against the GTR, I find it hard to believe this viper that was racing the Stg 2 GTR is a paxton supercharged viper

As far as this part goes, idk what to say. i glanced through it cuz it looked like mag racing and especially for straightline performance, its not a reliable resource to base things on.... Anyways, I even stated the viper driver could have sucked Plus, in the vid of both vipers going at it, you could see the major difference of the outcome of the race based on the driver.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpcs1...eature=related

In this instance, it seems pretty pointless to put down what each car runs, how much they make and so and so. If youre going off the logic that, if this car puts down this much power and runs this, it should be able to beat the other car cuz its making this much power and run this time. And so on and so forth....

But hey, might as well play along.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=1577

According to this information, an 800hp hennessy viper srt10 will get from 60-150mph in 8.5 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwOlU...e=channel_page

In this video, you can see by the computer screen on the dash, that the gtr reaches 98-241kph in about 10 seconds. of course, 98-241khp is the same as 60-150mph. During the race, the viper is ahead most of the time until the end which indicates that it has reached certain speeds faster then the gtr. So putting those times into perspective, i say a 750hp charged viper sounds about right. Plus, in those corvette forums, it doesnt seem like anybody denies that the viper was supercharged, and Yaroslav says it IS supercharged.

To put into perspective, a 600hp hennessy viper srt10 will run the same 60-150mph in about 12.7 seconds. Thats a LOT slower then the 800hp viper. granted, these times are for convertables, other tests show that the times between the coupe and convertible arent very different at all.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...cs+page-2.html

Honestly, mag racing like this, and listing hp figures in comparison to other cars is well, mag racing...idk what the relevance of posting that the viper makes THIS MUCH power on JUST 7 psi has to do with anything. Especially since i dont think anyone knew on the forums how much boost the viper was using For me, its the race itself that really matters. no point at being at a race and losing, and saying, "yeah, but im making 550whp, and youre making 510whp. I ran this time before, you ran a different time, therefore, i beat you"

[-Wingman-]

Originally Posted by blackpearl

silence = fag

do you have anything else to contribute to this site, other than calling gtr fanbois fags? Cuz honestly, idk what to say to that. At least other people gives me shit to argue with, but you, fag this, douche this, homo this. your insulting skills are like a 5 year olds, so i guess ill treat you like one... im made of rubber, youre made of poo-poo. What you say to me bounces off and sticks to you

[Torontonian]

I am too tired, but I am going to try and break this apart..

so here goes, my comments in red

Originally Posted by SilenceInTheSky

First off, if you actually searched around multiple forums, you would have noticed the inconsistency of the information Ok so we got this down, there is inconsistency, but definitely some over exaggerated numbers being tossed around. So maybe you can post more links to these "other forums" that show conflicting information. The strangest of the conflicting info is that the owner himself (Yaroslav) appears numerous times on these forums and what he says doesnt quite make sense. The only way all of these threads would make sense is that if theres another Yaroslav......, or if he actually didnt end up selling his corvette, or in one of the threads, he actually was referring to the gtr(meaning he owned one).....So now your inferring the owner is making up stuff?? yup the GTR lost, but yup now the owner of the Corvette is making up stuff or using multiple aliases to confuse people..sigh.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...roslavz06.html

The first thing to do is to notice the date Again doesnt make sense as to why you are pointing the date and time of when threads are posted about videos on different forums as a "conflicting" basis of information, ofcourse not all posters are going to post all videos on the internet at the same time now could they?. Its obviously different from the times the other threads were posted. This is one of the conflicting things because, Yaroslav eventually comes in and says:


This correlates with what i was saying earlier which was that the original owner(in this case, which is apparently Yaroslav) sold his z06 to another member(who now seems to be "Bogdan"). Now, youre probably thinking hes simply referring to the "tuned GTR," but that is not the case, when he later says:
Let me ask you something right here, doesnt he sound puzzled about how come he beat a supposedly supercharged viper? Could it be, just for a moment entertain this approach, that there is inconsistency floating around the vipers setup as well? Didnt you point that out at the beginning of your post?


