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Old 02-16-2010, 04:53 PM   #1
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how to remove counter weight on transmission?

I want to try to remove the counter weight on transmission to fix my first gear pop out. I believe the counter weight is heavy enough that when the engine moves from shifts the counter weight pops my gear out. Anybody with pics of how to remove the counter weight or where it is? Thanks!
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if it's what i think you're talking about, it's the metal "hammer" above the transmission, where the shifter cables are connected

the weight is not designed to be removed, though. it'll have to be cut off with a dremmel or similar

EDIT: i have heard of a couple people saying they believe this *could* cause popouts though. i've only seen one person who removed it on here and he said it makes the shifter vibrate more, but that he believes it helped with the popout issue
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you can't take it off, it has to be there.
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Old 02-18-2010, 01:40 PM   #4
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I cut the counterweight off my 06 si and I havent had a situation where third pops out or second grinds since. I did this back in august and have had 0 issues in last 6 months. There is slight vibration in shifter that may be from this or my stiffer motor mounts.
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I still stand behind the fact it is a bad idea
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I still stand behind the fact it is a bad idea
bad idea why though? Its main purpose is for the average knucklehead to have smooth vibration free shifts. Most of us are aggressive so the weight does nada for us. I found i had more direct shifts with about 0 downside. its just a piece of metal.
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vibration does go the other way to, not exactly sure you want to be putting vibration back into an already fragile transmission. It might work and work great but until someone goes 100,000 miles on one and can open it up and show zero damage or wear, it is just a concept that works for some but maybe not everyone.
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would you take off your wheel weights and drive with unbalanced tires
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would you take off your wheel weights and drive with unbalanced tires
bro, that makes no sense at all. The counterweight is there for the average knucklehead who wants nice smooth easy shifts. Most of us drive aggressive so there isnt a need for extra momentum during shifting. The shift knob vibrates slighty, and if I wasn't there when my buddy cut it off I would never have known it was gone. I have injected mounts with 3m duramix 42/40 so I have vibrations anyway. Im just saying since I did this I havent grinded 2nd or had 3rd pop out. I also run amsoil fluid at the moment and have a exedy stage 1 clutch and 8 lb flywheel. I also have a twm stage 2 full replacement short throw assembly with solid base bushings along with cable bushings. Im getting vibration no matter what with this set up.

