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Old 10-11-2013, 01:44 PM   #1
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Feedback and suggestions on new audio setup

I've owned my 2006 RSX Type S since it was new. In 2007, I upgraded to a double DIN Pioneer navigation unit and Pioneer front speakers. I did just enough research to make a decision at the time.

Now it's 6 years later and I want to upgrade to something more modern. I want to go back to a single DIN headunit, new front speakers and a small amp. My goals are to have excellent Bluetooth functionality for music playback and fairly accurate sound. I play my music at a volume that is not loud enough to drown out the noise of traffic, so loudness is not a priority.

I went to a reputable stereo shop (according to Yelp) and here's what the owner recommended:

- Alpine UTE-42BT headunit
- Alpine KTP-445 mini amp
- 4x Alpine Type S speakers

He quoted $750 installed.

Consensus on these forums is that the rear speakers are not worth upgrading - $100 saved.

I also read that bypassing the factory Bose amp is necessary, which makes me curious how the shop that installed the Pioneer nav unit did it. Is it possible to use the Bose subwoofer with aftermarket amps?

I'd appreciate any feedback or suggestions from those who have more expertise and knowledge than me. Thanks!
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Old 10-11-2013, 06:25 PM   #2
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I guess it's not bad at 750, but those aren't products i would install.

The ute 42bt is pretty featureless from an SQ standpoint. Only 3 bands of EQ, no crossovers, no time alignment. Common and nessesary features in any build meant for 100% music listening.

Alpine KTP-445 Mini amp is complete crap. It's a plug-n-play unit, so it makes install a breeze, but it may offer a 10% difference vs the internal amp on the headunit..which should never be used, btw.

Alpine type s speakers may be 20% better than the stock paper cones they'll be replacing. Budget installs are possible if the right items are picked out.

If you do this yourself, you'll save a ton of $$$$.

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eggyhustles, appreciate the honesty. Now what would you recommend based on my needs? I don't need to, or want to, go crazy overboard with this.
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Old 10-12-2013, 08:46 PM   #4
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I just rode in my friend's S2000 (not a car with an ideal listening environment) with a full JL system and Pioneer headunit and it sounded GREAT. He is able to get 50% off JL stuff so he went nuts.

So here's the set up I think I'm going to go with:
- Pioneer DEH-X6600BT
- JL C2-600x
- JL JX360/2

Is it possible to integrate the Bose sub into this system?

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Old 10-12-2013, 09:55 PM   #5
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I dont know too much about audio systems but I can say I have the Pioneer DEH-x6400BT and I am satisfied the bluetooth function it has, sounds good. Also gave my stock speakers a pick me up, makes me want louder speakers

I am a wiring noob but install of HU was a breeze. My only complaint with a single DIN is the rattle of the metra dash kit after I installed ESMMs. I cant seem to get rid of it.
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My suggestion, save up and get a proper setup. Also, go Kenwood with the head unit.
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My suggestion, save up and get a proper setup. Also, go Kenwood with the head unit.
"Proper" is all in the eye of the beholder. What you consider proper may be overkill for my needs. Also, I have plenty saved up I just don't want to exceed a self-imposed budget.

Can you describe the benefits of a Kenwood headunit versus Pioneer?
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What is the absolute most you're willing to spend?
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what is the absolute most you're willing to spend?
$1000.

Also, you should know that at home, which is my normal listening environment, I have a decent home theater and music set up. I have an idea of what "really good" sounds like - that's not a requirement for my daily driver
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Does that include install?
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Hopefully.
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"Proper" is all in the eye of the beholder. What you consider proper may be overkill for my needs. Also, I have plenty saved up I just don't want to exceed a self-imposed budget.

Can you describe the benefits of a Kenwood headunit versus Pioneer?
I personally don't like pioneer, never have. When Eclipse bowed out, i went Kenwood and never had a reason to stray. I'm actually installing a Kenwood kiv701 in my type s soon
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I personally don't like pioneer, never have. When Eclipse bowed out, i went Kenwood and never had a reason to stray. I'm actually installing a Kenwood kiv701 in my type s soon
Appreciate the response, but anecdotes like that aren't helpful. If you could describe - in detail - why you prefer Kenwood and not Pioneer, that would be helpful. Otherwise, I'd like to hear from others who have more experience and expertise.
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http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...ion-CZ702.html

Clarion CZ702

Has ipod control
3 5v preouts
5 band eq
time alignment
crossovers
bluetooth

Zapco ZSL Shallow components
http://www.ebay.com/itm/140920791577

PPi p600.2

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Precision-Po...item53fec48a20
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http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...ion-CZ702.html

Clarion CZ702

Has ipod control
3 5v preouts
5 band eq
time alignment
crossovers
bluetooth

Zapco ZSL Shallow components
http://www.ebay.com/itm/140920791577

PPi p600.2

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Precision-Po...item53fec48a20
Thanks for the recommendation! Will I be able to utilize the stock subwoofer with this setup or is that dead weight with an aftermarket stereo system?