Hmm, yeah, sounds like i was right about supercharged vipers not being as fast as people think. Really? I wonder what happened in this run here, a supercharged viper vs a GTR trapping 125mph. Not only does the viper mis-shift at the beginning of the race but by the end of the quarter mile he catches the GTR and traps 9mph over on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WepgSWMKjyQ

So that was just the quater mile with a mis-shift for the viper
11.81 @ 125.13 mph -GTR (Do stock GTRs trap this high?, I have never seen it, guys usually hit this kinda mph in 1/4 with a tune)
11.34 @ 134.24 mph -Viper Supercharged (with a mis-shift, hes already pulling 9mph over a tuned GTR in 1/4 mile)
Now imagine what would happen on a 1 mile run
I guess, because people think a v10 has a supercharger on it, its automatically boosted to god like proportions. Erem, back on topic. So yeah, he states that hes making 560hp, yet is able to beat a 660whp viper, but not a tuned gtr...or at least, not be able to destroy one, meaning, hes able to beat them, but not destroy them....So, if yoy wanna argue that hes lying about the viper having 660whp, then argue with himhe himself seems to be not sure about the supercharged viper theory, so there is nothing to argue with him about, especially given the amount of inconsistency going around the setup and hp rating of the cars in these videos, do you have any conclusive evidence that points to the fact that the viper is supercharged? Pics under the hood? Dynos? Owner stating I made 660whp or w/e it is....there seems to be no videos of that race.

So far, in this thread, what i said in the first post was correct about what another person said. This is that the original owner was actually making 560hp(as he himself claims in this thread. Not 532hp as you claimed) and sold the vette which at the time of his ownership was having issues:
He says he had 580whp when he had a more agressive CAM, when he swapped it out for a mild CAM he was told he would loose 100+ hp correct? Just for a joke, i calculated what 580whp is in crank, assuming a 12 percent drive train loss, it works out 649, take away a 100, what do we have? 549. Hence why i put ~532hp for the vette ~ = "tilda" means approximately, just so you understand.

In a different thread, which is more recent, he later says:



"Had" is the key word here, because remember, he apparently sold his vette to someone else.

Also, in a different thread, which confirms that Yaroslav had sold his car:
First off I have no clue why you pointing out him selling his vette being a big point of concern as far as the video I posted and the video in which Yaroslav was called out on at the vette forums, which are the same video in which the GTR lost form a roll having a HKS 570 kit

Heres what i am saying, the video I posted and video in which Yaroslav was called out on are the same video? agree?. So what you are essentially trying to do is deviate from topic and the topic is in this race posted in this thread, the z06 was making 560hp at max if that. Again going back to what Yaroslav said 580whp - 100+ hp. So even 560hp is a very questionable notion at this point of time when he ran the tuned GTR, it couldve been less, but definitely not 580whp or 680hp..lol

so lets break down this quote here,

Again I notice your inference to the car was Yarsolavs, Ok so he sold it big whoop! I still dont see how this has any bearing on the two videos, the one I posted here and the one that was posted over at the corvette forums calling Yarsolav to chime in on the race. Also to make it more clear to you Yarsolav did own the car when these races were conducted, this is why I think your whole "he sold car" inference is null and void. Has absolutely nothing to do with what I am trying to get at.

key word "estimate", meaning I am not too sure, therefore I estimate around that area.

So even 580hp is sketchy at best and for you to make sense out of that, is pretty sketchy. The owner says "hey I was told I am going to loose 100+ hp from 580whp"

The 580hp part makes sense. Someone else had said that the zo6 was putting down roughly 540whp.Can you quote this from the thread, infact please do me a favor and just post a link to the said thread I THINK its Katech Jason, cuz his username is Jason...but im not sure, so im not gonna post that quote. But in the above quote, he DOES say 580hp. I know Yaroslav says 560hp AT MOST, but i feel like the guy who actually tunes corvettes( and even tuned yaroslavs i believe) would know more about how much the vette should be making at the time of the race.

