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Old 02-25-2019, 04:17 AM   #1
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DIY: Inner Tie Rod Removal / K-Tuned Upgrade

Decided to install some ktuned inner tie rods to correct toe issues I was having with being lowered.
The ktuned are adjustable inner tie rods meaning you can adjust the length to either bring your toe in or push it out getting your tires straight.
It is a common problem for people who lower their cars have toe problems and to compensate you would either need extended tie rod ends (Moog-ES2382) or shorter tie rods.
The solution to my problem was the latter.

This diy would always seem very daunting to me as every person I'd heard talk about it made it sound much harder than it actually is.
Plus, to make things more confusing a lot of the info on here is people mixing up the terms TIE ROD (inner tie rod) and TIE ROD END, so you end up being misguided on how to preform this diy.
All in all if you have some knowledge of how everything is put together before going at it the job is pretty basic.

So here's a diy with some helpful tips:

You may be able to do everything from the top but this is how I went about it.
I'm running a cold air intake so you may want to remove the stock air box to clear room up top.
My header is stock and I still have the heat shield so if you have a race header I believe you'd have even more room.
Unfortunately an inner tie rod tool (tube kind) such as the ones you can rent from you local auto parts store won't clear the gap from tie rod to steering bracket.
Fortunately once you bend the lock washers a crescent wrench with some leverage will do just the trick.
Remember that you can turn the steering wheel to move the steering bracket from side to side if you need a different angle at it.
If you're able to get your hands on a steering bracket riser (such as the 0857; fixes geometry of tie rod if you're slammed) this would be a great time to install it.

Tools I used:
Jack and jackstands
Crescent wrench
Ratchet
10, 12, 19 sockets and extensions
Small sledge hammer
Long pry bar or chisel
Needle nose pliers

and not necessary but to make things easier and faster I used pb blaster, an impact wrench and cordless ratchet.


1. Jack front end up. Place stands. Remove wheels. the obvious stuff..

2. To gain maximum clearance from under the car, remove the heat shield under the tie rods (four 10mm bolts) and the mid chassis brace (four 12mm bolts, two on each side).
The two upper bolts on the heat shield connect it to the mid chassis brace and I believe you only need to loosen the bottom bolts as the heat shield can then slide up and out.


3a. Bend lock washers (blue arrow) away from steering bracket.
There's 4 bends in total that need to be bent back, 2 on top and 2 on the bottom of each washer.
This is probably the hardest part of the diy; you need to find the right angle and use the right tools which will make it a lot easier.
I used a long pry bar and a small sledge hammer, wasn't pretty but got the job done. (3rd picture below)
The reason we need to do this is because there is a thin hex embossed on the nut of the tie rod beyond the the threads holding the washer in place. (4th picture below)

If you need new lock washers the part number is 53536-S5A-900 and I provided a link at the bottom of the diy.
*K-Tuned does supply new lock washers with their tie rods, so if you're upgrading like I was you'll be covered.







3b. Loosen both nuts (red arrow) on tie rods.
The nuts are 24mm, I used a pry bar against a crescent wrench to loosen them.
I'd recommend using a cheater bar that fits around the grip of the crescent wrench if available.
..Just want to clarify that both nuts are turned regular (left) to loosen as I saw some other posts stating otherwise.
You may want to spray some pb blaster on those nuts to make it a little easier on yourself.

4. Remove tie rod end.

if you're trying to use the same tie rod end on your new tie rods be sure to loosen the locking nut (clockwise, away from tie rod end) before popping tie rod end out of suspension.
pb blaster always helps.


mini diy on popping tie rod end.. as I'm sure there are plenty on here.
remove nut. (19mm)
flip nut. (install flush with end of threads)
bang nut. (with hammer)
done.

*if its been a while, you may mess up the threads this way. at this point I'd recommend a tie rod separator tool of some sort.


5. Remove tie rod assembly.

6a. All that's left is to do everything backwards and reinstall everything.
torque tie rod end to 40lbs as well at the tie rod if you are able to.

6b.Upon reinstallation, bend the lock washers around the steering bracket as they were before. (as seen on right lock washer below)

I did this again with the hammer and pry bar, came at it from the sides.

All done looking like a diamond in my dirty ass engine bay.



7. Go get yourself an alignment and enjoy being at whatever ride height you prefer and not destroying your tires!

sidenote:
I highly recommend you do a self alignment to get yourself to a professional alignment shop in which case I'd recommend watching this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awOMTYDptfk
follow instructions from about 10:35, and then head on over to an alignment shop.





