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Old 07-29-2010, 05:16 AM   #1
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MTEC Shifter springs: Chota endorsed, so you know this shit is epic.

Let's just get this out of the way...







If you don't want to end up being a ricer (like shown above), you're going to need these springs. Nothing is worse than grinding 2nd gear, hitting that stupid 3rd gear wall, or just straight up botching a shift and ending up driving in reverse, giving the finger to your bro, with the top down. Forget that shit.

On a serious note (because I hate ricers, as it's my job), I've installed these on my weekend/race car toy and all I can say is amazing things.

But a few things to honestly consider before my input on the springs themselves:

1) The ability to clock a fast sector/lap time is not just dependent on how well the car is setup but how well the driver can drive. One main thing people forget to address is driver interface.

If the car doesn't give good feedback to the driver, it makes it that much harder to clock a fast time. It doesn't matter how fast the car is, if no one can drive it at 100%, it might as well be not as highly tuned, (the performance potential is wasted). MANY things contribute to driver interface and this is one of the main ones.


2) Overall positive driving feel is the main reason car enthusiasts like to drive cars. A lot of the time, race cars are miserable to drive and are only built for the sole purpose of competing and lap times. A faster car isn't necessarily more fun to drive, at a certain point it becomes more of a pain to live with. Often times, a slow car is fun to drive (if you know what you're doing) just because it has good feel.

A good example would be the S2000. It's definitely not the fastest thing on four wheels but it just feels so damn good to drive. Everything about the car is great, including the driver interface and the damn shifter is probably one of the best in the industry. It has won many awards and best motoring still claims it to be the most fun to drive production car, much more fun than cars with a lot more power/speed.

The point is, is that the driving FEEL is the MAIN reason the S2000 receives such high acclaims and these springs improve the FEEL of the car bringing similar positive feedback to the driver which doesn't necessarily mean the car is faster (even though you can drive it better, which does make it faster) but the overall driving pleasure is improved making it more enjoyable on a winding road or just cruising around.


Moving on from the whole philosophical aspect of things and back to the actual springs...


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Please check out the manufacture's website above for pictures, DIY install and other information on the springs.

1) The springs are installed on the shifter assembly located inside the transaxle. The transaxle does not need to be dropped to install the springs, the install can be easily performed with it in the car. All that is required is simple hand tools, Hondabond and a firm grasp of basic automotive servicing.

2) The springs influence the lateral location and feel of the shifter. Meaning as you move it left and right, the stiffer springs resist the normal motion more than the factory springs.

Overall change in feel are as follows:

Driver knowledge of which gear the shifter has selected is more acute. When selecting gears like 1st, 2nd, 5th (and 6th, if you're cool like me), the shifter requires more effort than stock which means the driver is more aware of which gear is selected. When selecting gears like 3rd or 4th, the shifter jumps towards it's center position (as it normally would) but with more force.

Again, this gives the driver better feel as for what gear they have selected and better feel for what gear they WANT to select and the hand motion required to select that gear quickly, precisely and with zero fuss.

Side benefits to this are:

-Much less chance of a miss-shift
-More manly (Chuck Norris has these in his trans).
-The precision given in shift feel helps reduce gear grind, wallage, reverse-finger-flippin-top-down-FF action we all love to hate.
-Just feels effing good.

I've had the pleasure of testing BOTH versions (yes...I'm really that special) and have had good results with both.

Sport Springs - These springs I feel should have been the OEM equipment from Honda. The springs offer a slightly more rigid shifter re-centering action than stock but nothing overbearing. Benefits mentioned above are there, nothing super dramatic or ridiculous but they're there and noticeable. If you don't do any type of motor-sport with your car (drag racing, circuit or auto-x), this might be a better option for you unless you want more manly, then the race springs are the way to go.

Race Springs - I preferred these springs a lot more. Much more of a noticeable change over stock, to me, it was NOT overbearing or too fatiguing, the perfect balance in my honest opinion. I don't daily the car, it is a track monster/weekend sexy beast. I do feel that if I were to daily the car, I would still end up with the race springs. With how affordable they are, it's not the end of the world if you end up switching to another rate anyways. The race springs though were clearly the ones for me.

Side note - I have lots of other shifter mods, including a different shifter assembly (P-Spec shifter vs OEM or some other brand) but the overall driving feel and changes I felt should be consistent regardless of what shifter you're using.

I can not say if the springs alone will make a dramatic change in 2nd gear grinds or 3rd gear wallage and other ricer drama but it can't hurt!

Side note #2 - Everyone complains the K-series trans isn't as good as older Honda transaxles and that there's constant gear grinds and other problems associated with the design of the trans itself. The problem is not so much the transaxle but again, the interface. By making the shifter more precise, the gear selection is improved to the point where there are zero issues.