Ahh, sweet sweet, logic. After merely skimming through these threads, everything makes more sense. I admittedly retract my statement of saying the z06 making 670hp because if it really was making that much power, it would have caught up much quicker and beat the gtr in that race(even though i was just quoting somebody else..)Finally he admits he might be wrong in his assumptions. OH, SAY WHAT!?!! but i thought teh z06 beat the gtr. Indeed, it was catching up pretty fast, but according to this video, the gtr still beats the z06 to the line."but oh wait, if the line was any further, the z06 would have won." Maybe, but yeah, the z06 did apparently have its top gears changed, so it probably wouldnt have pulled anymoreGiving up 4 cars+ to a GTR at start, in which again all the person is doing is pedal mashing and holding the steering straight while the machines are doing all the work for you and then playing catch up is a feet in itself when you have to time your shifts and make sure no mis-shifts occur, yeah the vette got inched by the silver GTR at the end, but seriously did I come out and say the vette won? quote me? I just said he caught up pretty well which is a feet in itself . Plus, i think that line was drawn at a mile. So damn, wtf else would you want? a 2 mile race.lol

Hmm, a lot have stuff has been said on my part. So ill try to make it short and sweet here and practice my conclusion part of powerpoint presentations. The whole point about me posting the part about yaroslav having sold his z06 to another person, was merely to try to confirm what i had originally said which was that the original owner sold his vette to someone else, who had later fixed the engine issues and boosted the power(shit i think ive said this like 5 times already). Im not actually saying that this new guy was the one racing the gtr in the videos being discussed.Im quite positive its still Yaroslav's at that time. As I figured, you were going absolutely no where with this. So why bring this up in the first place? if you were not going anywhere with it, please try to stay on topic Besides, according to those forums, the new guy is trying to achieve 800hp in the z06. Anyways, the whole point of that section of my awesome 3 page write up was to merely find out the true output of the z06. At this moment, it seems like 580hp(530-540whp)Speculation, yes it could possibly have 580hp, but then I know the owner dynoed his car at 580whp before he ran the GTR, did a cam swap because he wanted drive ability and was told he was going to loose 100+ hp on the swap, so again math 101 comes in here, cuz so far 580whp is the most conclusive number we have to go off of, with 580whp X 1.12 = 649.6 minus a 100 = 549.6, again this is not paying attention to the fact he stated 100+ hp , i am just rounding it up to a 100 for now word of mouth from the tuner based on his experience with these cars. NOT 532hp, or maximum of 560hp. Another thing i believe i forgot to note is that the owner of the gtr was having issues like Yaroslav, i.e. he didnt install/tune the car properly after installation of the gt570 kit. Yaroslav even says the gtr was not properly tuned because at the time of the race, the gtr was running on pump gas, but was tuned for race gas,

I think you have it reversed, GTR was tuned for pump gas but was running race fuel. They were not tuned for race gas.
which most of those drivers run on. This actually makes sense, because the silver gtr(the one with the gt570 kit) was barely able to beat the cobb tuned gtr and the silver one had both the tune and the kit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rjZz...eature=channel

And no, according to the previous owners tuner, the car is not merely tuned by Lingenfelter, it was built by them also.

Again, the same quote



And mod list.




As far as this part goes, idk what to say. I even stated the viper driver could have sucked Plus, in the vid of both vipers going at it, you could see the major difference of the outcome of the race based on the driver.

In this instance, it seems pretty pointless to put down what each car runs, how much they make and so and so. If youre going off the logic that, if this car puts down this much power and runs this, it should be able to beat the other car cuz its making this much power and run this time. And so on and so forth....

But hey, might as well play along.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=1577

According to this information, an 800hp hennessy viper srt10 will get from 60-150mph in 8.5 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwOlU...e=channel_page

In this video, you can see by the computer screen on the dash, that the gtr reaches 98-241kph in about 10 seconds. of course, 98-241khp is the same as 60-150mph. During the race, the viper is ahead most of the time until the end which indicates that it has reached certain speeds faster then the gtr. So putting those times into perspective, i say a 750hp charged viper sounds about right. Plus, in those corvette forums, it doesnt seem like anybody denies that the viper was supercharged, and Yaroslav says it IS supercharged.

