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Old 07-31-2006, 02:36 PM   #151
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I put the standard mount kit in WITH the front mount and there is definitely vibrations when the A/C is on. Also, they can be installed without dropping the subframe but trying to get the front and the rear in is incredibly difficult.

Also, the front mount DEFINITELY has some fitment issues in that it doesn't sit flush up against the chassis like the old mount did which creates problems with trying to bolt it in. The mounts are good and it is definitely better than having broken mounts. Very solid and the mounts look very high quality. Since the bushings on the mount stick out a bit, it requires some playing with the mounts and moving the engine to get the bolt to line up.

So far I'm happy with them but also alittle disappointed since I have to drop the subframe to get one bolt in the front.
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Old 07-31-2006, 03:51 PM   #152
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yea well i used a 5foot metal bar to get my rear mount to line up so i think the front might be easier lol

There is vibration with the AC on but its like the ESMM with no accesories on i think
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Old 07-31-2006, 08:08 PM   #153
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I have in Innovative MM and they are real nice, the only time I have vibs are when I have the AC on. Other then that it feels nice and solid
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Old 07-31-2006, 08:13 PM   #154
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after a week or 2 they do get softer, my gf used to complain with the ESMM but now nothing, ive had people sit in my car and say they dont feel a dam thing...now the thing is i dont have the front mount and my front one is torn..unfortunatly due to some financial family issues im selling my N+ coilovers and not buying a front mount...just trying to help my family out
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Old 07-31-2006, 08:16 PM   #155
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After reading all the install posts I was a little nervous to tackle the mounts. I have no idea what was hard about the rear. I had more problems with the tranny mount. Install took maybe 45 mins without a lift and a little help from my brother (He did the rear mount cuz I didnt wanna crawl on the ground). I kept asking him if he could do it and he laughed at me. Remove the exhaust pipe from the manifold to give clearance for the long center bolt. That was the hardest part because he was tired.
I just want everyone to know If you can install a cold air intake, you can install these mounts. It's easier with a friend to help when your tired of turning the wrench.
The vibration lessens dramatically after about 200-300 miles. Worth every penny!!!
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Old 07-31-2006, 08:19 PM   #156
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Where were these when my passenger engine mount broke, i had to go mugen because it was the cheapest alternative than others!
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Old 07-31-2006, 08:59 PM   #157
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So I take it the general consensus is that the innovative mounts do NOT vibrate as much as ESMMs?
They do not. With A/C it is still a little shaky though.
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Old 07-31-2006, 09:01 PM   #158
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My steering wheel shakes a tiny bit but i put it on and wait in line at wendys without it bothering me, the only bad part when i had the ESMM was that (i personally think that they shaked to much) recently both of my window regulator bolts came out on my passenger side and the window almost fell down and broke (probably to much shaking 2yrs ago with my ESMM that one fell and the other one just ended up letting go this yr lol idk just my theory
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Old 08-01-2006, 05:54 AM   #159
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So pretty much the Innovative street kit is easier on the butt than ESMMs? bluej511's the only one to say so so far...anyone else agree? My gf's always uncomfortable in my car cuz of the ESMMs so even if it costs $300 to make it more comfy it'll be worth it.
ok are you not reading my posts 2 or 3 of above here.....?

it'll be fine. your girl probably won't notice until you turn the AC on
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Old 08-01-2006, 08:11 AM   #160
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is ur front esmm still in?
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the rear mount for me went in easy but it is hard to adjust it to get all of the bolts in (at least with the subframe still in)
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Old 08-01-2006, 09:46 PM   #162
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yea rear was hard to line up all the bolts i used 3 pry bars and it went in perfect.
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Old 08-02-2006, 01:34 PM   #163
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the innovatives are going to be fine for you. the only times you will feel the vibrations are when the AC is on and when the car is stopped. The ESMM's vibrate all the time.
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i'm interested in just getting the passenger mount. is that possible?

i have ESMM+TD at the moment, autos cant get Enjos or replacement mounts for that matter. but i believe the passenger mount will work. is it harsher with it? right now, my idle is fine and its not as bad with ESMM alone.
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ESMM vibrate a lot more with ac on
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bluej- do you have the front mount from innovative? I was going to order a while back but now im wandering if its even worth the extra 100 or so, with the 3 innovatives and front esmm insert im thinking that should be more than enough for a decent all motor build (~230whp)
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Here are some pics of the Enjo mounts. Front and rears. I didn't foresee myself needing the tranny mount, but I do wish I had one of those top passenger mounts.

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People posted their concern about the structural integrity of the Innovative mounts. I posted the Enjo as a comparison, although the Hasport does look to be the strongest yet.
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Here are some pics of the Enjo mounts. Front and rears. I didn't foresee myself needing the tranny mount, but I do wish I had one of those top passenger mounts.

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People posted their concern about the structural integrity of the Innovative mounts. I posted the Enjo as a comparison, although the Hasport does look to be the strongest yet.
i have heard that to, but honestly, if u have seen and felt the innovatives in person...those enjo's look like crap.

also the reason the vibrations are less with the innovative's is b/c the polyurathane is tapered to the edge.
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Here are some pics of the Enjo mounts. Front and rears. I didn't foresee myself needing the tranny mount, but I do wish I had one of those top passenger mounts.

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People posted their concern about the structural integrity of the Innovative mounts. I posted the Enjo as a comparison, although the Hasport does look to be the strongest yet.
well the Hasports are what all of my drag friends use in their B-series swaps.

The innovatives are really well constructed (even if their fitment on the front isnt the greatest).
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hey did you manage to put your front mount on, and if so how are the vibes now, (do you have more vibes, or less?)

if you havent, is their anybody that does?
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i have heard that to, but honestly, if u have seen and felt the innovatives in person...those enjo's look like crap.

also the reason the vibrations are less with the innovative's is b/c the polyurathane is tapered to the edge.
Speculating that Enjo mm are crap is a matter of opinion. Enjos are made to be strong (700 hp cap rate) and in the end, that's all I want from a mm.
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so what about just getting the passenger-side mount alone?

i already have ESMM+TD
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Im thinking about buying these... The innovative street kit. However, i was a bit concerned about the strength of the rear mount... The design was discussed, and someone said that the OEM rear mount had a better design than these? Anyone really abuse 'em yet, just to see how they hold up?
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ive abused them, hell i launched off the rev limiter at least 10times the first day, i dont think there crap i think the enjos look like garbage compared to these and ive heard that those break as well
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i think the rear design is fine if you can really get it in there and fiddle with it with room for your tools. The design on the poly bushings are incredible and super thick compared to the stock mounts which is why it's harder to get them in place. I don't consider that a problem but if I did, it would be a good problem to have.
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