Links to products and parts mentioned:
K-Tuned Inner Tie Rods:
http://k-tuned.3dcartstores.com/Inne...RSX_p_576.html
Moog-ES2382:
https://www.amazon.com/Moog-ES2382-T.../dp/B000C59VX0
(technically these are celica tie rods ends, they just happen to fit the dc5 threads and are longer than our tie rod ends.
Tie Rod Lock Washer (53536-S5A-900):
https://www.acuraoemparts.com/oem-pa...ZC1tYW51YWw%3D



Much of this info was obtained from these post:
https://forums.clubrsx.com/showthrea...389&highlight=
https://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=1003130


Should be all the info for the diy, if there is any concern regarding clarity feel feel to address it so I can make changes as needed.

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Old 02-25-2019, 04:21 AM   #2
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Short Review

Fixed the toe problem I was having and got rid of the slop in the steering that I didn't even know I had.
The K-tuned has a little more weight to it and feels more durable than oem.

Side by side comparisons of the OEM and K-Tuned tie rods:
Top is K-tuned shortest and bottom is longest



Contrary to what I read on a post the K-Tuned is adjustable to become not just shorter but longer as well!

Feels amazing! Got rid of all the play in my steering, couldn't recommend more!

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no problem, hope it helps!
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Best description of the lock tabs ever. lol.

Is the Hardrace set shortened the same as the Ktuned setup?
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Best description of the lock tabs ever. lol.

Is the Hardrace set shortened the same as the Ktuned setup?
this one correct?

http://www.buyhardrace.com/product/h...6-rsx_342.html

that one looks to be just a straight non adjustable replacement. would have been a little irritating to find out as they're less than half the price of the ktuned lol.
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I was looking at these https://www.kseriesparts.com/HDR-8521.html
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same thing. just a set that comes with the tie rod ends as well.
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same thing. just a set that comes with the tie rod ends as well.
Thanks! I know the pictures sometimes change and are hard as hell to judge so I wanted to ask someone who had the k-tuned set.
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That's pretty nice

I actually need a pair of them when spring is around to drop the car, how is the ride?
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That's pretty nice

I actually need a pair of them when spring is around to drop the car, how is the ride?
Tie rods got rid of all the play that was in the steering super stiff now!
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Mine doesn't really have any play at all right now. I'm debating if I even need to get new outers or not.
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Mine doesn't really have any play at all right now. I'm debating if I even need to get new outers or not.
What are you trying to fix?
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I need shorter tie rods to get my camber where it needs to be.
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I need shorter tie rods to get my camber where it needs to be.
I would just replace the inner's if the outers seem to be in good condition. Mine were fairly new so I just swapped them over.
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Best DIY. just picked up some K-Tuned inner and outer tie rods too. This will help! Thanks!
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Best DIY. just picked up some K-Tuned inner and outer tie rods too. This will help! Thanks!





sidenote: if you were taking your car to a normal alignment shop they may have a tough time figuring out how to adjust the tie rods. started at Firestone (which I usually go to because I have a lifetime alignment and they never had any problems before with them messing with my rsx with all it's modified suspension and requested camber specs because I'm cool with the girl who works the counter). However with the new tie rods, the guy legit tripped out and told me the tie rods weren't attached to the rack and recommended I get the car towed home. I was like wtf how do you think I got here lmao. Maybe he just didn't want to deal with it but I tried to explain to him how they worked but created an awkward scenario where I felt like he thought I was belittling him for not being knowledgeable of the tie rods and now I was doubting how he could even get the angle of the tie rods from underneath the car. Didn't want to deal with it since they technically aren't professionals in modified suspension alignments but on my way home decided to pass by a local Midas and since they were not busy I was able to fully explain the modification. they were also stumped for a minute but figured it out after a couple of minutes after looking over the suspension. also want to add that it was a little harder to explain to the "less than fluent in english" tech at the firestone where as the techs over at the midas were younger fluent speakers.

..and I'm off on a tangent, lol. long story short try a couple of shops if you have to.
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Do all lowered RSXs need the k-tuned inner tie bars, or just the super lowered ones? I have inverted end links and extended ball joints. Do I still need the k-tunes inners? Currently sitting on unaltered Fortune auto coil overs that are set as low as they go.
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Do all lowered RSXs need the k-tuned inner tie bars, or just the super lowered ones? I have inverted end links and extended ball joints. Do I still need the k-tunes inners? Currently sitting on unaltered Fortune auto coil overs that are set as low as they go.

Rsx's and ep3 afaik.

I'm lowered on godspeed coilovers 1 finger gap on stock wheels, which I believe is a 3 inch drop.

The tie rods are adjustable so it's great if you have to raise the car during winter

Also you need adjustable rear camber kits for the back too.
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