To put into perspective, a 600hp hennessy viper srt10 will run the same 60-150mph in about 12.7 seconds. Thats a LOT slower then the 800hp viper. granted, these times are for convertables, other tests show that the times between the coupe and convertible arent very different at all.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...cs+page-2.html

Honestly, mag racing like this, and listing hp figures in comparison to other cars is well, mag racing...idk what the relevance of posting that the viper makes THIS MUCH power on JUST 7 psi has to do with anything. Especially since i dont think anyone knew on the forums how much boost the viper was using For me, its the race itself that really matters. no point at being at a race and losing, and saying, "yeah, but im making 550whp, and youre making 510whp. I ran this time, you ran a different time, therefore, i beat you"

Seriously dont talk about relevance after you were spewing how Yarsolav sold his car and then came and said "oh yeah, he does own the car in these races", you seriously had no idea where you were going with that.

Again, 7psi of boost yields over 760hp in a viper, and the reason I used 7psi is how close the two vipers setup with a paxton supercharger got in terms of hp from two completely different owners. So in essence these vipers in these videos are running even lower psi 6 or 5 psi of boost? if we even consider them supercharged.

I used the stock numbers to show even with a cobb stage 2 tune and bolt ons a GTR has a worse power to weight ratio compared to a stock viper, the numbers dont lie. Drag racing / quater mile run / 1mile run is all about who has the best power to weight ratio, you saw what happened to that GTR vs a supercharged viper in the 1/4 mile in a 1 mile run it would be worse for the GTR.

Your other assumption of the viper being supercharged is because he beat an SLR mclaren, but if you really look at it carefully, a viper stock has a better overall power to weight ratio than a base SLR mclaren. You dont need a power adder to take out a base SLR mclaren with a viper, stock for stock. It all depends on the driver, this is my point

So again given the gross amount of over-estimation the hp rating of the Corvette was published at, the way a 125mph GTR was killed by a supercharged viper in the 1/4 mile after a mis-shift on the vipers part coupled with Yarsolav's own shock at how his 560hp vette (if that) beat a 660whp viper and finally seeing how a 560hp(if that) vette is able to pull in the HKS 570 silver GTR and almost beat it, but a 660whp viper cannot reel in the GTR in a 1 mile run makes me wonder the validity of these videos claim that the viper was in actuality a 750hp viper.

[-Wingman-]

wow. i simply dont think you understand english. like at all. or least, lack the ability to put things together.

brbr\

[-Wingman-]

im gonna make this short as possible, cuz honestly, it almost seems pointless to continue to argue when youre not reading everything. cuz what youre saying, iz all fucked up.

i dont need to post more links to "these forums" because you posted them yourself. the inconsistency i was talking about was how the owner showed up on both the older and newer thread and acted as if it was still his car in the newer thread, though he said he sold the z06 to another member in the older thread. If you read what i said you wouldnt be asking this in the first place......obviously missed the sarcasm "ZING!!!"....Im pointing out the dates of both threads to point out how that makes the things being said in both threads to be a bit weird. Again, the thing being weird is that the owner said he sold the car, but later on, acts like its still his. Furthermore, the entire part about Yagoslav selling the z06 to someone else who then added more power was simply to confirm what i said in my first post. btw, that last part about posters not being able to post at the sametime made no sense. youre not getting it. I could have sworn i layed out clearly why i talked about the dates of the threads.....Or maybe, just maybe, charged vipers arent that fast. Yeah, the owner says he cant believe he beat one, but he doesnt question that its charged either. Also, this "inconsistency" didnt pertain to the viper being improperly setup up. That was referring to the gtr and z06. When i was referring to the viper, i said, maybe the driver sucked.

some other points.

