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Old 01-18-2005, 09:12 PM   #1
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well...? Anyone tried it? I might try it out. I would be able to hook it up and run it through the nitirous program on K-pro, right?
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Old 01-18-2005, 09:25 PM   #2
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sonny was running injection wasn't he? now he's on nitrous :P
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I have a 6 sheets of paper in front of me, all of them my fuel maps. I'm noting where to add and take away fuel.
This is the most work I've done at work EVER
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I was also considering that option, it's a lot cheaper than nitrous.
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they did it on an 03 cobra and got 90 more rwhp out of it.
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a member on this board used it with turbo and I think he got over 300whp out of it with a bit over 8psi of boost.
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Wait.. I don't understand this concept. You cannot combust water, so are you using it for cooling? Anyone have any links so I can read up on it before I start asking dumb questions?
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yea fer cooling. water is a great heat absorber.
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Old 01-19-2005, 10:42 AM   #8
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water/methanol being spray as mist. Since energy can't be create or destroy, the heat in the combustion chamber have to escape to somewhere. That heat would diffuse through the cylinder walls and out to the exhaust. In this case, that heat would vaporize the water. You now will have more oxygen in the cylinder and the temp also drop. The boost will also go up a bit since you have more oxygen.
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well...? Anyone tried it? I might try it out. I would be able to hook it up and run it through the nitirous program on K-pro, right?
Methanol is a high octane fuel. It may enable you to increase the ignition timing as the car will be less likely to knock.

Using the Nitrous control panel you would add timing and subtract fuel.
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With the amount of methanol you're talking about for water injection, I don't think you would need to take any fuel out.
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I guess i will be the first tring this on a JRSC RSX. Anyone know where to find good kits? I was also thinking about just making one.
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I made mine -- it wasn't too difficult. I'll try and find the site that gives a good outline for how to do it. I changed several things, but it's the same basic concept. I used the TEC3 to cut it on, but you could use the Hobbs switch that he talks about -- that's how we did it on my friend's RX7. Good luck!
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http://members.cox.net/stevemonroe/AlcoholInjMod.html

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Methanol is a high octane fuel. It may enable you to increase the ignition timing as the car will be less likely to knock.

Using the Nitrous control panel you would add timing and subtract fuel.
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Can I use it , with a jrsc, .I am running 9 psi now and 550 inyectors.
You mean add methanol instead water or both?An then make the settings with the k-pro???

How many hp can i get????:
Can i use it all the time??.

Thanks in advance
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Methanol is a high octane fuel. It may enable you to increase the ignition timing as the car will be less likely to knock.

Using the Nitrous control panel you would add timing and subtract fuel.

you don't take out fuel, you NEED TO ADD fuel to begin with. Water/methanol will cause the a/f ratio to be lean. It is recommended by a lot of people to tune your a/f to be 12.0 before adding water/methanol. Your a/f afterward will be aroud high 12.
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It doesn't help that methanol is stoich at 6.4:1 instead of 14.7:1 like gas. Anytime you add it, it's gonna be leaner. Just make sure you know methanol though. It has a tendency to eat rubber things and when it burns, you can't see the flame. Happy tuning!
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well...? Anyone tried it? I might try it out. I would be able to hook it up and run it through the nitirous program on K-pro, right?
Hondata will help you program this, i think
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bump, would love to hear more about this if anyone has anything to contribute to the discussion. I have heard of the snowperformance kit working pretty good with s/c ford focuses (foci?)... its around $300, seems like you may be able to install a second window wiper tank on the opposite side of ours to house the mix...
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I guess I will bring this topic back alive. My friend got one with his supercharger and seems to have a good result. I wonder what will this thing do to NA car. Any one have any ideas? And how many % ratio does the mixture have to be? Since our car runs pretty hot, cooling it down will do wonders
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I guess I will bring this topic back alive. My friend got one with his supercharger and seems to have a good result. I wonder what will this thing do to NA car. Any one have any ideas? And how many % ratio does the mixture have to be? Since our car runs pretty hot, cooling it down will do wonders
Did he dyno before hand?? then afterward?? How much WHP doesn he think he picked up??
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Old 08-12-2005, 06:13 PM   #21
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no idea.. he probably needs to dyno tune it. right now, I am just going by what he say. The concept sounds pretty good though.
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Old 08-12-2005, 06:19 PM   #22
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the only thing im shakey is that methanol can and will eat up your internals - it eats up anything it touches. I have been debating a water injection kit if JR doesnt come out with any progress on a colling system i just might take that road
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is methanol the samething as ethanol? Does it do the same damage? Becase it is possible to mix ethanol too I think.
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www.snowperformance.net

Good site..Has Injection kits.

Im also thinking about this. Cause it helps w/ detonation. Im running a 11:5:1 Compression Ratio and when I boost up to 9 lbs Im gonna need a away to keep my air cool @ high RPMS
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