Also, how does your recommendation compare to the JL setup mentioned above?
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To be 100%, not sure. I've always ripped out all the stock stuff.

Compared to the JL setup, yours will be better if installed properly.

You have a better headunit, better speakers with a dedicated tweet and crossovers, and a much better amp with a lot more power.
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Pretty decent, Definitely stay away from Alpine these days as far a SQ is concerned with HU's except the 147/148/149's with the tune it app although I have heard some stories of them locking them up. The Clarion is one of the most underrated HU's out there and better than many unit priced 100 dollars higher.

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http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...ion-CZ702.html

Clarion CZ702

Has ipod control
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5 band eq
time alignment
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Zapco ZSL Shallow components
http://www.ebay.com/itm/140920791577

PPi p600.2

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A few more questions for you guys:

- What's the hardware that's included with the tweeters and woofers? Are those the crossovers? (Newb question: answer is 'yes' :P)
- Should the tweeters go where the stock tweeters are? (under the dashboard)
- Is the best position for the amp under the passenger seat?

I wish I had consulted you guys for my S2000 setup. Thanks again.

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A few more questions for you guys:

- What's the hardware that's included with the tweeters and woofers? Are those the crossovers? (Newb question: answer is 'yes' :P)
- Should the tweeters go where the stock tweeters are? (under the dashboard)
- Is the best position for the amp under the passenger seat?

I wish I had consulted you guys for my S2000 setup. Thanks again.
tweeters depends on your setup, silk/fabric dome tweets can do decent in the stock location with time alignment, metal domes no way imho as they tend to be harsher to begin with. Best place is usually as close to the midrange as possible.

Amp, depends on the amp if it will fit there over 2 inches in height probably not. up until a few years ago very few newer amps would fit as the height on them was to great, some old school ones would fit but most current amps were all to high, now units like the ppi ion, phantom and black ice units and the Soundstream tarantula and picasso nano's have given a bunch of units that are small, have SQ, and decent prices that will fit.
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Locotony, the height of the PPI amp is exactly 2", according to SonicElectronix's website.

I purchased the equipment that eggyhustles suggested and will be getting it installed later this week. Thanks again for all the advice and knowledge.
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So my installer put everything in today and the only issue he ran into is a hissing sound coming from the head unit. At low volume (1-4), I can hear a hiss but as it gets to listening volume, the music completely drowns it out. It seems like it is only come from the rear speakers, which are connected to the head unit. The fronts are connected to the amp.

I found reports of other people having a similar issue. Should I attempt to return it or is there something I can do to minimize or eliminate it?

Edit: I should mention that the installer made sure everything was grounded properly and tried to use a filter. Sonic Electronix has a good return policy so I'm debating whether I should exchange it for an identical unit or try a different brand.

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Just kill the rear speakers, they are unnecessary and a detriment to good SQ.

Reason they may be hissing vs the rest of the setup would be the difference in signal levels between the built in amp of the HU vs the Amp driving the comps as external amps via the rcas are going to have a lower s/n ration and noise floor than the ones built into a HU.
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Locotony, thanks for the advice. I have an appointment tomorrow to get the rear speakers disconnected.

While I was familiarizing myself with the head unit today, I came across two annoyances. First, I was trying to update the firmware according to Clarion's website. Seems pretty straightforward. The MPEG update worked, but the MCU and BT software update failed. When I loaded the MCU software update, the head unit reset itself after a few minutes. With the BT update, it would get stuck on loading the first file and I would have to reset the head unit to get it working again.

Secondly, according to Clarion's manual (screenshot below), I should set my speakers to 2-way because I have tweeters and front speakers, but no subwoofer. When I choose that setting, sour only comes from the tweeters. But when I choose "Normal", it seems to sound fine.

Has anyone experienced either of these issues before?

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That headunit has active crossovers.

So, instead of that little box that came with your speakers, you can set everything internally via the unit.

Leave it as normal since you already have a crossover implemented.

When you control everything electronically as the headunit lets you, it's called "active"

The way you have it setup with the little box, that would be called passive.
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I have a pionner head unit and love it dubble din. Blue tooth eq ect. JL also makes a ported box with a 8w3 and it is an awsome little monster. Cant go wrong with JL audio. I havent replaced my mids but im thinking about Polk.
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