Stop magracing with the viper, cuz um, its magracing. If you read the part about the gtr and how mods affect it, i think you would have talked less about this viper thing, which btw seems to be about half of your discussion now. Btw, love how you completely ignored my own mag racing. nice/ Stop doing math with Yagoslav's old z06. IT DOESNT MATTER. you know why? because his tuner, Katech Jason comes in on a more recent thread saying "its probably making about 580hp" with HIS CAMS. These are very same cams your talking in this repeated quote of Yagoslav saying he'll lose 100hp with. I think the guy who makes the parts, or least works with them more would more accurately know what the car was making with his parts/ I never said that Yaroslav DIDNT own the car at the times of the race, i actually said the opposite/ Actually, in the very post im reply too, you said the vette wins. Its like in the last line of the paragraph you replied to of my second post/ umm actually no, you have it completely wrong. Yaroslav says the gtr was running on pump gas, but tuned for race fuel
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...slavz06-2.html refer to post 29
the whole last part, again not reading. Youre talking about staying on topic. well, then set the example and do it. Have no idea why youre talking about the viper making x hp on x boost especially when how much boost was in the charged viper is not stated/ the mclaren part was simply to show that the black viper driver wasnt too bad. the vid was never intended to verify its actual hp output. I dont mag race like you. Try reading EVERYTHING through before replying. It doesnt make sense when youre answering each part as if theyre independent

[-Wingman-]

.... and / represent a different part of your post im replying to. too lazy to take the time like you and do that variating font color shit

[Sour Diesel]

lol at 12 million words on this page.

[-Wingman-]

i forsee more to come

[Gotboost98]

As per usual I side with torontonian

[Torontonian]

Hmm, interesting, my comments in red

Originally Posted by SilenceInTheSky

im gonna make this short as possible, cuz honestly, it almost seems pointless to continue to argue when youre not reading everything. cuz what youre saying, iz all fucked up.
Funny I feel the same about your comments, none of them really make sense or derive off of any concrete or concise evidence. To me your just blinded by the hype around a car that your so obsessed with that in your little world it can never loose and can never have a single fault.
For every race where there is a GTR loosing, theres a very plausible explanation in your eyes

"oh the vette hp was over 670+ hp"
"oh the vette owner is bs'ing"
"Supercharged Vipers are not fast"

And since i need some comic relief right now, I find it very funny how even in the Transformers movie thread you were asking if the GTR was a decepticon or Autobot..was there even a GTR in that movie, I saw the movie twice, and I never saw one GTR?

And no one else even mentioned GTR in that thread


Your looking for GTRs where they dont exist
Theres a word for this, its called obsession.



i dont need to post more links to "these forums" because you posted them yourself.Funny, I have seen this before, you use my links to support your argument, sigh, nice try but it is not working the inconsistency i was talking about was how the owner showed up on both the older and newer thread and acted as if it was still his car in the newer thread, though he said he sold the z06 to another member in the older thread. If you read what i said you wouldnt be asking this in the first place......obviously missed the sarcasm "ZING!!!"So how about this? Post the threads in chronological order so that we can see this guy is full of shit apparently now according to you silence the z06 owner is bull shitting right? and in the meantime I am going to try and message Yaroslav and ask him to comment on these videos and the exact time he sold his car and compare those to when the videos are made. Again I am talking in context to the two videos that are posted in my thread here, this one, and the one that he was asked to comment on over at the vette forums, simple enough? If I get an answer from Yaroslav this should settle this argument once and for all, although I dont see why were are having this argument in the first place.....Im pointing out the dates of both threads to point out how that makes the things being said in both threads to be a bit weird. Again, the thing being weird is that the owner said he sold the car, but later on, acts like its still hisAgain I am going message Yaroslav and try and get this sorted, while you are going to post the threads in chronological order to prove Yaroslav is full of shit right? I think your just concocting this in your head to help deviate from the topic in hand, which is and I reiterate, the HKS 570 GTR got beat from a roll by a car with less hp (560hp If that), and almost beat by that very same car from a dig. Furthermore, the entire part about Yagoslav selling the z06 to someone else who then added more power was simply to confirm what i said in my first post. is this the part your inferring to?

A statement which you ended up retracting in this below line correct?