I want to make this clear for anyone who is interested in the springs...with my P-Spec shifter I had ZERO problems with the notorious 2nd gear grind, 3rd gear wall, etc. The metal spherical used at the base of the shifter and the metal retainer made it so much more precise that it just fixed any issues I ever had with the trans. The springs definitely improve the feel and precision of the shifter as well but seeing how I installed these after I put on my P-spec shifter, I can't say if they will help as much as reducing gear shifting issues commonly related to the k-series transaxle. I still HIGHLY recommend these springs (especially for the price) and if you are going to run ANY shifter BESIDES OEM, make sure you invest in a P-SPEC shifter, I know, I know, it's not cheap, but I've tried basically everything out there and your mom, you've seen how analytical I am about this shit, it's just the best ten fold. Chris REALLY needs to carry it in the store, you get what you pay for and you definitely get a great shifter.


Summation:

-MTEC springs + w/e shifter you have = Epic
-P-spec shifter = Epic
-MTEC springs + P-spec shifter = winning combo, I've tried it all, take it from me...my race car is the definition of driving perfection.
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Nice review!

I originally purchased the sport spring (haven't installed it yet)... After reading this, I think I'll buy the race

PSPEC + RACE SPRING + PPG Trans = should be badass!
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It would have been better to put the smoking crab instead of those guys. I thought it was gay porn spam at first. The crab is interesting.
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But - are these springs any better than the beefier (shit, I'm afraid to use that word in this thread) springs Alex (I think it's Alex) sells for the interior shift box?

Surely those are much easier to replace.
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What interior springs are you talking about. There are none inside the car.

For this, you just bolt the whole change lever assembly and lift it out.
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The crab was fine. It can only go downhill, so that's enough. Let's not whore out this thread any further.

I'm going to let it stand for now, then clean out all our off-topic remarks and pics once the TS logs back in, sees what he caused, then (hopefully...) edits the post.
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What interior springs are you talking about. There are none inside the car.

For this, you just bolt the whole change lever assembly and lift it out.
There are some springs in the interior shift box - I swear I saw them when I installed my PSPEC.

Unless I'm losing my mind - those pics might have caused some brain damage.
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There are some springs in the interior shift box - I swear I saw them when I installed my PSPEC.

Unless I'm losing my mind - those pics might have caused some brain damage.
I've got the PSPEC also and I don't remember seeing any springs

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think pretty highly of yourself, don't you?
Don't ruin the thread, Paul, it's called having a sense of humor.

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those introductory pics are really freaking creepy too
I was thinking of putting little asian baby pics up for you but figured other people would view the thread.

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I almost binned this thread because I thought it was spam or trolling when I clicked on it and the first thing that popped up was those pics.
Pics are for the lulz, if people read the thread it would make sense.

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It would have been better to put the smoking crab instead of those guys. I thought it was gay porn spam at first. The crab is interesting.
Is no one seeing the Fast/Furious ricer connection in the pictures? Did people not go to the movies years ago?

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But - are these springs any better than the beefier (shit, I'm afraid to use that word in this thread) springs Alex (I think it's Alex) sells for the interior shift box?

Surely those are much easier to replace.
Alex springs are exactly the same type of product as these, they go in the trans and the race ones are probably about the same stiffness.

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Troof.

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The crab was fine. It can only go downhill, so that's enough. Let's not whore out this thread any further.

I'm going to let it stand for now, then clean out all our off-topic remarks and pics once the TS logs back in, sees what he caused, then (hopefully...) edits the post.
LOL, CRSX almost crashed. Lmk what you want, I can sub in the pictures for something else for the lulz, didn't think everyone would be so paranoid about FF coming back to haunt them. If you want to delete everyones' posts, that's fine by me, I hate to see non-sense about insecurities clutter a thread about a good product.

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There are some springs in the interior shift box - I swear I saw them when I installed my PSPEC.

Unless I'm losing my mind - those pics might have caused some brain damage.
Don't blame me for your old age related drama.
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Couldn't get through the first post... just reeks too much of a paid infomercial, whether it is or not. Billy Mays would be proud.
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What interior springs are you talking about. There are none inside the car.

For this, you just bolt the whole change lever assembly and lift it out.

The one I was talking about, was the centering return spring on the driver side of the shifter assembly. But I have been Schooled by Chota wisdom... next time you pop off your center console, look down and you'll see what I'm talking about. Alot of the shifter slop comes into play with that pivot piece/weak sauce return spring, I'll get a pic in the morning to show you exactly what I'm talking about.
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The one I was talking about, was the centering return spring on the driver side of the shifter assembly. But I have been Schooled by Chota wisdom... next time you pop off your center console, look down and you'll see what I'm talking about. Alot of the shifter slop comes into play with that pivot piece/weak sauce return spring, I'll get a pic in the morning to show you exactly what I'm talking about.
thank you - I am not losing my mind after all

well, at least not on that item
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IIRC, they are very small and not available separately.

I always thought it made more sense to beef them up rather than the ones at the transmission.

I suppose either/both would do the trick.
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