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bro, that makes no sense at all. The counterweight is there for the average knucklehead who wants nice smooth easy shifts. Most of us drive aggressive so there isnt a need for extra momentum during shifting. The shift knob vibrates slighty, and if I wasn't there when my buddy cut it off I would never have known it was gone. I have injected mounts with 3m duramix 42/40 so I have vibrations anyway. Im just saying since I did this I havent grinded 2nd or had 3rd pop out. I also run amsoil fluid at the moment and have a exedy stage 1 clutch and 8 lb flywheel. I also have a twm stage 2 full replacement short throw assembly with solid base bushings along with cable bushings. Im getting vibration no matter what with this set up.
EXACTLY, its there for a reason. that's why there are weights on tires and even drive shafts. hence y i made the joke to remove wheel weights you remove it you get vibrations and inadequate shifting but did you ever think you fall under the TSB category and just need the 3rd gear set
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i think the only real reason to grind this off is so that it doesnt hit the cai,
o/w leave it alone
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EXACTLY, its there for a reason. that's why there are weights on tires and even drive shafts. hence y i made the joke to remove wheel weights you remove it you get vibrations and inadequate shifting but did you ever think you fall under the TSB category and just need the 3rd gear set
The vibration is so minimal that if I wasn't present when my buddy cut it off I would never have noticed a difference. That's a big difference then driving with a wheel out of balance. I removed mine as it was hitting the piping for a scoop we made that is in front bumper. The piping goes up to the heat shield on my k&n intake. I couldn't get into 1,3,5 gear as the weight was hitting. I took a chance and we cut it off. Better shifting was a bonus is all, not the original intent. I just was giving a heads up that I did this and noticed better shifting as a result. I did it back in august so it's been 6 months with no noticable side effects or issues.
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Thabks for all the replies guys, I'm going to flush to trans fluid out first with Honda green label and then see if I still get 1st gear pop out. I do notice when driving in 1st or 2nd there is alot of movement in the shifter....which gave me the conclusion that the weight is cause it to move my cables. I alread have motor mounts and my cabin feels like an earthquake....so I eliminated the idea that my mounts are bad
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the problem is a damaged gear, you need to fix that
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the problem is a damaged gear, you need to fix that
Well obviously I'm not gonna do that cuz I don't know thats its a damaged gear yet. Many people have bad pop outs do to bad mounts, old fluid, etc...
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I guess I don't know anything about building transmissions, only do a couple a month....
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I guess I don't know anything about building transmissions, only do a couple a month....
And thats why you tell me to fix the whole damn thing, so you can make money Come on guys....who jumps to conclusions when repairing things? It's like saying go buy a whole new door just cuz the window doesn't roll up. Obviously YOU should recommend repairing the obvious things first instead of promoting expensive and possibly stupid acts
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lol, how would I make money from you unless you send it to me to get fixed. I was telling what you need to do to fix it but it is clear you think you are right and want to go down the bandaid road and only increasing the cost later. but again, I guess I don't know what I am talking about after 9 years of doing this.
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looks like leovan2007 is off to a great start. k20a2 isnt a god leo, but he is very knowledgable on motorsports, as is alot of members on here. If you can back off getting defensive/offensive on help, you might be able to learn more than you already knew. From an open mind, I see what your saying, and makes since. What everyone else is saying, vibration in shifter transfers to tranny, which is bad. LOL, kinda like this...Sex with an amazingly hot chick with crabs might be good while it last, but its gonna be bad when it hits ya. Not saying your tranny has 'crabs' haha cant believe I made that analogy...but the whatifs are there and its very costly to gamble unless you have means to fix it.
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On another note, Chris, if there is vibration in shifter after the weight is removed, would that not infer that there was always vibration in transmission, and the weight just absorbs it so as not to be in shfiter? Prob why they go out so easy, wonder if there are means people are trying to lessen vibration within transmission? Reason why I say, is cause shifter cables and shifter is stationary in a since, and transmission rotates giving it more chances to be out of balance and vibrate as oppose shifter cables and shifter.
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to be honest, I don't know what removing it does. I know that Honda has a lot of very smart people working for them and they put it there. It might be just for vibration and it might have another purpose. I would like to see how it differs with and without over the course of the same amount of miles.
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On another note, Chris, if there is vibration in shifter after the weight is removed, would that not infer that there was always vibration in transmission, and the weight just absorbs it so as not to be in shfiter? Prob why they go out so easy, wonder if there are means people are trying to lessen vibration within transmission? Reason why I say, is cause shifter cables and shifter is stationary in a since, and transmission rotates giving it more chances to be out of balance and vibrate as oppose shifter cables and shifter.
that is my point exactly. I think the weight is there so everyday average joe gets a nice, quiet, vibration free driving experience. For most of us who drive aggressive mostly it's nbd to have SLIGHT vibration. The weight also assists with shifts as it creates momentum. Most drive with authority so there is no need for help. I'm just saying I noticed more direct shifts with no grinding into second at high rpm's and no eagerness to pop out of third. I made many changes so I can't say for certain what caused what. When I cut weight off I had oem clutch, mounts,bushings. I just switched to gm synchromesh at that time. Since I have upgraded clutch,flywheel,mounts, short throw full replacement assembly, and base/cable bushings. I again was just letting everyone know I removed the weight with no APPARENT issues. I may have to make a thread down the road regretting doing it, who knows. As of now its been 6 months with no increase or decrease in issues.
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Ill look for my junk tranny parts, if I have one, I will give it a try to experiment with. My trannies dont last long anyways, so no biggie. But Im not gonna cut this off without a backup shifter mech. Also, when experimenting with something, only make 1 change to see, not many, if you made many, then it shouldnt count, cause you dont know what exactly did it.
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