Because you came out and posted the same race filmed from a different angle and claimed it to be an "updated" video, after reviewing your "updated" video and comparing it to the one I posted in this thread, it appears to be the same run of the two cars captured from two different camera angles. Mine was from the GTR in car cam, your so called "updated" video is actually external cameras capturing the same race, there was nothing updated about it, they were both captured at the same time.



btw, that last part about posters not being able to post at the sametime made no sense. youre not getting it. I could have sworn i layed out clearly why i talked about the dates of the threads.....Or maybe, just maybe, charged vipers arent that fast
OR maybe, just maybe you just dont know what you are talking about or have seen any properly setup supercharged vipers in action

. Yeah, the owner says he cant believe he beat one, but he doesnt question that its charged either.
Of course the owner of the vette has his doubts, IF some one I didnt know to well came up to me and told me "hey, i gotta 660whp Supercharged viper, i will race your z06". At this point i know i am going to get walked cuz all i got is 560bhp, but If i end up beating him with my 560hp vette, i am not going to go and argue with the guy or question a guys build that I dont even know to well, I am just going to have a doubt about the claimed hp of the Viper. Hence why Yaroslav has his doubts about how the fuck his 560hp car beat a supposed 740hp-750hp car, a 180hp+ difference, either way you cut it something does not add up about this supposed 750hp paxton supercharged viper

Also, this "inconsistency" didnt pertain to the viper being improperly setup up. That was referring to the gtr and z06. When i was referring to the viper, i said, maybe the driver sucked.

some other points.

Stop magracing with the viper, cuz um, its magracing. If you read the part about the gtr and how mods affect it, i think you would have talked less about this viper thing, which btw seems to be about half of your discussion now. Btw, love how you completely ignored my own mag racing. nice/ Stop doing math with Yagoslav's old z06. IT DOESNT MATTER. you know why? because his tuner, Katech Jason comes in on a more recent thread saying "its probably making about 580hp" with HIS CAMS. These are very same cams your talking in this repeated quote of Yagoslav saying he'll lose 100hp with.Really? Could you please post a link to this said thread and dont give me bs about "oh you posted it arleady" because I have posted two threads so far and nothing in there has Katech_Jason coming in and talking about Yaroslav's setup, please post the link, thanks or I am just going to dismiss this as concocted information I think the guy who makes the parts, or least works with them more would more accurately know what the car was making with his parts/ I never said that Yaroslav DIDNT own the car at the times of the race, i actually said the opposite/ Actually, in the very post im reply too, you said the vette winsFrom a roll vette wins, you saw it happen, whats there to deny, from a dig, I never said the vette won, quote me, I dare you to quote me where I said the vette won from a dig? where is this GEM, i wanna see this for myself. Its like in the last line of the paragraph you replied to of my second post/ umm actually no, you have it completely wrong. Yaroslav says the gtr was running on pump gas, but tuned for race fuel
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...slavz06-2.html refer to post 29

oh wow, I am going to have to ask for some one else to chime in on this, because Silence who claims I have an English comprehension problem is unable to put this simple little thing together.

Yaroslav gets asked this by Black_Mamba:

To which Yaroslav replies this:

Yaroslav's answer is : YES!!! as in yes they (the GTR HKS GT570) was on race gas but was not tuned for it...

This some how to you silence equals this:

I have English Comprehension issues? You cannot piece together a simple question and answer properly.


the whole last part, again not reading. Youre talking about staying on topic. well, then set the example and do it. Have no idea why youre talking about the viper making x hp on x boost especially when how much boost was in the charged viper is not stated/ the mclaren part was simply to show that the black viper driver wasnt too bad.So atleast we agree on thing, that viper driver was not too bad, but given this little piece of info, your going to try and tell me he could not reel in a ~520whp GTR with his 660whp or so viper on a 1 mile run from a dig, but a ~550-560hp vette is capable of reeling in the very same GTR from a dig after giving up 3+ car lengths at the start, this does not strike you as a little bit odd at all does it? No! of course it doesnt, the magical GTR is the end all and know all of the automotive sports car realm in your little world the vid was never intended to verify its actual hp output. I dont mag race like you. Try reading EVERYTHING through before replyingYes you should definitely pay heed to your own advise. It doesnt make sense when youre answering each part as if theyre independent

[-Wingman-]

Wow, i actually stopped thoroughly reading your wall of text after the transformers part. After seeing all the rofls, lols, and lmaos, i can tell my last post pissed you off or something. In any case, i think you need to chill out and realize this is a forum meant to talk shit, exchange information, and voice opinions, but in no way is intended to be takin seriously and cause you to get mad. I honeslty cant imagine someone getting too upset over something said over the internet, because after all, its the internet. Are you one of those people that plays games online, and if someone tbags you, you get pissed off and break shit? op, just fucking with you

Anyways, my first post was intended to question the inconsistency between the outcome of the races. The question was, how could the gtr beat the viper, but not the z06. It was a simple question, made to be just that, not some propoganda with my gtr fanboism. Of course, you make a comment on my first post as expected. Ok, cool. And again, as expected, I myself make a comment on your own comment. The reason why it was so long, as well as my other posts, is so that they are supposed to be informative and made to answer the questions, or offer a reasonable explanation, as well as answer any future question. Then you make another comment insulting me on how i dont stay on topic, how im a gtr fanboi, or whatever. At this point, it starts getting lame so finally, i just make a post that is as short and choppy as possible simply because it looks like you missed many of the key points and didnt understand half of what i was saying. You kept asking why i was infatuated with the dates of those threads, and i actually had a conclusive paragraph in the very post you were talking about and it already had an explanation to the majority of your questions/comments you had in your next post as well. things like that made it quite clear you werent paying attention. Ill even admit i was wrong on some parts, and yeah, i guess i miss read the part about the type of fuel and tune with the gtr..... the biggest problem i had with your post was that it was quite evident that you were taking sections of it and answering them independently and thats a major issue if each section of text is made to answer the bigger question or made simply to explain the bigger idea and get the point across. Now, it comes to this. It seems like you either were searching or came across a comment i had made in another thread, and now have decided to bring it hear in attempt to make me look like a fool. In any case, it truly looks like youre stalking me because youve taken something a comment that is not only in a thread not relevant to this discussion, but i for one know that, that comment was made approx. two weeks ago. So the question now is, wtf are you doing with such an old comment from an irrelevant thread? I mean, ok, its actually a redundant question, because you used that comment in attempt to make me look like im obsessed with the gtr. Hell, i like the gtr, but damn, not that much...Anyways, if you stalked me better, you would have realized that that comment was made before i had seen the movie. the reason why i had brought up the gtr in the first place and asked whether or not the gtr was a good guy or bad guy was because i had caught a glimpse of another thread on nagtroc titled "transformer" or something like that and took a quick look. Im not actually a member on there, but i go there every now and then to see if anything new is going down. So i sat there thinking, hell some of these guys roll with famous people, and paul walker is even a member on the boards, so i guess the gtr in that pic was the gtr in the movie, even though after watching the movie, the gtr is not actually on there.http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=31551

As for the other comments on your post, i dont know what to say. For example, the question where you ask for me to post the link to Katech Jason's comment about the actual poweroutput of the z06. You ask for that quote, but you seemed to have missed it several times. Not only is the quote in the very link you yourself post(btw, the threads have like 2 or 4 pages at most the last i remember), but ive posted Katech's quote in my second post. Actually, after briefly looking at it, it looks like i posted it at least twice in the same post..So yeah, so much for dismissing it as concocted information. Oh again, i like how you completely ignored my own magracing. I guess you cant come up with a comment on that or else youll have to result to what i do as a fanboi" and concoct information up right?"

[boostedNB]

Holy shit

You mofo's need to start putting cliff notes at the end of your posts. Fucking wall of text nearly killed me

[-Wingman-]

lol. Yeah, havent seen this much text since the srt vs rsx threads in the early days.

[boostedNB]

those were the good days
Those guys invaded with the force.

[UenoStation]

You guys should just settle this over Rock-Paper-Scissors. These posts are way too f'ing long!

[-Wingman-]

rofl. the only way i see that working is if we pm'd someone our choice. Since you brought up the idea, you can be that guy